Wtf is wrong with zoomers? - An analysis

[Crinoids]

This is pretty biased, but as a zoomer, I think it's a vocal minority of retards. For sure, there's absolutely something wrong with Gen Z, but they're only a little more fucked up than the last gen. It's not a huge gap, just a tiny one. Most people I know don't even use Tiktok, preferring Instagram, Facebook, and maybe Pinterest. Most live mundane lives. They aren't the people sperging about sex positivity and using a mentally ill lesbian's bay/bays/bayself pronouns.

A lot of points in this thread are true though-- Zoomers being utter idiots lacking privacy (because they didn't grow up with privacy encouraged and grew up making the internet their personality), the internet-exposed ones being mindfucked perverts (because of unfettered access to porn, lack of unsexualized idols, and culture based in degeneracy), and their low attention spans (because of a bombardment of information). Zoomers can be stupid, and, of course, they have their own problems as a whole, but I don't think it's a top-tier "Gen Z are sociopaths, eventual Dahmers and Bundys!" deal.

I have been in too many facebook photos without my consent, despite my refusal to use social media. I think my grandmas would cry if they knew I dreaded them coming over sometimes, because I feel like they are the paparazzi which puts me slightly on edge. I'm in some tiktok videos because one of my friends would be confused and hurt if I suggested she couldn't upload the funny video she was proud of making, or once I was joking around with a group of people at college, and they straight up uploaded it because it was funny. I'm in a few instagram group selfies over the years.
"Hey imma put you in my snap to so and so"

I don't even have facebook using parents. I wonder how annoyed I would be if I had to deal with this constantly instead of sometimes. I remember my friend's mom would make us stop and pose for cute facebook photos when I went to her house, and me being a little creeped out that her extended family would comment on her posts, especially since the family was insane. I got the impression her mom has considered children personal safari material since the myspace days, and I always wondered if it caused my friend have body image issues. I used to spend a lot of time in the library and see mothers in the library make their kids pose with books they don't even like, and then tap tap away on phone or tablet afterwards.

I've intentionally avoided all social media my whole life, but I still have an online presence that I didn't make. I know not to take photos of my cats, because my grandmas already doxxed my cats along with my art on pintrest. My name turns up casual photos of me from several different well meaning people talking about something we did together on social media.

Some people ask before taking a picture, or even tell you they never plan to upload it anywhere. Other people have zero concept of privacy, and a lot of those people are parents and grandparents sadly. I would say all my grandparents are addicted to social media.

 

[Dratchev]

When technology eliminated the need for humans to actually be social. It started around the late 90s with pagers and early phones. Then phones began to take over in 2000s, and by 2012 the entire Internet was gone.

It's crazy when I look back to my formative teenage years in the 90s... the change was beginning then, but I could at least talk to pretty much anyone I wanted. Now, fuck if I know what the common ugly nerdy zoomer is supposed to do to meet people. Especially try talking to zoomer girls... I don't know where they are. I live near a big university and I never see any young women shopping or doing anything besides looking at their phones.

dude idk, when it comes to the phone shit it seems like now all age brackets are always on the stupid phone. fuck they acted shocked when they find out I don't have one, like how the fuck do I live without a phone? and have actually had people say it to me and my reply is why the fuck do I need a phone? none of you fuckers know how to use one for that its actual purpose is (ie to dial a number and talk)

And god forbid if I get someone in the zoomer range that attempts to talk to me in person like holy fuck I end up thinking to myself just how fucking stupid these people are.

 

[Pukebucket]

Every single era has multiple events that gets the old people going "what the fuck is wrong with (generation)?" The 60s, 70s, and 80s had a massive upswing in horrific shit as kids between 16 and 25 ran away from home to join all the new age Kumbaya cults that ended in child abuse/molestation controversies where said cults would flee to another country and/or wind up committing murder or suicide. Then there was the upswing in sexually-motivated serial killers that got a bit too horny about getting spanked by disciplinarian parents or something and made it everyone else's problem as they started killing people; most were caught in their 20s or 30s, but many started as peeping toms and rapist degenerates in their teens. Then there was the explosion of violent crime via drugs and disease en masse through dirty needles and unchecked sex in the 80s. All of the shit we're seeing now is just the exact same echo of monsterous behavior, except dumped onto the brain space of the internet where all of their sick fuckery and personal preferences are put on display for the world rather than among in-person social cliques, and without the veneer of "in my day we didn't talk about the dog rapists or child molestors or spree killers so therefore they must not've been as much of a problem".

