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The media is lying. On COVID, Florida is still doing well

You wouldn’t know it from all the liberal news coverage of Florida’s COVID-19 response, but things are actually pretty good in the Sunshine State.

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The media is lying. On COVID, Florida is still doing well​

You wouldn’t know it from all the liberal news coverage of Florida’s COVID-19 response, but things are actually pretty good in the Sunshine State.

Take it from a guy who just moved back here on purpose. Florida is doing quite well if you’re a resident who has come here to escape heavy-handed state governments and avoid mandatory masking or vaccines. It’s great if you’re fully vaccinated because you run a less than a 1% chance of COVID-related hospitalization or death. It’s even great for the unvaccinated who choose not to get the vaccine and risk facing an aggressive COVID variant — you will be left alone.

Still, news outlets can’t stop talking about how high the COVID cases are among Floridians, stoking ire against Gov. Ron DeSantis’s laissez-faire pandemic response. They seem genuinely frustrated that DeSantis refuses to impose restrictions that would protect the unvaccinated at the cost of the livelihoods of those who have been vaccinated. "Why must he persist," they seem to wonder, "with this dangerous notion that people who want to get vaccinated can, and those who don’t want to don’t have to?"

The answer is quite simple: Because it works.

Florida is sitting squarely in the middle of the pack when it comes to nationwide state vaccination rates. As of Aug. 8, nearly 60% of the state is at least partly vaccinated, while nearly 50% of the state is fully vaccinated.

Kaiser Family Foundation released an analysis showing that COVID breakthrough cases (vaccinated individuals who have contracted COVID) represent less than 1% of those who have been vaccinated nationwide. The percentage of people who have been vaccinated, contracted COVID, and died is even lower.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, meanwhile, has transitioned “from monitoring all reported COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections to investigating only those among patients who are hospitalized or die, thereby focusing on the cases of highest clinical and public health significance.” Why? Because the CDC can only track the people who are being hospitalized by the virus — the vaccine, by and large, is doing its job keeping people no more than asymptomatic if they contract COVID.

As of July 26, the CDC reported 6,239 breakthrough hospitalizations nationwide. Of those patients, 26% of those hospitalizations were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID. Likewise, the CDC had reported 1,263 breakthrough fatalities, of which 24% were reported as unrelated to COVID.

The country is in a better place than it was a year ago. We have three safe and effective COVID vaccines. Anyone over the age of 12 who wants to get the vaccine can get it, and anyone who doesn’t want the vaccine doesn’t have to. Whether or not to be protected against COVID is, and should be, a decision folks can make all on their own. Florida knows and abides by this, even while getting lambasted everyday by the likes of CNN and White House press secretary Jen Psaki.

To be sure, Florida has faced an increase in hospitalizations over the past month. But it’s clear who is getting sick and hospitalized: younger, unvaccinated people. Through a concerted effort by the DeSantis administration to prioritize early vaccinations for Florida’s most prominent at-risk population, 85% of the state’s elderly population (65 and up) have been vaccinated with one or more doses. Conversely, ages 20-39 are only about 45% vaccinated.

As the state’s government has resisted new restrictions amid rising cases, the severity of the delta variant has come front-of-mind to many unvaccinated people. That’s why, in the past two weeks, Florida has seen an increased rate of vaccinations as the highly infectious and perhaps deadlier variant wreaks havoc on those who have resisted the shot previously. The rising case count has also informed other COVID-safe behavior. More individuals are seen sporting masks indoors and, in some cases, even outdoors.

What it boils down to, and what national news outlets can’t stand, is that Florida won’t sacrifice its economy and people’s freedom to protect the unvaccinated. And why should it when everyone has virtually full, unfettered access to the vaccine?

From Washington, D.C., to the Bay Area counties of California, many public health officials are urging or actively re-implementing mask mandates and other COVID restrictions, “regardless of vaccination status.” In the Sunshine State, regardless of vaccination status, you will be left to your own devices. Given the choice of where to live, I’ll take the risk of freedom every time.

