Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

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First thing; Zuko is a teenager, that seems more better than putting a beard with loose hair. I mean, he's a "renegade" in S2.
Second thing... at this point i don't care about Lily's opinion, but i really dislike when this piece of shit trashtalk about a well-written character.
Well, about the tropes thing... i'm sure not all the world is trying to find the archetypes below the characters, only fuckheads like Lily and that furry generic name Tumblr account.
 
I'd ask if she knows what the topknot signifies and why it was hard for Zuko and Iroh to lose theirs, but that's getting into Japanese traditions so she obviously wouldn't care.
Well, why asking if she hates Japanese culture? Not even being ignorant, is utterly non-sense hate.
That's the entire irony in this situation.
 
I'd ask if she knows what the topknot signifies and why it was hard for Zuko and Iroh to lose theirs, but that's getting into Japanese traditions so she obviously wouldn't care.
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She heard you.
 
I'd ask if she knows what the topknot signifies and why it was hard for Zuko and Iroh to lose theirs, but that's getting into Japanese traditions so she obviously wouldn't care.
Nah, that's just "Weeb Trash" to her. Anything culturally significant that is represented in anime in any capacity automatically becomes such in her mind. It's almost as if she has a well-established and documented bias against Eastern Culture . . .

Also, yeah, Lily totally doesn't come lurk here every so often. It's just a complete and total coincidence that within hours/days of something being brought up here she happens to get an Anon message with the exact same terminology used on here that she viscerally tries to tear down. Puuuuuuuuure coincidence...
 
Just because some showrunners are flithy weebs doesn't mean they've suddenly stolen a bad trope.
Oh Lily, you sweet little piece of shit child.
I'm not even a weeb and know some things about Asian culture because at least in games and a little google search they can explain near all the symbolisms.
I'm sure even Kingdom Hearts, that saga Lily loves a lot had his own symbolisms because asian devs in general loves them.
Near all piece of art, in form of movies, novels, videogames, paints, etc; have his own interpretations.
You see that? She's missing the point, all the time.
 

Hey fuckface? You know that almost every aspect of every culture in Avatar has very specific real world inspirations and that much of the series is 1 to 1 with a lot of their beliefs and history? So that when you go around saying that the Chinese inspired Fire Nation's significance of removing your hair is stupid because "other cultures do that too" you do realize you're sort of being culturally insensitive by not acknowledging how these things have different implications and that you're disparaging a POC culture's traditions simply to take a dig at people which kiiiiiiiiiiinda makes you come off as racist? Because the attitude you're giving off is akin to "if it doesn't matter to me then it doesn't matter" despite the fact that you as an individual has made a bitchfest and a half about your own hair?
 
Tropes are tools.

While we're at a point where certain people intentionally dig through TVTropes to find a trope they like and incorporate it into a character, the reason that tropes exist is because they're storytelling conventions with a long history in both verbal and visual communication. Zuko's haircut is actually relevant to the way his arc plays out because the changes to his character design are a visual shorthand to his character.

It's a fundamental part of good character design. Zuko's hair -- and clothing, and even posture -- changes throughout the show as a reflection of changes made to his character. You look at S1 Zuko and S3 Zuko and instantly be able to understand the broad strokes of his character development. Go back all the way to the early days of animation and look at the types of laws that Disney laid out to his animators to ensure that personality shines through; look at the way Renaissance artists would portray different Biblical figures and the kind of visual shorthand they would use to imply strength, righteousness, or vulnerability. Go back to the Ancient Greeks and look at the visual shorthand they would use. To the Ancient Egyptians.

Go back all through human history and expression through art. They obviously didn't have 'character design appeal' as a metric back then, but humans have always had particular expressions of aesthetics and an inborn knowledge of what those aesthetics mean. While certain cultures have previously valued different things, or currently have their own cultural preferences, there's a surprisingly universal design language and meaning that can be easily codified as a 'trope'.

The intent behind talking about these kinds of tropes is to explore the intent behind the design and why certain decisions were made, which can in turn inform the intent of the character. It's all part of visual language, it's all important. People follow it for good, historic reasons and not because they read it on a tropes page and thought it sounded cool; people break these presumed laws for good reason, too. People didn't decide to start doing things Because Trope, identifiable tropes evolved from common or even universal storytelling methodology.

(Although Lily probably jumps like this because she seems to write around tropes rather than her writing just being a reflection of cultural tropes. There's a reason she puts together whole trope lists for her characters. She probably assumes that -- since it's how she works -- everybody else must just scan TVTropes and say "this sounds good" and just shoehorn it into their work.)

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its like she heard you.

