Fallout series

[LORD IMPERATOR]

And it's not like it had any name recognition whatsoever. Most people were like 'Wait, there's been two of those games before?' and got super confused when they saw it was some isometric turn based shit from like a decade ago.

The game got hyped so much there was actual ads for it running on TV. It was basically all people were talking about that October in terms of video games.

Exactly. Prior to Fallout 3, whenever people spoke of Fallout, it was "that weird post-apocalypse game" that maybe someone's cousin played once on PC. Maybe you'd meet a console fan who thinks ill of the franchise after renting Brotherhood of Steel for one weekend. After Fallout 3, you had millions of Fallout fans up the ass. Down to the point where even celebrities like Matthew Perry would advertise the game, which was how he got the role of Benny for New Vegas. I also remember Conan advertising Fallout 4, and that game won a metric shit-ton of awards too.

Most gamers who played isometric games played Diablo. I knew people who loved isometric games in the 90s, they didn't give two squirts of shit about Fallout and instead, they were playing the crap out of Diablo 2. Unless you were a harcore RPG nerd, you wouldn't know of Fallout 1 or 2 at all, which makes Interplay's attempt to market it to edgelord teens who drink BAWLS and play action games via Brotherhood of Steel far more foolish than anything Bethesda has done.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Had a girlfriend introduce me to Fallout 2, and it was only because her brother was a weirdo metalhead and it was one of the few games they had for PC.

I'd wager that over 90%+ of the people who have played Fallout 1 and 2 have played it after they first played 3. The game knocked the fuck out of everyone and people got so fucking hyped over it. Honestly the only two video games I can think who had that kind of reach in the mainstream and getting people to look at older games in the franchise were Final Fantasy 7 and Skyrim. And those were huge, well established franchises, not obscure as fuck.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Played the first two games days ago. Fallout 1 is cheesy (in a unarmed playthrough, for sure), short but fun as fuck. Fallout 2 was more long, but the unarmed abilities are top notch if you really love getting levels and later killing everyone with critical kicks in heads. Slayer is truly the perfect perk for me.
Now i can understand the humor in New Vegas; Fallout 2 have a similar sketch and many 4th wall breaks.

 

[TyrasGuard]

Fallout 3 was fucking revolutionary when it came out and everyone was raving about it except for literally a couple of die hard nerds on NMA, and even though nowadays more people on NMA pretend they always hated it, it was universally praised when it came out, bugs and all.

I see tons of people who bash Fallout 3 & 4 and still managed to play at least a couple of hundred hours of the game in the first place.



Except that 2008 was a garbage year for video games and Fallout 3 was clearly the only good thing that came out and deserved the title then.

You can sell pretty much anything you want with good marketing. You can also have fun with bad games. The only "good" Fallout game to me is New Vegas and only because of its writing and the fact that you can mod it to hell and back to fix the bugs. I would never recommend vanilla New Vegas to anyone and i'd go as far as to say that the game should've been ridiculed for not being able to be played for more than 20 minutes without a crash.

That said, i hate people who pretend FO1 and 2 were good as well. There are so many useless mechanics, perks and skills and interactions that are half-assed (And NV has plenty of those too) that i cannot imagine anyone having fun with. I also think that a game where you constantly have to savescum is a terrible one.

My opinion on the Fallout series is pretty much the same as the TES series, i like the aesthetics and the lore but i think the games are literally the worst part of them.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Had a girlfriend introduce me to Fallout 2, and it was only because her brother was a weirdo metalhead and it was one of the few games they had for PC.

I'd wager that over 90%+ of the people who have played Fallout 1 and 2 have played it after they first played 3. The game knocked the fuck out of everyone and people got so fucking hyped over it. Honestly the only two video games I can think who had that kind of reach in the mainstream and getting people to look at older games in the franchise were Final Fantasy 7 and Skyrim. And those were huge, well established franchises, not obscure as fuck.

Exactly. Which means that if there was no Bethesda Fallout 3, the Fallout fanbase would be a lot smaller, and far less people would discover the "majesty" of the first two games.

