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Big South Park news.

South Park' co-creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone inked a massive deal with Paramount+ to release 14 new movies based on the series through 2027.
Is this in addition to the show or instead of the show?

EDIT: In addition to the show... Even knowing that South Park takes a week to make, this seems like a shitload of work. I have no idea how they're going to do that much stuff.
 
Be me: See that Invincible meme keep popping up, vague awareness that there's a cartoon about superheroes, see something about "critically acclaimed" on some website. Have a free morning, decide to put it on.

Okay... fairly generic young superhero thing... bit like Sky High. Keep watching. Last five minutes suddenly see someone's head squeezed till their eyeball pops out and a woman have her head snapped 180 and spew blood. Lovely!

Idly, because what the Heck, I read summary on Wikipedia of next episode. Sounds boring. Ep. 3 seems maybe better? Click on play and skip around... little girl who is actually 22 but has body of twelve year old.... Ooookay. Skip a bit - main character preparing for date with a girl. Gay best friend brings him Tehnehesi Coates book to read so he can impress her... Jesus! Skip back to Wikipedia to read last episode summary because my OCD doesn't let me drop a series without knowing what happens in the end. Reveal is pretty much as expected. Done.

This shit is "critically acclaimed"? Fuck that. Why has all Western Animation become shit?
Invincible's violence is a fairly direct adaptation of the comic. The show's changes aside I'm mildly surprised they kept as much if not more gore but I guess that they had no issues with. Curiously I actually think the live action Boys reduced the comic's excess violence in comparison which might be a commentary on the "adult" nature of cartoons allowing more violence that people would be comfortable with in a non-animated series at the moment.

The meme was good though.

Take comfort. Season 2 of Stargirl this weekend I believe.
 
Big South Park news.

South Park' co-creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone inked a massive deal with Paramount+ to release 14 new movies based on the series through 2027.
I think this is gonna be a big mistake.

Are they talking about making 14 feature-length movies? Or are each of these movies the same length of the Vaccination special? Because I don't see them pulling it off. Trey and Matt needs to get a different writing approach from their six day production. What troubles me is when Trey and Matt attempted to do anything that resembles a narrative structure, it only shows just how awful they are as writers. The only thing I hope is they don't make the same mistake they made with Season 20.
 
It’s less the CalArts argument and more of the same argument that’s been around since the days of Family Guy and South Park; adult cartoons being uniformly ugly and/or bland to go along with being vulgar comedy. As much as people have explained it to me, it’s a trend I still can’t wrap my head around completely.

In other news, it appear Muppet Babies of all things had a gender variant episode.
Yeesh. And then there’s a new live action Velma Dinkley series that maybe shaping up to be CW tier.
BTW, the guy who made the Muppet Babies reboot, is also the same guy who created Codename: Kids Next Door....


Let that sink in for a moment.....
Kinda ironic he's doing this shit now considering that in his KND shit, he made a whole Terminator-esque episode about a crazy feminist from the future wanting to annihilate all boys and force them to become girls and wear dresses, something the male rebellion saw as a fate worse than death.

With the ending being that boys should be boys and girls should be girls but boys and girls should learn to live together and like each other.
 
Kinda ironic he's doing this shit now considering that in his KND shit, he made a whole Terminator-esque episode about a crazy feminist from the future wanting to annihilate all boys and force them to become girls and wear dresses, something the male rebellion saw as a fate worse than death.
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With the ending being that boys should be boys and girls should be girls but boys and girls should learn to live together and like each other.
If only they taught kids this than what's happening nowadays.
 
Sad news today folks. The voice of Muriel from Courage the Cowardly Dog, Thea White, has passed away at the age of 81. Her last role will be reprising the character in the upcoming Scooby Doo/Courage crossover special.
I loved Courage the Cowardly Dog as a kid. It was scary, funny and heartwarming at the same time. Muriel (Thea White) was a grandma that everybody would want, next to Betty White.

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I doubt many people knew she was once the personal assistant to Marlene Dietrich, and was married to the drummer on the Beatles' "Love Me Do." (The session drummer, not Ringo.)
 