This is not to say the impact of the internet hasn't been massive; it's certainly enabled predators to groom kids and normalize their beliefs among a young and impressionable generation.

But human beings have always been fucked up in some capacity throughout the entirety of history, across the bounds of culture and ethnicity, in varying degrees. It doesn't mean we need to accept or even tolerate it, but viewing the past through the lens that because you were acclimatized or completely unaware of all the horrific shit that happened in your generation because "it was a different time" is fucking stupid. Not knowing something is bad doesn't retroactively undo the harm that was done to those who were abused. All the internet has done is made it easier for these people to congregate and manipulate others in a space that is much more easy to document and infiltrate, while simultaneously making it easier for them to slip away unseen; it didn't invent monsters, it's just a tool they like to exploit.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

you sound like a butt hurt faggot coomer tbh. I swear if you start mumbling about jews and george soros im going to hang myself because ive lost all faith in humanity.

lol fuck off newfag. If you lurked more and took a look at my profile before trying to be a reddit tier edgelord, you'd quickly realize how retarded what you just wrote is.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

Idk what stuff was like for pre-zoomers, but extreme ideologies (we need to privatize everything, we need to eradicate impurities, we need to dismantle the government, and we need to destroy capitalism) without any actual clue how any of those things would work.

Idk if every generation is this retarded when they're young, but yeah.

Also, the funniest example of stupid political views I've seen is the person who simultaneously wanted to privatize everything and also wanted the government to round up homeless people and euthanize them.

I wouldn't call it retarded, it's certainly better than the alternative, but it is also kind of weird when there are friend groups made up of people who would gladly kill each other on the battlefield without regrets and who openly acknowledge that.
I think that perhaps those friendships rest on a shared diagnoses and mutual understanding, even if the proposed solutions are radically different.

 

[Bubble Ba'ath]

This is a recent thought I’ve had. This pertains to both millennials and zoomers.

So to start, in the Middle East and Africa, we’ve seen the rise in terrorist groups since the 90’s. Why? One theory is that when you take a population’s sense of stability (no access to food, shelter, and a stable future) radicalization ideals are more accepted by said population. The population may not wholly agree with the ideals, but if a group comes in and offers food, shelter, and a future then a majority of that population will quickly accept the ideals of not just for access to food, shelter, and a future.
This can be seen when looking into the history of ISIS. They tend to recruit the most impoverished individuals offering them food, shelter, and a future.

Now we’re seeing it in the US. Older generations had the safety net given to them. They had cheaper education, cheaper housing, retirement funds, and guaranteed social security. However, millennials and zoomers do not have that, and we know we don’t have that. We know we have no future. What do ppl do when they think they have no future? They go balls to wall depressive or destructive. Now we’re also seeing the cost of shelter (housing) and food (hyper-inflation causing a loaf of bread going from $2 to $ rising closer and closer to a point we can’t afford. What do ppl do when they have no food or shelter? Balls to the wall depressive, crazy, and/or destructive.

Using that line of thinking, it makes sense why mass shootings, psychopaths, sociopaths, radicalism, and acts of destruction are becoming more and more prevalent.

TL;DR
American society is creating the next ISIS by making food, shelter, and stable and secure futures unobtainable for Millenials and Zoomers.

I was thinking about coming back to this thread to say something similar and you beat me, but good.

I don't just suspect this, I know this. Not to powerlevel, but in an old job of mine I had a side project related to other things that made me study extremist recruitment in a part of the Islamic world. My information is no longer up to date now, but one pattern that kept coming up was social alienation+ civil society failures = weird spergs and incel-types always going for the edgiest and most reactionary organizations possible to find a sense of community. Misgovernance caused an uptick in Islamism, coupled with the government then saying "Well everyone that opposes us is clearly just an extremist weirdo" which would cause opponents to be more likely to say "Guess Im just an extremist weirdo then."

