Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

[Mr Snek]

All this is just a cope. Its also mostly about money which suggests to me you probably grew up poor (or in the US), which is fine. There are easy solutions to your problems but they don't matter since you can just readily invent more of them, a permanent fix would be to change the way you think about relationships altogether. Instead of thinking that you're spending money on a future wife consider that you're just going on a date to have a good time and if you have to pay you're doing it for yourself. And also don't date women you know you don't like.
That's not necessarily advice to you (i don't care), just an "out" of this line of thinking, i see it a lot.

I don't know how you expect people to change the way they view relationships when all evidence points to their original views being right. I have never in my life seen a relationship based on anything other than horniness, desperation for a family or economic benefit.

 

[TheShedCollector]

I am not an incel. I have had plenty of sex. But I am blackpilled at this point. By that I mean I have given up on women because I do not think they can give me what I want: a happy child and a long lasting partnership.

Not going to PL too much here but my entire life has been surrounded by broken relationships. I have a big family and literally only two couples in the generation before mine stayed together, while every divorce was nasty, drawn out and expensive.

I was in a liberal arts grad program with a bunch of women who were all late 20s. None of them married. None of them with kids. Most of them claimed to not want kids.

In my opinion, women are not incentivized to monogamy. If your instincts guide you to maximize resources using your body, and you can have a child with one man and then divorce him and use your body to lure another, why would you choose to stay with the first man? You only get half as much money.

Women are not predisposed to loyalty from an evolutionary perspective. If their mates were killed in battle and they remained loyal, they were killed. If they instead offered themselves to the victor, they were spared. Being flexible about your partner is likely baked into female DNA at this point.

And its not like finding the right partner is free either. It takes time and money to find a girl, charm her, take her out and determine if she's even right for you. So looking, with no guarantee you will ever find one is worse than just not looking at all.

And even if I did find a woman, what good would it do me? She will have debt because they all went to school. She will want to work. If she works and I work, theres no kid. Or the kid is being raised by someone totally different. And when she gets pregnant and has to take time off work, her debt wont pause. Then I'm paying two debts on one income. Not worth it at all.

Don't give up hope brother. There are kind, feminine women out there who want to be your wife and mother of your children. It may take you a long time to find them, and you must not lose patience and settle for less than you are worth. But it can be done.

 

[RayBlue123(TransRights)]

If you are a man, and you are a virgin on your 21st birthday, that is something to be ashamed of. It's a major milestone in the growing up process that you have missed by three years.

What if someone is celibate due to religious/moral reasons? Shame him for being a loser?

 

[Dreamer]

I don't know how you expect people to change the way they view relationships when all evidence points to their original views being right. I have never in my life seen a relationship based on anything other than horniness, desperation for a family or economic benefit.

All evidence they see or interpret, that's the problem. Your mind is going to align what you see to what you already believe, in addition relationships are very rarely black and white, so there is even more opportunity to only ever focus on one side of them.
I don't expect them to just magically change, maybe if they get psychological help over time ... I expect them to acknowledge and understand their bias however, because at least its a start.

 

[ks99]

If you are a man, and you are a virgin on your 21st birthday, that is something to be ashamed of. It's a major milestone in the growing up process that you have missed by three years.

Retarded dudebro-level take. Getting your dick wet changes literally nothing, and putting such undue emphasis on it (or not having done it) leads to the retardation that causes incels to further their own misery. When you think having sex is going to magically change your life for the better, and you think you're far behind everyone else, but you aren't able to achieve that goal for yourself, you're going to want to blow your fucking brains out. Or someone elses.

 

[TheShedCollector]

What if someone is celibate due to religious/moral reasons? Shame him for being a loser?

No. Shame him for believing in talking snakes, virgin births, pensioners building boats for 2x of every animal, magic words that part seas and any other such nonsense.

Retarded dudebro-level take. Getting your dick wet changes literally nothing, and putting such undue emphasis on it (or not having done it) leads to the retardation that causes incels to further their own misery. When you think having sex is going to magically change your life for the better, and you think you're far behind everyone else, but you aren't able to achieve that goal for yourself, you're going to want to blow your fucking brains out. Or someone elses.

It does change things. Losing your virginity is a confidence booster in young men like absolutely nothing else.

I don't care about incels misery, their misery is entirely of their own making. They deserve every drop of it and I would trade the life of every man on earth who calls himself an incel and happily trade it away for a happy meal.

 

[Pasta Head]

Why is sex so necessary to you lot? Do you really have no hobbies outside of drinking and playing video games?

 

[.moe]

Where does the Jewish question fit here?

Why is sex so necessary to you lot? Do you really have no hobbies outside of drinking and playing video games?

lel, everything is about sex.

 

[ks99]

It does change things. Losing your virginity is a confidence booster in young men like absolutely nothing else.

Confidence booster how, exactly? More confident that you'll be able to get your dick wet in the future?
Losing your virginity is usually awkward as fuck anyway; you're not going to have sex worth having until some time down the line when you aren't fucking clueless.

>I don't care about incels misery, their misery is entirely of their own making. They deserve every drop of it and I would trade the life of every man on earth who calls himself an incel and happily trade it away for a happy meal.

Right, so they deserve their own misery that they have because they value sex (which they evidently can't have) way too much. How in the fuck is the solution not "maybe don't view sex as the end-all-be-all to a happy existence"?

 

[ks99]

Where does the Jewish question fit here?

lel, everything is about sex.