That, and if Black Isle did get their version of Fallout 3 out, it would be horribly out of date and panned by the gaming public. Adapting Oblivion's control scheme and first-person/third-person mode allowed Fallout 3 to mix in with other big games of the time like Halo and Mass Effect, which made it easier to swallow for the gaming public of 2008.

Played the first two games days ago. Fallout 1 is cheesy (in a unarmed playthrough, for sure), short but fun as fuck. Fallout 2 was more long, but the unarmed abilities are top notch if you really love getting levels and later killing everyone with critical kicks in heads. Slayer is truly the perfect perk for me.
Now i can understand the humor in New Vegas; Fallout 2 have a similar sketch and many 4th wall breaks.

Considering FNV and FO2 were written by the same people, I can see that point. If you loved Fallout 1 and 2, you'll love New Vegas, because it's more of the same writing, but better.

You can sell pretty much anything you want with good marketing. You can also have fun with bad games. The only "good" Fallout game to me is New Vegas and only because of its writing and the fact that you can mod it to hell and back to fix the bugs. I would never recommend vanilla New Vegas to anyone and i'd go as far as to say that the game should've been ridiculed for not being able to be played for more than 20 minutes without a crash.

I love the shit out of New Vegas, but I wouldn't call Fallout 3 a bad game. In fact, in my eyes it's a good game, just not as good at the writing as New Vegas, but a damn fine game regardless. It got more Space Marine-ish with all the power-armored Enclave guys and Super Mutants running around and being the main baddies, but hey, space marine games were selling well during those days, as Republic Commando, Mass Effect, and Halo proved in the previous years, so that was a good idea for the time.

That said, i hate people who pretend FO1 and 2 were good as well. There are so many useless mechanics, perks and skills and interactions that are half-assed (And NV has plenty of those too) that i cannot imagine anyone having fun with. I also think that a game where you constantly have to savescum is a terrible one.

Fallout 1 and 2 were at most, decent. RPG nuts love them, every other type of gamer got tired of them after an hour or two with all the managing and the subpar mechanics.

My opinion on the Fallout series is pretty much the same as the TES series, i like the aesthetics and the lore but i think the games are literally the worst part of them.

I'd argue that Elder Scrolls didn't really get good until TES IV: Oblivion, just as I'd argue that Fallout didn't get good until Fallout 3. Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion and Fallout 3 were the breakout point for those two franchises. Prior to those games, Elder Scrolls and Fallout were franchises that had somewhat decent storytelling, but outside of RPG turbo-nerds, most gamers wouldn't waste a thought on them. Then Oblivion and FO3 came around, and suddenly, you have a lot more Elder Scrolls and Fallout fans than there were before.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

I'd argue that Elder Scrolls didn't really get good until TES IV: Oblivion, just as I'd argue that Fallout didn't get good until Fallout 3. Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion and Fallout 3 were the breakout point for those two franchises. Prior to those games, Elder Scrolls and Fallout were franchises that had somewhat decent storytelling, but outside of RPG turbo-nerds, most gamers wouldn't waste a thought on them. Then Oblivion and FO3 came around, and suddenly, you have a lot more Elder Scrolls and Fallout fans than there were before.

I'm sure Morrowind had the "honor" of gathering more fans. I mean, i remember when Fable appeared in 2004 on Xbox and some critics in that time called that game as "Morrowind Killer" or something like that (just like Killzone for PS2 when the same journos called that "Halo Killer").
That was before the meme of "this is the Dark Souls of x-game genre"... wow, good times.

 

[Shaka Brah]

I'm sure Morrowind had the "honor" of gathering more fans. I mean, i remember when Fable appeared in 2004 on Xbox and some critics in that time called that game as "Morrowind Killer" or something like that (just like Killzone for PS2 when the same journos called that "Halo Killer").
That was before the meme of "this is the Dark Souls of x-game genre"... wow, good times.