So... on the one hand, 'cultural appropriation' actually is a really stupid conclusion to reach. While it's definite important in Asian cultures, in the West, you can trace this straight back to Samson and Delilah. I'm sure that if you dug through ancient myth in multiple cultures you would find themes with similar importance.

I was actually 100% with Lily on that response until she decided that FILTHY WEEBS were involved and then, like, what the fuck is wrong with you, Lily? Why did you feel the need to do that? Why are you like this?
 
Archetypes and tropes were not created from scratch and people just started using them because they were popular and cool, every story created in any culture and time uses them without even realizing or knowing by name because writing always falls into patterns that evoke feelings, admiration, emotions and thoughts in the same beats because human experiences are universal

such is the case of the "hero's journey", Joseph Campbell didn't invent this in one afternoon and put it in a book for people to start using, he studied patterns in writing that date back to the "epic of Gilgamesh", just because he simplified the steps on his own understanding and given a name does not mean that there are no other interpretations and methods of applying a journey in a story.

Tropes is nothing more than narrative resources that tend to be repeated so much that to simplify the analysis, study and learning it is better to give names and descriptions that are easy to understand.

but Lily (and Sketchy) believe that archetypes are boxes that make characters look the same while ignoring the fact that they are nothing more than trough lines that make them possible to be analyzed and compare their executions, and it is in "execution" that Lily always fails in her writings.

She only goes against Tropes when they don't work in her favor or when we compare her characters with those who executed much better the ideas she wants to convey, so instead of improving she prefers to say that the whole method of analyzing media is wrong and everybody just repeat what stupid Youtubers say instead of repeating her stupid takes.

"reading between the lines" or "reading comprehension" for Lily is nothing more than a platitude she uses to appear more intellectual for inventing new contexts based on her projections and saying that her conclusion is the real correct interpretation.
 
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Since I'm pretty sure Lily has mentioned having a humiliation fetish, how often do you think they read this thread one handed?
i mean we know she does as she's kinda offhandedly mentioned us in her tumblr (and possible youtube/streams) before. But the idea that she does it in that sense.... fucking horrifying but lily's a degenerate so (disgustedly) not surprised.


i love how open she can be with her weird fetishes she hs yet with other ones the tip-toes around it even though they're just as blatantly obvious. She wants to fuck a gardevoir yet makes up conviluded rules and stories saying 'um well actually i cant because of [Made up reason she made up because making up excuses is what lily does best]'. even though its her narrative. could fuck G on page one as its her for fun fanfic. Made up stories a few times about scissoring neighbors who are now also sisters so yaaaay for incest kink too. Also her literally commissioning zoophilic art. not even anthropomorphized zoophilia. Yet she claims the artist made them on their own even tho lily paid double for them.


At this point its just pathetically sad how she tries to hide heir weird fetishes even tho anyone with half a braincess can tell, she likes fucking dogs/incest/ pedophilia and gardevoirs.
 
Tropes are tools.

While we're at a point where certain people intentionally dig through TVTropes to find a trope they like and incorporate it into a character, the reason that tropes exist is because they're storytelling conventions with a long history in both verbal and visual communication. Zuko's haircut is actually relevant to the way his arc plays out because the changes to his character design are a visual shorthand to his character.

It's a fundamental part of good character design. Zuko's hair -- and clothing, and even posture -- changes throughout the show as a reflection of changes made to his character. You look at S1 Zuko and S3 Zuko and instantly be able to understand the broad strokes of his character development. Go back all the way to the early days of animation and look at the types of laws that Disney laid out to his animators to ensure that personality shines through; look at the way Renaissance artists would portray different Biblical figures and the kind of visual shorthand they would use to imply strength, righteousness, or vulnerability. Go back to the Ancient Greeks and look at the visual shorthand they would use. To the Ancient Egyptians.

Go back all through human history and expression through art. They obviously didn't have 'character design appeal' as a metric back then, but humans have always had particular expressions of aesthetics and an inborn knowledge of what those aesthetics mean. While certain cultures have previously valued different things, or currently have their own cultural preferences, there's a surprisingly universal design language and meaning that can be easily codified as a 'trope'.

The intent behind talking about these kinds of tropes is to explore the intent behind the design and why certain decisions were made, which can in turn inform the intent of the character. It's all part of visual language, it's all important. People follow it for good, historic reasons and not because they read it on a tropes page and thought it sounded cool; people break these presumed laws for good reason, too. People didn't decide to start doing things Because Trope, identifiable tropes evolved from common or even universal storytelling methodology.

(Although Lily probably jumps like this because she seems to write around tropes rather than her writing just being a reflection of cultural tropes. There's a reason she puts together whole trope lists for her characters. She probably assumes that -- since it's how she works -- everybody else must just scan TVTropes and say "this sounds good" and just shoehorn it into their work.)