I loved Courage the Cowardly Dog as a kid. It was scary, funny and heartwarming at the same time. Muriel (Thea White) was a grandma that everybody would want, next to Betty White.
Past my time, but I have seen clips of this show and it looks bonkers.

Is this in addition to the show or instead of the show?

EDIT: In addition to the show... Even knowing that South Park takes a week to make, this seems like a shitload of work. I have no idea how they're going to do that much stuff.
I still don't think they've jumped the shark yet. The newer seasons definitely aren't as good as S4-10 but they can still get huge laughs. The two RPG games are excellent. I just hope they drop the serialization that's plagued the show for a few years now. It's getting old and they can do much better. Still miles above modern FG and the Simpsons./
 
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I mean, outside of some current year stuff, it’s a solid adaption of the comic which I find pretty good itself; a welcome reconstruction in an era oversaturated with deconstruction. Rather than yet another animated shock comedy, it’s more dramatic fare with really well done fight scenes and all around good animation, so I can see why it would be critically acclaimed. And Western animation isn’t completely lost as seen with gems like Primal and Castlevania.

But if you want a serious answer on why animation seems to have gone down the crapper, it’s complicated to explain, going all the way back to the 2008 recession.

I'd actually be quite interested in your theory on this if you're willing; unless it's already been posted?

Invincible's violence is a fairly direct adaptation of the comic. The show's changes aside I'm mildly surprised they kept as much if not more gore but I guess that they had no issues with. Curiously I actually think the live action Boys reduced the comic's excess violence in comparison which might be a commentary on the "adult" nature of cartoons allowing more violence that people would be comfortable with in a non-animated series at the moment.

It wasn't so much the violence as it was how jarring it was that it felt just for the shock value. Keep in mind I knew nothing about this show so I'd sat through around forty minutes of fairly bland Saturday Morning Cartoon style stuff then it's brain matter and eyeballs all of a sudden. It felt exceedingly tacked on. If you knew it was coming I can see a different reaction. But they really needed to build up more tension ahead of that for it to not just seem edgy to me.

The meme was good though.

Take comfort. Season 2 of Stargirl this weekend I believe.
I can't wait. I have no reservation in calling Stargirl one of the best superhero TV shows I have ever seen. I'm just begging the sky gods that it hasn't been spoiled by being dragged into the CW verse. If Batwoman shows up to lecture Stargirl on White Privilege or something you're going to be able to dox me by seeing the TV launching to orbit from my apartment.
 
I'd actually be quite interested in your theory on this if you're willing; unless it's already been posted?
So basically, as seen last year, the entertainment entertainment was hit hard by a global event, in the case of 2008, it was the global recession, in addition to ongoing writer’s strikes. Even worse, many of the heavy hitters of the 00s had either been cancelled or ended, so networks went with the cheap alternative of filling the channels with kidcoms and Canadian imports.
By the time the 2010s rolled around, the thin line animation post AT proved to be very economical while action shows were too expensive to make without landing a toy deal (Sym-Bionic Titan, Tron: Uprising, Motorcity). For an industry still recovering from strikes and recessions, one thing lead to another. This isn’t a complete assessment but hopefully it summarizes some key points.
It wasn't so much the violence as it was how jarring it was that it felt just for the shock value. Keep in mind I knew nothing about this show so I'd sat through around forty minutes of fairly bland Saturday Morning Cartoon style stuff then it's brain matter and eyeballs all of a sudden. It felt exceedingly tacked on. If you knew it was coming I can see a different reaction. But they really needed to build up more tension ahead of that for it to not just seem edgy to me.
I felt it was something along the lines of Madoka; starts of normally, then veers into a shocking direction before the story starts for real. Of course, your mileage may very and adapting from one medium to another might be a factor.

Either way, I enjoy both Invincible and Stargirl for being celebrations of their respective genre, ie superheroes. Something I feel is missing from a lot of media for some reason.
 