This is very very similar to incel/alt right/edgelorderly like that of Bellas clique as well as the woke cancelling left. The patterns of societal division you would get in these societies ends up kind of paralleling our current establishment/soy faced bugman vs edgetroll mass shooter adjacent dynamic. And this isn't some enlightened centrist take, because its Boomers, Clintonite libs, and Reaganbrained republitards who did this to all of us in our case. They had wealth and prosperity due to the New Deal and what the war generation did, but believed themselves to have done it through their own bootstraps and gumption. So they decided to save money on taxes but cutting away the civil society they had used themselves to suceed, screwing over future generations (to say nothing about climate change). The problems people below them are responding to are real, but the loudest people responding to them are fucking morons making everything worse. A society restructured in the 80s and 90s around just being a vehicle for market finance cannot have a civil society or social mobility, so it just becomes a vehicle for giving high opinion/low info people culture war scraps to fight over while the pillage continues. People know everything is getting worse but they don't want to do the work of understanding the structural forces making it so. Which makes them marks and rubes. In the end most people from Boomers through Zoomers are responsible for feeding into this dynamic.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

And god forbid if I get someone in the zoomer range that attempts to talk to me in person

It's really sad that my generation just fundamentally does not understand how to talk to people irl, it's even sadder that all my social skills come from googling stuff like 'how to talk to people'. I basically grew up communicating to people in writing and have an abject hatred for calls of any kind, but talking to people in real life is quite pleasant even if I don't get to do it much. I realised when I was learning to socialise that even if I want to talk to people, everyone on they damn phone anyway.

 

[Canned-Ham]

lol fuck off newfag. If you lurked more and took a look at my profile before trying to be a reddit tier edgelord, you'd quickly realize how retarded what you just wrote is.

No you are still a faggot

 

[Crinoids]

It's really sad that my generation just fundamentally does not understand how to talk to people irl, it's even sadder that all my social skills come from googling stuff like 'how to talk to people'. I basically grew up communicating to people in writing and have an abject hatred for calls of any kind, but talking to people in real life is quite pleasant even if I don't get to do it much. I realised when I was learning to socialise that even if I want to talk to people, everyone on they damn phone anyway.

When I was in college, I would sit down next to the one person not on their phone before class and see if I could start a conversation. I had an actual mental checklist to see if I started any conversations that day, because I was terrified of social interaction in high school and was trying to take control of my fear.
Eventually I realized that I like talking to people.

It's a sad day when everyone is on their phone before class and you try to make conversation starting remarks, but all you get is wide eyes from the three people in the room who look up, and one nervous chuckle. If I was more insecure I would think I said something totally retarded and didn't cheerfully talk about the weather before sitting down.

 

[Henry Hill]

20 years ago there was a clear cut distinction between real life and online, 10 years ago the line between them was being blurred, 5 years ago in the wake of pmurt winning the election it further galvanized people and gave way to the kind of people who spend all of their time on twitter and are obsessed with it

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

20 years ago there was a clear cut distinction between real life and online, 10 years ago the line between them was being blurred, 5 years ago in the wake of pmurt winning the election it further galvanized people and gave way to the kind of people who spend all of their time on twitter and are obsessed with it

Covid put the nail in the coffin. Now your entire life is online. If you're young and already have trouble distinguishing real life and the web, sitting at home for a year and interacting with people almost entirely online didn't help.

 

[Henry Hill]

Covid put the nail in the coffin. Now your entire life is online. If you're young and already have trouble distinguishing real life and the web, sitting at home for a year and interacting with people almost entirely online didn't help.

yeah and truthfully i don't think it's a generational thing, you will find people of all ages engaging in this. dumb old leftoid/rightoid boomers, 13 year old socialist bipoc lgbtqomgwtfbbq, etc

 

[feedtheoctopus]

This is a recent thought I’ve had. This pertains to both millennials and zoomers.

So to start, in the Middle East and Africa, we’ve seen the rise in terrorist groups since the 90’s. Why? One theory is that when you take a population’s sense of stability (no access to food, shelter, and a stable future) radical ideals are more accepted by said population. The population may not wholly agree with the ideals, but if a group comes in and offers food, shelter, and a future then a majority of that population will quickly accept the ideals if not just for access to food, shelter, and a future.
This can be seen when looking into the history of ISIS. They tend to recruit the most impoverished individuals offering them food, shelter, and a future.

Now we’re seeing it in the US. Older generations had the safety net given to them. They had cheaper education, cheaper housing, retirement funds, and guaranteed social security. However, millennials and zoomers do not have that, and we know we don’t have that. We know we have no future. What do ppl do when they think they have no future? They go balls to wall depressive or destructive. Now we’re also seeing the cost of shelter (housing) and food (hyper-inflation causing a loaf of bread going from $2 to $10 ). rising closer and closer to a point we can’t afford. What do ppl do when they have no food or shelter? Balls to the wall depressive, crazy, and/or destructive.