So... on the one hand, 'cultural appropriation' actually is a really stupid conclusion to reach. While it's definite important in Asian cultures, in the West, you can trace this straight back to Samson and Delilah. I'm sure that if you dug through ancient myth in multiple cultures you would find themes with similar importance.

I was actually 100% with Lily on that response until she decided that FILTHY WEEBS were involved and then, like, what the fuck is wrong with you, Lily? Why did you feel the need to do that? Why are you like this?
It's funny, because "tropes are tools" is supposed to be a call to not label tropes as "good" or "bad" and to approach writing patterns with a manner of objectivity, yet on the Tv Tropes discussion boards people constantly complain that they have to remove other people's personal gripes from the pages. Weirder still, Tv Tropes has things like the "Homophobia Index" where they link to tropes deemed "offensive", even though they state countless times that tropes entirely depend on how they're used.
Tv Tropes is a brain-eating amoeba.
 
Relatively unrelated to current discussion, but I find it interesting how Aliana is like a cheap, edgelord knock off of Kreia; while Lily claims Aliana is "TRUE" Sith. For someone who has claimed to play KOTOR, trying to come to the conclusion that the Dark Side is merely anger and passion is bullshit; especially since while Yuthura Ban explains the Dark Side as being based around "passion", she also expresses something... interesting. See, something Yuthura expresses is that she was once a slave who stabbed and escaped the service of her Hutt master, and soon took upon the Dark Side to gain the strength to fight and free other slaves that she lived among... only to find that the more she embraced the Dark Side, the further away she moved from her initial goal; the desire for power overtaking her; hence her attempt to become head of the Sith Academy.

As bad as Revenge of the Sith was, it reinforces the KOTOR games' thesis that the Dark Side is a corrupting influence; a power vaccuum in the force. The only ways to be a Dark Side user is to either attempt to lord over others or to become a pawn. There really isn't a way to just be "Dark Side" without succumbing to this power vaccuum, which is why Kreia tries to temper her usage of the Dark Side with that of the Light... and her personal convictions. Kreia believed that altruism for altruism's sake like a Jedi was weakness; but also that leeching unearned power from others like a Sith too was weakness. Manipulating others into helping themselves and drawing from one's own strength was her teaching; but Aliana is just an angry Jedi who can use Dark Side powers; at least from all things shown here.
 
Recorded Mega Man and script reading stream.
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This Stream was a gold mine of content. Thank you, Devil. :drink:

Lily telling people to stop calling her Mommy and saying Beetle will never be back on streams.

The new Glass of Water video spoiled early. Flubs and all. Nothing special.
Finished Product:
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Og Link: https://youtu.be/-R8a-0ZtS7U

Lily's calling down the thunder on our local robotic lucifer.
Having a stream archive for people to enjoy is tantamount to harassment.
She's also explaining why her voice is the way it is.
Our Feature Presentation:

Lily offers up a dramatic reading of the first chapter of The Sith Resurgence. I created a nice little audiobook splash panel for it.
For the first time ever, straight from the horse's mouth, we can see just how she intended it to sound.
https://archive.vn/nlNOo For anyone wanting to read along.

21:30 for a Lily gem.:stress:
 
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Lily offers up a dramatic reading of the first chapter of The Sith Resurgence. I created a nice little audiobook splash panel for it.
For the first time ever, straight from the horse's mouth, we can see just how she intended it to sound.
Is she awful at narrating or is The Sith Resurgence so poorly written that even she stammers trying to decode it?

Just kidding, we all know it's both.
 
This Stream was a gold mine of content. Thank you, Devil. :drink:
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Lily telling people to stop calling her Mommy and saying Beetle will never be back on streams.
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The new Glass of Water video spoiled early. Flubs and all. Nothing special.
Finished Product:
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Og Link: https://youtu.be/-R8a-0ZtS7U
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Lily's calling down the thunder on our local robotic lucifer.
Having a stream archive for people to enjoy is tantamount to harassment.
She's also explaining why her voice is the way it is.
Our Feature Presentation:
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Lily offers up a dramatic reading of the first chapter of The Sith Resurgence. I created a nice little audiobook splash panel for it.
For the first time ever, straight from the horse's mouth, we can see just how she intended it to sound.
https://archive.vn/nlNOo For anyone wanting to read along.

21:30 for a Lily gem.:stress:
I don't know why but just hearing him narrate for a little bit (skipped to the timestamp) just makes me so annoyed. It's at one point so monotone but on the other hand, it sounds like he's annoyed and bored by his own writing. Just me or?
 
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