Morrowind defined the genre for sure, and after that it was Oblivion. The mainline ES games are their biggest impact ones.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I'm sure Morrowind had the "honor" of gathering more fans. I mean, i remember when Fable appeared in 2004 on Xbox and some critics in that time called that game as "Morrowind Killer" or something like that (just like Killzone for PS2 when the same journos called that "Halo Killer").
That was before the meme of "this is the Dark Souls of x-game genre"... wow, good times.

I'm not so sure. Morrowind at most was about as popular as Fable was when it came out. It had the misfortune of coming out around the same time as many great RPGs, like Paper Mario 1 and 2, KOTOR 1 and 2, Jade Empire, and of course, Final Fantasy X. I remember seeing Morrowind among the pile of games my cousins played, and we toyed with it for a bit before throwing it away and going back to KOTOR and Jade Empire. Morrowind was a janky, hot mess in the eyes of many casual gamers, and among RPG connoisseurs, there were better choices for one's Xbox or PC library.

Oblivion though, was a different beast altogether, garnering massive attention and laying the groundwork for the massive reception Skyrim would also garner as well. Tons of people were awed by Oblivion, and the same people lined up to buy Skyrim and were not disappointed.

The same thing happened with Fallout 3. Fallout 1 and 2 were like Morrowind in many respects: well-loved by RPG nuts in their day, but most gamers had problems playing them and threw them away for other options rather quickly. Then came Fallout 3, and suddenly, the Fallout fanbase ballooned, and you even had celebs openly praising the franchise or advertising for it on live TV. Fallout became a competitor with franchises like Mass Effect and Halo, games that truly earned their place at the top, and that was all due to Fallout 3.

 

[Slap47]

Fallout 3 is a good game and despite what people say its faithful to the series. Fallout 1 and 2 were relatively black and white with their main stories like FO3, and most of FO3's sidequests are great.

It just pales in comparison to what New Vegas did. NV significantly improved the gameplay and it has a story that blows all other games out of the water.

 

[Vault Boy]

Fallout 3 is a good game and despite what people say its faithful to the series. Fallout 1 and 2 were relatively black and white with their main stories like FO3, and most of FO3's sidequests are great.

It just pales in comparison to what New Vegas did. NV significantly improved the gameplay and it has a story that blows all other games out of the water.

Maybe an apt comparison would be Grand Theft Auto, with 3 being III and New Vegas being Vice City.

I guess 4 would be GTA IV due to it being divisive, and 76 could be a less stingy version of GTA Online?

Maybe I just have GTA on my brain, but here's hoping Fallout 5 won't take as long as GTA VI...

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Fallout 3 is a good game and despite what people say its faithful to the series. Fallout 1 and 2 were relatively black and white with their main stories like FO3, and most of FO3's sidequests are great.

It just pales in comparison to what New Vegas did. NV significantly improved the gameplay and it has a story that blows all other games out of the water.

My point exactly. FO3 looks average when compared to New Vegas, but it's far better than Fallout 1 and 2 if the fan reception during release was any indication. The only people who were excited about Fallout 1 and 2 were hardcore RPG turbonerds who will play terrible games and say they're great if it lets them roleplay their DnD fantasies in a virtual setting. The average gamers were thrilled by Fallout 3, and it competed with some genuinely masterful games like Halo and Mass Effect for the GOTY crown.

 

[A Grey Cat]

SO...Hard...to...pick one.....a deadly sawn off rifle from blade runner? or company on the long trail to vegas?

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Fallout New Philadelphia is about to get fucking liiiiiiit nigga

 

[Snekposter]

Bro, the real Fallout is happening right now down in Brazil.

You wanna talk about homemade guns? These guys are Super Mutants in disguise given their use of blowback .50 BMG weapons.

 

[Anachronistic]

Exactly. Which means that if there was no Bethesda Fallout 3, the Fallout fanbase would be a lot smaller, and far less people would discover the "majesty" of the first two games.

