Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

TheShedCollector said:
Don't give up hope brother. There are kind, feminine women out there who want to be your wife and mother of your children. It may take you a long time to find them, and you must not lose patience and settle for less than you are worth. But it can be done.
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I addressed that in one of my points: searching is not costless. If it takes me a long time to find this woman, I could conserve the time, energy and money spent on that endeavor and use it on things that I know will make me happier. The risk outweighs the reward.
 
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TheShedCollector said:
1) Go to the gym, every day, and lift weights. You can't go in, sit in the locker room and then call it a day after you start to break a sweat. You have to do it for an absolute minnimum of 45 minutes a day, and you need to do it until sweat is dripping off you.
2) Get a smart-casual shirt, trousers, pair of shoes and a nice cologne. Find a bar that has women in it. Walk into the bar, walk up to the women, and start a conversation. If you're too autistic to do this, join the Toastmasters.
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you really suffer from sociopathic bodybuilder complex.
 
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TheShedCollector said:
That you have achieved a basic level of competence with the social skills required to seduce a member of the opposite sex.

How would you know? You've never lost it. Also, what a typical incel response. Wanting to jump straight to the end product without putting in the work first. How do you propose getting to the good stuff if you don't have the social skills to get past the first hurdle. You're no different to the crazy feminist who wants to be the CEO before she knows how to mop the floor.

I've already posted the solution multiple times, however I'll repeat myself.

Either of these options will produce results however actively pursuing both will be great for your wellbeing overall.

1) Go to the gym, every day, and lift weights. You can't go in, sit in the locker room and then call it a day after you start to break a sweat. You have to do it for an absolute minnimum of 45 minutes a day, and you need to do it until sweat is dripping off you.
2) Get a smart-casual shirt, trousers, pair of shoes and a nice cologne. Find a bar that has women in it. Walk into the bar, walk up to the women, and start a conversation. If you're too autistic to do this, join the Toastmasters.

If either of these are too much effort and you just want to pay to bypass the self improvement part and you want to jump straight to the sex, type "Escorts in <<YOUR TOWN>>" into Google and take your pick from the list that comes up. They have all kinds. White, Black, Asian, fat, thin, big tits, big ass, costumes, fetishes, her place or yours, whatever you want. Right beside the photos and the list of what they do and don't do is the price and their phone number.
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Seek help, Jesus Christ. Instead of visiting escorts you should consider visiting a therapist. Accusing others of being incels out of the blue (for saying sex isn't important, which is not something most incels seem to believe) is downright pathetic. Go back to bodybuilding.com's forums.
 
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Incels have huge levels of social anxiety and probably a load of Cluster B personality disorders . It's reinforced by the internet since they basically end up convincing themselves its not their problem but every woman.

They need to get off the internet, and get over their fucked up perception of the world
 
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An incel excels at one thing and one thing only; masturbation, in all its forms except social. They sit around and jerk themselves off over porn, then they continually jerk themselves off over whining at the state of the world, as if it makes them any better. They just need to learn the careful art of social masturbation or “confidence”. How to jerk themselves off socially in the right way. Usually they just gorilla grip or limp wrist their way through most social interactions, when it’s a careful dance of pull and tug. Sometimes the only way to finish is to shove a banana up the ass. All I’m saying is, keep your options open, and who cares what happens? If you fuck up, at least you jerked off and suffer from the usual PNC.
 
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Cringe cope.
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The only one coping here is you. You've been offered genuine advice and your only response has been to shun it because it's not a guarantee to success.
Guess what motherfucker, nothing is. The idea is to meaningfully improve your chances of success across as many domains as possible while engaged in activities that will be a benefit to you regardless.

What a sad sap you are .
 
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The only one coping here is you. You've been offered genuine advice and your only response has been to shun it because it's not a guarantee to success.
Guess what motherfucker, nothing is. The idea is to meaningfully improve your chances of success across as many domains as possible while engaged in activities that will be a benefit to you regardless.

What a sad sap you are .
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Say, before dickriding this hopefully random guy how about you read a few of my posts?
 