Using that line of thinking, it makes sense why mass shootings, psychopaths, sociopaths, radicalism, and acts of destruction are becoming more and more prevalent.

TL;DR
American society is creating the next ISIS by making food, shelter, and stable and secure futures unobtainable for Millenials and Zoomers.

There's a book by a Marxist intellectual called Heroes: Mass Murder And Suicide. His argument is basically that the insane competitiveness of neoliberal capitalism and the constant influence of media (social or otherwise) is eroding society and driving people insane. Basically people have no broader social safety net or sense of community anymore, and the only validation of your existence that we culturally acknowledge is wealth and fame.

I think he has a point. As a culture we don't really believe in anything anymore, and we're all pretty isolated from each other. I think that explains in large part both why mental illness and political extremism is becoming more common but also why mainstream politics has descended into pure identitarian infighting. People want a sense of belonging and meaning, but they also don't believe they have any control over the world. There's a quote from the recently deceased David Graeber that, without looking it up because I'm lazy, says something like "the world is something that we create". In context he meant that everything in society is ultimately something made by people that can be changed by people, and that the assumption that our current way of life is some sort of natural law was always an illusion. Most people these days, especially zoomers I talk to, are cynical to the point of nihilism. They don't believe anything matters and that the world is always going to be fucked, so small cultural battles are the only fights they can think of that are worth fighting. It comes off more like an attempt to gain some sort of catharsis rather then to actually change anything. Even when people today are trying to be political they're more often then not just being narcissistic.

I'm a very left wing person, but one thing I love doing is going on r/politics and pointing out that Joe Biden is actually pretty conservative. Because he is, but also because young liberals really get their panties in a bunch when you do that. Same thing with Andrew Cuomo, who until recently was on track to run for president (people last year were calling themselves "cuomosexual" on fucking TV...). Yet to listen to most democratic voters Biden is not only the most progressive person to ever hold office, he's a living saint totally devoid of racism or bigotry. This is obvious horseshit, but I think I know why they cling to this. It's simple: because he pretends to be that when he's talking to them, and in a country that no longer believes in its ability to change anything or to undermine power the only progress most people think is possible is the appearance of progress. I firmly believe most liberals' problem with Trump wasn't the man's actual authoritarian or racist tendencies but that he aired it on twitter.

America wants to feel good about itself, but it also knows it has nothing to feel good about anymore. So we're just getting more and more petty.

 

[Dratchev]

It's really sad that my generation just fundamentally does not understand how to talk to people irl, it's even sadder that all my social skills come from googling stuff like 'how to talk to people'. I basically grew up communicating to people in writing and have an abject hatred for calls of any kind, but talking to people in real life is quite pleasant even if I don't get to do it much. I realised when I was learning to socialise that even if I want to talk to people, everyone on they damn phone anyway.

big problem is the phone bullshit. I keep hoping for an EMP takes out all tech or the sun does it for us with a giant CME. I would welcome it just to watch the gong show that ends up going down as the phone losers flip out cause it no longer works and they have to actually use brains for once.

 

[TheGreatMightyGoo]

I think its because in some sense life has become easier for people and the values and traditions that were held by generations before are slowly watering down in a cacophony of entielment and a disregard for consequances.
I dont really watch much media but whenever there is something on TV (on the ocassion its on) some dumb fuck is jumping about acting like a complete tard with same things happening on social media. Mixing in more factors simmilar to this its no surprise that some zoomers are completely fucked, especially when theyre trying to emulate their favourite freak show.

sorry not the best at describing things at times but basically:

- Social change comes every so often.
- Depending on the social change the next generation may either prosper or decline.

I wont be surprised if in the next 20 years everyone just degenerates to canibalism and sacrificial offerings to the technogods.

 

[Dratchev]

I think its because in some sense life has become easier for people and the values and traditions that were held by generations before are slowly watering down in a cacophony of entielment and a disregard for consequances.
I dont really watch much media but whenever there is something on TV (on the ocassion its on) some dumb fuck is jumping about acting like a complete tard with same things happening on social media. Mixing in more factors simmilar to this its no surprise that some zoomers are completely fucked, especially when theyre trying to emulate their favourite freak show.

sorry not the best at describing things at times but basically:

- Social change comes every so often.
- Depending on the social change the next generation may either prosper or decline.