What really annoys me about NMA is that this point has been brought up over there several times and every in instance they declare that it would've been better if Fallout died with 2. They also bring up alot that Troika wanted the IP but Bethesda "stole it" first and that Troika's Fallout 3 would've been so much better.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

NMA are just gatekeeping faggots. Fallout existing after 1 & 2 doesn't in any way affect those games, they can just fuck right off with their complaints. Especially since most of them enjoyed Fallout 3 before the mindhive decided it was bad

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

What really annoys me about NMA is that this point has been brought up over there several times and every in instance they declare that it would've been better if Fallout died with 2. They also bring up alot that Troika wanted the IP but Bethesda "stole it" first and that Troika's Fallout 3 would've been so much better.

Yes, I encountered many Fallout fans who would claim that. Yet the fact that Troika didn't cough up enough dough to beat Bethesda at Interplay's auctioning of the franchise shows that they didn't have the budget to make a good Fallout game.

And the funny thing is? A lot of the most meme-worthy and great Fallout content came after 2. Love it or hate it, Fallout 3 made the Enclave more meme-worthy and nuanced, with them having some really catchy propaganda and the fact that their new goal was to just stabilize the country, since only Eden wanted to kill everyone outside the Enclave, and he didn't command their troops. Also, New Vegas, arguably the BEST Fallout game that had the best writing and the most freedom for the story, was made as a cynical cash-grab to build upon the success of Fallout 3 while Bethesda proper focused on Elder Scrolls V and Fallout 4. Literally, Bethesda gave Obsidian some money and resources and told them to make an expansion to Fallout 3 using Fallout 2's setting, and that's what New Vegas was.

Fallout 3 set the stage for Fallout New Vegas' success, and Fallout 3's success is the main reason New Vegas even exists:

NMA are just gatekeeping faggots. Fallout existing after 1 & 2 doesn't in any way affect those games, they can just fuck right off with their complaints. Especially since most of them enjoyed Fallout 3 before the mindhive decided it was bad

They pretty much are. All they do is whine about how Fallout 3 and everyone who loves it sucks, while pointing to New Vegas being superior to 3, not realizing that New Vegas exists because FO3 was a good game and Bethesda wanted to follow up on its success. Fallout didn't really get successful before 3, and even with the trash fire that is 76, Interplay did far worse to Fallout than that.

 

[Mnutu]

Yes, I encountered many Fallout fans who would claim that. Yet the fact that Troika didn't cough up enough dough to beat Bethesda at Interplay's auctioning of the franchise shows that they didn't have the budget to make a good Fallout game.

And the funny thing is? A lot of the most meme-worthy and great Fallout content came after 2. Love it or hate it, Fallout 3 made the Enclave more meme-worthy and nuanced, with them having some really catchy propaganda and the fact that their new goal was to just stabilize the country, since only Eden wanted to kill everyone outside the Enclave, and he didn't command their troops. Also, New Vegas, arguably the BEST Fallout game that had the best writing and the most freedom for the story, was made as a cynical cash-grab to build upon the success of Fallout 3 while Bethesda proper focused on Elder Scrolls V and Fallout 4. Literally, Bethesda gave Obsidian some money and resources and told them to make an expansion to Fallout 3 using Fallout 2's setting, and that's what New Vegas was.

Fallout 3 set the stage for Fallout New Vegas' success, and Fallout 3's success is the main reason New Vegas even exists:

They pretty much are. All they do is whine about how Fallout 3 and everyone who loves it sucks, while pointing to New Vegas being superior to 3, not realizing that New Vegas exists because FO3 was a good game and Bethesda wanted to follow up on its success. Fallout didn't really get successful before 3, and even with the trash fire that is 76, Interplay did far worse to Fallout than that.

Bethesda fucked a lot up, but they did just as much better. Even I can acknowledge that Fallout 4 and, begrudgingly, Fallout 76 moved laterally at best in the right direction at places, unlike both BoS games where they mostly nosedived away from good stuff. Of course, that’s being very forgiving.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Tactics was more than a fine game, and I would have enjoyed a sequel.

 

[Mnutu]

Tactics was more than a fine game, and I would have enjoyed a sequel.

Only problem I have with it is that it leaned a little too heavily out of the retro future style that Bethesda managed to nail. They’re starting to bleed that dry, but it’s a better than tactics in that respect alone.