Holy fucking shit, just talk to a real fucking woman. Like actually try to understand women as human beings and not just femoids who deny you sex for arbitrary reasons.

Does platonic friendship mean absolutely nothing to these people? I'll admit that once upon a time, I was a bitter teenager who got no action but guess what? You literally have your entire life ahead of you. It only stays miserable because you choose to make it miserable. I've literally confessed my feelings to female friends in the past, and you know what happened after the rejection? Nothing. Why? Because it's not the fucking end of the world if you get curved.

Platonic female friendships truly are some of the most beautiful things that one can experience in their lives if they're a cis male. Why? Because there are some things that a woman is only capable of understanding that other men simply can't. Because you can share mutual interests without making shit awkward with unwanted romantic advances. More to the point: other women are the best people to get advice about women from!

It absolutely baffles me as to how these people can just genuinely believe all the memes about women just being evil. Like whatever happened to the separation of fantasy vs reality?
 
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The isolating culture of the Internet is to blame for a lot. Incels want relationships, but many of them are stuck in a vicious cycle of not going out, not socializing, and going online to compensate. Incels tend to be 100% shut-ins, and they sperg out over things normal people wouldn't even notice in social situations. You can't really have a good relationship if you aren't capable of being a relatable person. If you're not good at expressing yourself in a pleasant way, and you refuse to learn how to do so, you're going to fuck yourself if you blame society as a whole. Most incel ideology sounds batshit insane to the normal person, and a lot of incels have literally nothing else to talk about. They're terminally boring/schizoid.
 
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Whoever says that losing your virginity by the age of 20-something is not important, misses the point. Losing it doesn't make you a Chad, but not losing it makes you an incel.
Having sex is normal, "normies" can't believe I'm using this word unironically have it all the time, so if you're not having it, you're abnormal, and that feeling of abnormality causes people a lot of distress.

As for the solutions... hell if I know. In another thread I suggested legalizing prostitution and giving incels vouchers for prostitutes, but someone objected that it could destroy their self-esteem even further, also there's a huge subset of incels who not only want sex, but wish to be loved unconditionally, and I'm not sure if they can be helped at all.

Although the idea of anti-horny pills as suggested by @ReturnedHermit seems interesting. Sure, they would probably have a few unpleasant side-effects, but so does birth-control, but women take it anyway, soooo...
 
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Dandelion Eyes said:
Whoever says that losing your virginity by the age of 20-something is not important, misses the point. Losing it doesn't make you a Chad, but not losing it makes you an incel.
Having sex is normal, "normies" can't believe I'm using this word unironically have it all the time, so if you're not having it, you're abnormal, and that feeling of abnormality causes people a lot of distress.

As for the solutions... hell if I know. In another thread I suggested legalizing prostitution and giving incels vouchers for prostitutes, but someone objected that it could destroy their self-esteem even further, also there's a huge subset of incels who not only want sex, but wish to be loved unconditionally, and I'm not sure if they can be helped at all.

Although the idea of anti-horny pills as suggested by @ReturnedHermit seems interesting. Sure, they would probably have a few unpleasant side-effects, but so does birth-control, but women take it anyway, soooo...
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yeah I think any feeling of abnormality fucks with mentalities. it's like the people i've met who were homeschooled and admit they feel like they've missed out on something.

the issue is that most incels typically don't do anything and the project it onto other people. I've had quite a few incel-types project their shit onto me because I'm just not interested in pursuing a woman until I'm done with my formal education.

and yeah social skills, don't be a sperg, hygiene, etc. I've found it fucking hilarious that I've met several incels that easily look like 7-8/10 dudes but refuse to just get themselves out of the mental shithole.

mind you, i've met asian dudes that look like fat frogs and they manage to get loyal and cute women, without having any factor of money. I've seen too many examples of success to the point that I think it's just a sort of numbers game at some point. (desperation stinks and even someone who isn't an incel but comes across these people can smell it.)


I guess I'm also tired of the term "incel" being thrown around in regular talk.
 
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