I wont be surprised if in the next 20 years everyone just degenerates to canibalism and sacrificial offerings to the technogods.

idk thing I been honestly thinking the last several years is we are about to face a large war maybe civil war maybe world war but what ever it will be the biggest shitfest ever seen. its bad enough someone I know who never talks about politics or society quipped to be the other day "man it feels like we are heading for some kind of major war" so im not the only one thinking it.

 

[Sperghetti]

20 years ago there was a clear cut distinction between real life and online, 10 years ago the line between them was being blurred, 5 years ago in the wake of pmurt winning the election it further galvanized people and gave way to the kind of people who spend all of their time on twitter and are obsessed with it

yeah and truthfully i don't think it's a generational thing, you will find people of all ages engaging in this. dumb old leftoid/rightoid boomers, 13 year old socialist bipoc lgbtqomgwtfbbq, etc

Yeah, a lot of people just divide stuff into chronological generations, but it’s more than that. They usually blame smartphones, but I really blame Facebook for simultaneously causing kind of an Eternal September event at the end of the 00’s there and wearing away the separation of online and real life.

People who socialized with others online before that, no matter the age, were often well aware that they were talking to strangers. Kids and teenagers were cautioned never give out your personal info online, because you had no idea who you were actually talking to — That 16/f/california was pretty much guaranteed to be none of these things. I’m not saying you didn’t get the occasional narcissistic weirdo in there who would happily share everything about themselves, but for the most part people didn’t do this. There are no girls on the internet. Nobody knows you’re a dog. This anonymity and this caution was a big part of the divide between “online” and “real life”, and that divide was why people used to joke that the internet was Serious Business.

But when Facebook came along, it did two things: First, it suddenly gave normies like your mom and your high school gym teacher a reason to use the internet to socialize. And second, it gave them the impression that sharing everything about themselves was totally fine and safe because they were just talking to people they already knew.

In my opinion, that’s what really destroyed the boundaries between online and real life. Suddenly we had a ton of people online who weren’t just here to goof off and talk about Star Trek with other like-minded autists all over the world, they were using the it as an extension of their existing offline social connections. That was their first experience being around other people on the internet. There was no difference to them from the start. I honestly think a lot of the conflict we see in online communities these days boils down to the "internet as an extension of real life" people clashing with the "you can turn the computer off at any time and go outside" people.

If we cite the zoomers for anything, it's being the first generation who didn't experience the separation of internet and real life being the norm. It's bad enough being in your 30's when all your friends and family and coworkers just blindly assume that you use Facebook for everything like they do, I can't imagine being in your late teens and early 20's and having to deal with people who don't understand the concept of not using Twitter, Instagram, SnapChat, TikTok, etc.

 

[Getwhatyou]

Perpetual victims. I am seeing them entering the workforce now days.

Thier victim hood makes it very easy to step on them in a work environment. They spin out for the smallest stuff.

Whats happend is that they cry so often that no one in any sort of position listens to the complaints anymore.

The fun part is reminding them that they have signed a contract they requires x amount of work and if you can't perform that then you aren't fulfilling your end of the contract and you will be replaced.

Therefore being a dick that only complains all day how hard do you think it is to push them out? Not very hard at all.

 

[Everynameistaken]

It's bad enough being in your 30's when all your friends and family and coworkers just blindly assume that you use Facebook for everything like they do

This has been a fascinating societal change in my lifetime for sure. I've gone from being the most online person I knew to the least online person I know, despite barely changing my habits at all.

 

[TheGreatMightyGoo]

idk thing I been honestly thinking the last several years is we are about to face a large war maybe civil war maybe world war but what ever it will be the biggest shitfest ever seen. its bad enough someone I know who never talks about politics or society quipped to be the other day "man it feels like we are heading for some kind of major war" so im not the only one thinking it.

I dont know about war in particulalr but it does at times feel like we are currently at a point where big social change will come slowly peaking towards something new but not particularly positive.
But that may it may be me sperging for no reason, but being a 90's kid ive seen a lot of of change within the last few years and its moving at a fast pace, tensions between race and gender relations is displayed more frequantly as well as mental health especially with everything easly recorded.
I think that eventually the loudest voice will win in the melting pot we call modern society but which voice will win we dont know.
agin this is just my tardy oppinion though.