Tyler Shanahan (@TylerKShanahan) is a contributor to Young Voices and a Florida native.

 

[LurkTrawl]

There is a guy who creates a thread saying the media is lying about Florida. Thats the totality of my interest. It is horseshit.

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About that...

 

[MadStan]

About that...

Oh boo hoo. One days figures adjusted out of 400 days? Doesn't change the trend? Number of dead? Filing hospitals?

So that's you BIG LIE?

Give me a break and come to the party with something other than a stupid card. That is utterly pathetic.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Oh boo hoo. One days figures adjusted out of 400 days? Doesn't change the trend? Number of dead? Filing hospitals?

So that's you BIG LIE?

Not necessarily, no. It's yet another example that no, these people are definitely neither infallible nor particularly trustworthy.

Give me a break and come to the party with something other than a stupid card. That is utterly pathetic.

I think the guy coming to the party with "a stupid card" would be the mong who sincerely believes that Floridians like myself give one iota of a fuck what you or others who proselytize the church of the Branch Covidians think. Still not even in the top 25 states for deaths iirc, and that's with:
No lockdowns
No muzzle mandates
High population of elderly
Minimal mandates for schools

More to the point, 'the media' have been lying and manipulative from the start about various shit concerning covid. From telling people to go to Chinatown, calling Trump a racist for trying to shut off travel to & from China, expressing concerns about the very same shit they're trying to jab people with because it was Trump pushing for it at the time, the "two weeks to flatten the curve" bullshit, to fudging numbers all over the place, the list goes on and on. You, posting in earnest calling people idiots for not believing a media apparatus that has repeatedly, knowingly published false information for propaganda purposes, have some nerve. It's like you for some reason think that people who don't mindlessly listen and believe this horseshit are all Alex Jones-tier tin-foil hat wearers, and that such people are like this for no fucking reason to boot.

 

[MadStan]

Not necessarily, no. It's yet another example that no, these people are definitely neither infallible nor particularly trustworthy.

I think the guy coming to the party with "a stupid card" would be the mong who sincerely believes that Floridians like myself give one iota of a fuck what you or others who proselytize the church of the Branch Covidians think. Still not even in the top 25 states for deaths iirc, and that's with:
No lockdowns
No muzzle mandates
High population of elderly
Minimal mandates for schools

More to the point, 'the media' have been lying and manipulative from the start about various shit concerning covid. From telling people to go to Chinatown, calling Trump a racist for trying to shut off travel to & from China, expressing concerns about the very same shit they're trying to jab people with because it was Trump pushing for it at the time, the "two weeks to flatten the curve" bullshit, to fudging numbers all over the place, the list goes on and on. You, posting in earnest calling people idiots for not believing a media apparatus that has repeatedly, knowingly published false information for propaganda purposes, have some nerve. It's like you for some reason think that people who don't mindlessly listen and believe this horseshit are all Alex Jones-tier tin-foil hat wearers, and that such people are like this for no fucking reason to boot.

So let me get this straight....

A guy starts a thread saying Florida is doing all OK with Covid. And you back it up. Yet they are setting records, requesting ventilators from the government stockpile, have record cases....

And this is the time you speak up to say it is actually going OK? You don't wait for the low dip on the graphs, no, you wait until they start going to the sky...

And all the doctors, nurses, health department workers, Hospital associations who have been issuing these statements and stats are all in on the propaganda lie?

Alright. Perhaps what is better on here is if you share with us the opioid you are on because I want some.

 

[LurkTrawl]

So let me get this straight....

A guy starts a thread saying Florida is doing all OK with Covid. And you back it up. Yet they are setting records, requesting ventilators from the government stockpile, have record cases....

And this is the time you speak up to say it is actually going OK?

Haven't seen any panic in my area, nor heard of any of this shit. I live here, would think I'd have noticed if this supposedly apocalyptic scenario you describe were going on. No radio announcements, no state of emergency, no mandates of any sort.