Lemme guess: "the only reason men did anything is 'cuz they wanted to get laid"

 

[Pasta Head]

Where does the Jewish question fit here?

lel, everything is about sex.

If that's all you care about then that's on you but sex is not everything. Only a horny incel would say something that stupid.

 

[.moe]

If that's all you care about then that's on you but sex is not everything. Only a horny incel would say something that stupid.

Its a Freud quote, not verbatim.

 

[Had]

What if someone is celibate due to religious/moral reasons? Shame him for being a loser?

Most religious guys I know like that always get married stupid young (I know a guy who got married with a kid on the way at 18 ) past an age you can't really say your still leaving room for Jesus unless you become part of the church itself.

 

[TheShedCollector]

Confidence booster how, exactly? More confident that you'll be able to get your dick wet in the future?

That you have achieved a basic level of competence with the social skills required to seduce a member of the opposite sex.

Losing your virginity is usually awkward as fuck anyway; you're not going to have sex worth having until some time down the line when you aren't fucking clueless.

How would you know? You've never lost it. Also, what a typical incel response. Wanting to jump straight to the end product without putting in the work first. How do you propose getting to the good stuff if you don't have the social skills to get past the first hurdle. You're no different to the crazy feminist who wants to be the CEO before she knows how to mop the floor.

Right, so they deserve their own misery that they have because they value sex (which they evidently can't have) way too much. How in the fuck is the solution not "maybe don't view sex as the end-all-be-all to a happy existence"?

I've already posted the solution multiple times, however I'll repeat myself.

Either of these options will produce results however actively pursuing both will be great for your wellbeing overall.

1) Go to the gym, every day, and lift weights. You can't go in, sit in the locker room and then call it a day after you start to break a sweat. You have to do it for an absolute minnimum of 45 minutes a day, and you need to do it until sweat is dripping off you.
2) Get a smart-casual shirt, trousers, pair of shoes and a nice cologne. Find a bar that has women in it. Walk into the bar, walk up to the women, and start a conversation. If you're too autistic to do this, join the Toastmasters.

If either of these are too much effort and you just want to pay to bypass the self improvement part and you want to jump straight to the sex, type "Escorts in <<YOUR TOWN>>" into Google and take your pick from the list that comes up. They have all kinds. White, Black, Asian, fat, thin, big tits, big ass, costumes, fetishes, her place or yours, whatever you want. Right beside the photos and the list of what they do and don't do is the price and their phone number.

 

[Dreamer]

1) Go to the gym, every day, and lift weights.
2) Get a smart-casual shirt, trousers and pair of shoes. Find a bar that has women in it. Walk into the bar, walk up to the women, and start a conversation. If you're too autistic to do this, join the Toastmasters.

Go to /fit/ and just scroll, you'll probably see an OP that goes something like "ok guys im ripped, now what". Turns out incels who start lifting end up as incels with big muscles. Same with guys on /fa/ of course.
Besides the point since "acquiring sex" wont change anything for them anyway, i mean look at Chris-Chan, he hired a hooker(?) and it didn't change shit, he still had to fuck his mom after because what he wanted was a relationship, gjob he did it.

It does change things. Losing your virginity is a confidence booster in young men like absolutely nothing else.

Its only a "confidence booster" if you lack confidence in the first place, and its very temporary.
"Ok, i had sex, but i still feel like a loser, now what?"

You know, im starting to think people who had sex are even more susceptible to the incel rhetoric than actual virgins, because they have a false sense of safety in thinking it doesn't concern them anymore. Granted, they won't go as extreme as some incels, but they sure do perpetuate the same type of bullshit.

Drinking game, down a shot every time you read "im not an incel but ..." itt.

 

[TheShedCollector]

Go to /fit/ and just scroll, you'll probably see an OP that goes something like "ok guys im ripped, now what". Turns out incels who start lifting end up as incels with big muscles. Same with guys on /fa/ of course.
Besides the point since "acquiring sex" wont change anything for them anyway, i mean look at Chris-Chan, he hired a hooker(?) and it didn't change shit, he still had to fuck his mom after because what he wanted was a relationship, gjob he did it.

Its only a "confidence booster" if you lack confidence in the first place, and its very temporary.
"Ok, i had sex, but i still feel like a loser, now what?"

You know, im starting to think people who had sex are even more susceptible to the incel rhetoric than actual virgins, because they have a false sense of safety in thinking it doesn't concern them anymore. Granted, they won't go as extreme as some incels, but they sure do perpetuate the same type of bullshit.

Drinking game, down a shot every time you read "im not an incel but ..." itt.

Excuses and bullshit.

 

[Dreamer]

Excuses and bullshit.

Cringe cope.

 

[Mr Snek]

You know, applying incel logic to sex but saying its okay because you had sex so you must be a chad really doesn't make you look much better than the incels themselves.

 

[Neo-Liberal Bugman]

If you are not married by age 25 then you clearly are not fit for normal society and will inevitably be a danger to those around you.

The majority of modern humans are like this or are on their way to be like this. Birth rates are stagnating or declining everywhere except sub-Saharan Africa and divorce/marraige rates in many countries aren't looking good either.

 

[RayBlue123(TransRights)]

Most religious guys I know like that always get married stupid young (I know a guy who got married with a kid on the way at 18 ) past an age you can't really say your still leaving room for Jesus unless you become part of the church itself.

I'm not a christcuck.