It wasn't so much the violence as it was how jarring it was that it felt just for the shock value. Keep in mind I knew nothing about this show so I'd sat through around forty minutes of fairly bland Saturday Morning Cartoon style stuff then it's brain matter and eyeballs all of a sudden. It felt exceedingly tacked on. If you knew it was coming I can see a different reaction. But they really needed to build up more tension ahead of that for it to not just seem edgy to me.
That's fair. I'd say the tonal whiplash can work but I can appreciate it not doing it for anyone.
I can't wait. I have no reservation in calling Stargirl one of the best superhero TV shows I have ever seen. I'm just begging the sky gods that it hasn't been spoiled by being dragged into the CW verse. If Batwoman shows up to lecture Stargirl on White Privilege or something you're going to be able to dox me by seeing the TV launching to orbit from my apartment.
While this isn't the thread for it I'm right there with you. Some of the crossover stuff in the other series was off putting enough, I really dread the idea of any crossovers with Stargirl with the possible exception of the new Superman run and I'm far enough behind on that that I do not want to say that with confidence. But at least Supergirl ended before they could crossover with that.
Either way, I enjoy both Invincible and Stargirl for being celebrations of their respective genre, ie superheroes. Something I feel is missing from a lot of media for some reason.
Part of it might be because almost everything wants to be a "deconstruction" at the moment so when something isn't it stands out because of that. The closest Invincible has to that at the moment is Omniman being the villain but otherwise it's pretty on message as a (violent) superhero series which is in the current market different.
 
While this isn't the thread for it I'm right there with you. Some of the crossover stuff in the other series was off putting enough, I really dread the idea of any crossovers with Stargirl with the possible exception of the new Superman run and I'm far enough behind on that that I do not want to say that with confidence. But at least Supergirl ended before they could crossover with that.

I saw DC's Doom Patrol. Is Stargirl anything like it?
 
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I saw DC's Doom Patrol. Is Stargirl anything like it?
Oh good grief no. Very much a PG or at times even a U rating series rather than Doom Patrol's "how many profanities can we make Brendan Fraser say in a 30 second window."

But they do share that they both remain true to the source material rather than chasing the current zeitgeist. Doom Patrol's LGBTwhatever else rep was a decade and change ago rather than the band wagon jumping cringe we have now. Stargirl is pretty solidly committed to similar stuff done in the Stars and STRIPES/JSA comics. While there is more diversity representation (the cast are essentially a new JSA. Wildcat and Dr Midnight are a pair of non-white girls inspired by the originals and Hourman is the lone male teen currently in the group) it's an aside rather than a focus. Without spoiling it's actually possible to say that progressives are the villains of season 1.

Overly Serious will give better summaries than I do. However aside from Doom Patrol I do not know another current DC live action series I would say is as good and between the two at this point I think Stargirl is better (just about). Doom Patrol you could show to a fair number of people who might enjoy it as long as you're not worried about the gore/profanities. Stargirl almost anyone could enjoy it. Very young children would struggle with the plot and terminally nervous children might find some bits scary but frankly any child you would show Disney's Pinnochio movie too can cope with Stargirl.
 
I binged Invincible on a recent road trip and loved it enough that I also ended up reading the whole comic run. Pretty much the same opinions that have been brought up here: it's nice to have something in current year that has a love for the genre rather than trying to ruin it for you. Here's a video from comic commentator Just Some Guy about how The Watchmen, despite how good it is, popularized making you try to hate genres you love.

The only current year stuff in it was making Mark's first girlfriend a completely different character and a black girl. She's much more tolerable than the Invincible simp he dates in the comic. Mark's best friend being gay is in the comic, albeit introduced a lot later in the comic, and I found it nice that they actually played him being gay for laughs a couple times, like when he was thirsting for Omni-man without knowing Omni was Mark's father. Kirkman writes what he wants if you know some of the later story arcs of the comics, so anything they do is because he wants it and not just for woke points.

The show is a good example of why creator-owned series are better because Kirkman can run quality control on the series vs the all-audience crap big media companies put out. Amazon better keep producing it because there's some good story arcs left that I want to see animated.
 
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