You know, maybe I've got a different take because I actually fucking live here.

And all the doctors, nurses, health department workers, Hospital associations who have been issuing these statements and stats are all in on the propaganda lie?

"That has to be impossible because multiple independent sources would never lie about something that directly benefits them. That's absurd!"

Not everything has to be a big conspiracy. Moreover, you're acting as if though both the Florida Department of Health and the governor of the state of Florida, were it really oh so fucking bad to the extent that you claim it is, would apparently just ignore it? Forgive me if I would rather trust the guy who hasn't shit his drawers and turned into a dictator over a very minor illness that was overblown to the cosmos by hysterical retards who mindlessly believe everything they read in a rag that's barely worth wiping your ass with.

Alright. Perhaps what is better on here is if you share with us the opioid you are on because I want some.

I'd say I want whatever drugs you're on, but I can see very clearly that the effects aren't worth whatever high they're giving you.

 

[I-chi]

Haven't seen any panic in my area, nor heard of any of this shit. I live here, would think I'd have noticed if this supposedly apocalyptic scenario you describe were going on. No radio announcements, no state of emergency, no mandates of any sort.

You know, maybe I've got a different take because I actually fucking live here.

"That has to be impossible because multiple independent sources would never lie about something that directly benefits them. That's absurd!"

Not everything has to be a big conspiracy. Moreover, you're acting as if though both the Florida Department of Health and the governor of the state of Florida, were it really oh so fucking bad to the extent that you claim it is, would apparently just ignore it? Forgive me if I would rather trust the guy who hasn't shit his drawers and turned into a dictator over a very minor illness that was overblown to the cosmos by hysterical retards who mindlessly believe everything they read in a rag that's barely worth wiping your ass with.

I'd say I want whatever drugs you're on, but I can see very clearly that the effects aren't worth whatever high they're giving you.

His friends are cheering him on from their faggot bunkers, PM chains, and Discords. He's really the best they're sending, can you believe that? Days of smugposting and nothing to show of it.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

His friends are cheering him on from their faggot bunkers, PM chains, and Discords. He's really the best they're sending, can you believe that? Days of smugposting and nothing to show of it.

They were having a bit of a public circle jerk in the Pillowman thread, but that got boring, I guess. So it's Menotard instead, but he increasingly sounds like a man off his meds.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

but he increasingly sounds like a man off his meds.

[Vocal Fry] Like um, forcing people to take meds is uhh..like Bigoted and stuff..instead of forcing people on drugs we should like um..be celebrating their hashtag neurodiversity. [/Vocal Fry]

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

As a slightly related thing, it's about vaccine hesitancy, but as it deals with the media, it's not a bad take in general.

The tl;dr part:

The same people who told you Brexit would never happen, that Trump would never win, that when he did win it was because of Russian collusion but also because of racism, that you must follow lockdowns while they don’t, that masks don’t work, that masks do work, that social justice protests during pandemic lockdowns are a form of “health intervention,” that ransacking African American communities in the name of fighting racism is a “mostly peaceful” form of protest, that poor and underserved children locked out of shuttered schools are “still learning,” that Jussie Smollett was a victim of a hate crime, that men are toxic, that there is an infinite number of genders, that COVID couldn’t have come from a lab until maybe it did, that closing borders is racist until maybe it isn’t, that you shouldn’t take Trump’s vaccine, that you must take the vaccine developed during the Trump administration, that Andrew Cuomo is a great leader, that Andrew Cuomo is a granny killer, that the number of COVID deaths is one thing and then another … are the same people telling you now that the vaccine is safe, that you must take it, and that if you don’t, you will be a second-class citizen.

Understand vaccine hesitancy now?

Understand why people might think the government and media is full of shit about Florida?

 

[X Pac Heat]

come to the party with something other than a stupid card.

aren't you the retard that watched over an hour of cracked out pillowman even though you absolutely despise him just to tell some kiwis what they already knew?

 

[MadStan]

It should be made clear while Florida is not doing well - it isn't in a state of war either. But the choices there have made for a poor show.

If we look at the number of vaccinated and calculate the number of breakthroughs and deaths likely, and then take into account the size of the population that is unvaccinated and calculate likely infection rates, hospitalizations and deaths, it paints an interesting picture. More pain coming obviously, but that can be said of any state.

Florida may have a rough few months ahead, and in fact the hospitals may be overwhelmed for a while, but it may very well go through a burn out and offer some relief in Winter (Winter being relative for Florida).

This is of course assuming the vaccinated continue to have immunity and not require boosters; and that a new variant doesn't turn up that is worse than Delta.

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

I am in Florida. All I can say is that the vibe is still fine. The feeling is still fine. You can make of that what you will, but IRL, in Florida, it’s like the pandemic didn’t happen, and is barely still happening. UF study just out says that we’re almost at peak, about a week out, and after that, cases are supposed to fall like they did in the UK earlier this year and Florida last September. We’ll see what happens.

But our everyday lived experience is that here most folks seem to feel like it’s going about as well as can be expected.

 

[Billy Beer]

You might want to have a word with the hospitals in your state who are decidedly not in your camp. According to their own statements and own statistics they have released.

Here's a gem from a Florida news outlet. It is kind of like asking in an orchid "can you find an orange to pick?" when someone propositions that in Florida of all places, that Covid "really isn't that bad", when virtually every news outlet is running stories quoting the hospital staff and state staff about the outrageous out of control growth of Covid.

"
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. – COVID-19 cases have filled so many Florida hospital beds that ambulance services and fire departments are straining to respond to emergencies.

In St. Petersburg, some patients wait inside ambulances for up to an hour before hospitals can admit them — a process that usually takes about 15 minutes, Pinellas County Administrator Barry Burton said.

While ambulances sit outside emergency rooms, they are essentially off the grid.

“They’re not available to take another call, which forces the fire department on scene at an accident or something to take that transport. That’s caused quite a backlog for the system.”

On Tuesday, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported the state has surpassed 20,000 for its 7-day average of new cases, a day after the federal agency misreported numbers given by the Florida Department of Health by combining data from the last three days into two.

Hospitalizations rose by more than 1,100 on Tuesday to 14,787 patients with COVID-19, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. More than 47% of ICU beds were taken by about 3,000 coronavirus patients. That number has nearly tripled in the last three weeks."

And this from the Sentinel in Orlando: (keep in mind treatments now with the expertise that has come have increased the chances of saving someone dramatically): Doesn't sound like it is going swell in Florida by anyone's account other than the author of this thread.


COVID-19 hospitalizations surged past 15,000 in Florida on Tuesday with more than 3,000 people requiring intensive care, setting another record as pandemic-related patients continue to fill beds, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

The federal agency reported 15,169 inpatient beds in use for COVID-19 in Florida, representing about 27% of patients at the 231 hospitals that reported data.
HHS showed 3,050 intensive-care beds in use for COVID-19 patients, making up 47% of total ICU beds at reporting hospitals.

The steep rise in COVID patients is putting a strain on some Central Florida hospitals. Brevard County’s three hospital systems are over capacity, the county’s Emergency Director John Scott said on Monday. Hospitals there are implementing surge plans that include the cancellation of elective surgeries and converting regular hospital space into COVID-19 units.

Orlando Health, which operates 12 hospitals and emergency rooms, was caring for 662 in-house positive COVID patients on Tuesday, 119 of whom are in the hospital’s intensive-care unit, hospital officials said. About 9.5% of ICU beds were available at the system’s flagship Orlando Regional Medical Center for the week of July 29, according to the latest data from Health and Human Services.
“Orlando Health is maintaining adequate bed capacity and PPE across our network as we continue to schedule and safely perform necessary medical procedures,” said Kena Lewis, a hospital spokesperson.
HCA is monitoring bed capacity, staffing and supplies at its five Orlando-area hospitals, which include Osceola Regional Medical Center, Oviedo Medical Center and Central Florida Regional Hospital in Sanford,
“We also have access to additional resources ready to deploy through the support of HCA Healthcare and our local, state and federal partners,” said Trip Farmer, a spokesperson for HCA Healthcare’s North Florida Division.
AdventHealth, Central Florida’s largest hospital system, moved to “black status” on July 30, meaning it is postponing non-emergency medical procedures. On Thursday — when it last reported admissions — hospital officials reported 1,350 COVID-19 patients across the system, topping the previous week’s numbers by about 300.
Statistics provided by the Florida Hospital Association display a steep climb in COVID-19 hospital admissions that took off after the Fourth of July holiday. Florida’s surge occurred as the highly transmissible delta variant became the dominant strain of the virus.
The FHA reported 14,787 COVID-19 hospitalizations on Tuesday, slightly less than Health and Human Services. That number is up 1,173 from the group’s Monday report and is 145% higher than last year’s peak on July 23, 2020.

Here are the deaths and everything else for you.

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Deaths follow cases, not the other way around. So look at the figures in a few weeks to see what the cases today represent. And we can thank hospitals for their efforts to save people with treatments now being more than 200% more effective at preventing deaths. If people didn't have treatment of any kind in the hospitals or fancy equipment, the death toll would be vastly greater.

Perhaps you miss the 39,964 deaths in the column over...that would be well over 100,000 without the sophisticated methods and equipment of ICUs and the breathing equipment used to save peoples lives.

In any event, the idea "nothing going on" in Florida is dogs balls false.

To hold that narrative would require living in an alternate universe.

The only thing that smells "funny" is the fact you pick and chose what stats you like to - from sources you claim are all liars. You ignore the Hospital Associations own stats which are in-line with the reported stats also.

You guys also suck at statistical analysis.

You like to use the entire population to come up with your mythical statistics on how lethal something is. Well then, I guess I am glad that you are the other guys on this Florida thread aren't in charge of our CDC or healthcare, because you idiots would also be therefore saying Ebola is 1,000 times less lethal than Covid.

Your ignorance is on full display. Keep typing and ignoring every graph, every Florida republican owned institution, every Hospital announcement, every doctor statements that says the exact opposite of this thread.

"Nothing going on in Florida". Utter horseshit to anyone but a total fool.

There is a guy who creates a thread saying the media is lying about Florida. Thats the totality of my interest. It is horseshit.

And everything. Every source from Republicans, every source from every paper, republican owned or not, every hospital, - every single statistic goes entirely opposite of this statement. Every doctor statement from any hospital, every statistic by the Florida Hospital Association - you name it, the exact opposite.

Why not declare the moon is made of cheese and then argue against others when we can't present a moon rock.

This childish approach to backing an idea that is entirely meritless, especially when sources are quoted and verified, is the type of defensive approach I'd expect from a kid and not an adult. So perhaps you can lay before us all this incredible wealth of information you have that no one else seems to have.

You are dead wrong. Pants on fire wrong. Period. Paragraph.

So let me get this straight....

A guy starts a thread saying Florida is doing all OK with Covid. And you back it up. Yet they are setting records, requesting ventilators from the government stockpile, have record cases....

And this is the time you speak up to say it is actually going OK? You don't wait for the low dip on the graphs, no, you wait until they start going to the sky...

And all the doctors, nurses, health department workers, Hospital associations who have been issuing these statements and stats are all in on the propaganda lie?

Alright. Perhaps what is better on here is if you share with us the opioid you are on because I want some.

It should be made clear while Florida is not doing well - it isn't in a state of war either. But the choices there have made for a poor show.

If we look at the number of vaccinated and calculate the number of breakthroughs and deaths likely, and then take into account the size of the population that is unvaccinated and calculate likely infection rates, hospitalizations and deaths, it paints an interesting picture. More pain coming obviously, but that can be said of any state.

Florida may have a rough few months ahead, and in fact the hospitals may be overwhelmed for a while, but it may very well go through a burn out and offer some relief in Winter (Winter being relative for Florida).

This is of course assuming the vaccinated continue to have immunity and not require boosters; and that a new variant doesn't turn up that is worse than Delta.

All of that for one thread about one set of numbers being changed.

These posts are the definition of damage control/controlling the narrative.

 

[The handsome tard]

Yeah, Florida sucks, thats why everyone is fleeing from blue states towards Texas or Florida...

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

I see that a certain someone in this thread still hasn't learned how to take an L...

 

[LurkTrawl]

It should be made clear while Florida is not doing well - it isn't in a state of war either. But the choices there have made for a poor show.

If we look at the number of vaccinated and calculate the number of breakthroughs and deaths likely, and then take into account the size of the population that is unvaccinated and calculate likely infection rates, hospitalizations and deaths, it paints an interesting picture. More pain coming obviously, but that can be said of any state.

Florida may have a rough few months ahead, and in fact the hospitals may be overwhelmed for a while, but it may very well go through a burn out and offer some relief in Winter (Winter being relative for Florida).

Still doesn't crack the top 25 for deaths. Call me when it does, especially considering we haven't had mask mandates or lockdowns for almost this entire year now, and on top of that have one of the largest populations of elderly in the U.S.

This is of course assuming the vaccinated continue to have immunity

Uh, they don't have immunity. That's been proven about three or four times over by now. Also, again, not a vaccine.

 

[MadStan]

Still doesn't crack the top 25 for deaths. Call me when it does, especially considering we haven't had mask mandates or lockdowns for almost this entire year now, and on top of that have one of the largest populations of elderly in the U.S.

Uh, they don't have immunity. That's been proven about three or four times over by now. Also, again, not a vaccine.

Yes and No.

Florida has a high elderly populace so lower infection is not overly a surprise. But it IS a vaccine. The idea that a vaccine is a going to prevent your body fighting what it is vaccinated against is a myth.

Simply, some vaccines are more effective than others. But it IS a vaccine. Corona viruses are a nice class of viruses that are difficult to create vaccines for, that is all. And there is every reason to suggest that in all likelihood given that it is a coronavirus that the limited immunity will become less effective over time.

 

[Snekposter]

Yes and No.

Florida has a high elderly populace so lower infection is not overly a surprise. But it IS a vaccine. The idea that a vaccine is a going to prevent your body fighting what it is vaccinated against is a myth.

Simply, some vaccines are more effective than others. But it IS a vaccine. Corona viruses are a nice class of viruses that are difficult to create vaccines for, that is all. And there is every reason to suggest that in all likelihood given that it is a coronavirus that the limited immunity will become less effective over time.

It is not a vaccine for the simple reason that vaccines, prior to Corona, prevented infection. These "vaccines" not only do not keep you from getting infected, they allow the virus to propagate and spread from you while you remain asymptomatic, turning you into an active carrier. "Vaccinated" persons are an active health risk towards the "non-vaccinated" as a result of this, potentially spreading the infection without knowing it, and meanwhile you and everyone else insists it is the only way to stop the spread, going so far as to have the CDC quietly erase all mention of natural immunity from their information page on herd immunity. Fuck off back to your hellhole and suck your governor's flaccid cock.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

every single statistic goes entirely opposite of this statement.

Every?

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Excess mortality for Florida is still well below their peak last winter. Roughly where it was in the spring. Way below where it was last year at this time. Looks like a weather related thing as late summer in FL is miserable outside and people crowd in.

The trend is upward but the media is also clearly making mountains out of molehills.

 

[Sanshain]

But it IS a vaccine according to definitions that were all conveniently changed around the same time to specifically include it as one, after it became clear they couldn't keep the evidence that it didn't meet said definitions adequately suppressed.

FTFY.