Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

[Terrifik]

The problem is y'all keep staring at the toaster. It's not gonna pop until you look away. So long as you're prepared for the decision it'll never drop, and so the appeal drags out longer and longer, waiting for the week when no one is particularly paying attention. While everyone is distracted by Chris-chan going on a bloody machine gun rampage through the court house over someone dropping one of his toys, that's when the decision will quietly drop.

Counterpoint: They might just decide to not drop decision until vic or other party dies.
The court KNOWS this case has #meetoo radio activity from when media talked .about it.
unless court grows balls say they are not afraid #meetoo believe all women mob coming for job or family .
we are never seeing the case.

 

[Mr. 0]

Counterpoint: They might just decide to not drop decision until vic or other party dies.

then someone else needs to sue sabat and gen fukunaga and win and get monica rial and jamie marchi thrown on the sex offenders list

 

[ddlloo]

Counterpoint: They might just decide to not drop decision until vic or other party dies.
The court KNOWS this case has #meetoo radio activity from when media talked .about it.
unless court grows balls say they are not afraid #meetoo believe all women mob coming for job or family .
we are never seeing the case.

Countless "#metoo" cases go through the courts every year. You've poisoned your own brain my man.

This is simply a shitheap of a case to navigate because the presiding judge arguably didn't do his job and there are a bunch parties with varying levels of clownworld representation that put out shitty documents.

 

[Allanon]

Counterpoint: They might just decide to not drop decision until vic or other party dies.
The court KNOWS this case has #meetoo radio activity from when media talked .about it.
unless court grows balls say they are not afraid #meetoo believe all women mob coming for job or family .
we are never seeing the case.

I just don't believe this. These are appeal judges deep in the heart of Texas. They're not scared of #metoo - this is a joke of a #metoo case as it is, which is why it gets zero traction from anyone outside of the most incestuous of anime circles - even Chupp isn't scared of the #metoo angle, he's just a lazy ass who is dedicated to get every TCPA case that comes across his desk exactly wrong. I guarantee most of the judges and official people involved in this don't even think of this as a metoo case, because for it to be a metoo case the defendants would actually need to be the aggressors. Instead, this is a man suing people for defamation and them saying "Nuh uh cuz we have a right to defame him!"

Were the case actually #metoo then the Dallas whatever fluff piece would not have backtracked later and written a sympathetic Vic article shortly after. Not even the journalist that portrayed the women as strong victims believes it's #metoo. Not even Monica and the others do, or they'd have gone on the aggressive.

Also to expand on what ddlloo said, if this were a BLM or election fraud lawsuit there would be precedence to say these judges are scared of reprisal, but they'd also react by immediately throwing it out, not ignoring it. #metoo has basically never been an issue for courts at all. They just do their job and don't care about the hashtag.

 

[Endless Trash]

Doing a bit of digging to see what's the oldest on the docket and what there current docket looks like.

The 2nd court of appeals oldest active civil case seems to be filed 5/31/2016, case 02-16-00173-CV. If there's older it was filed prior to December 2010. Seems to be a personal injury suit regarding someone being disfigured while repairing an HVAC unit. Trial court awarded something like 10m dollars in damages, appealed, and affirmed the lower court on 10/18/2018. Filed to the supreme court, they also affirmed and they are now trying to get the supreme court to reconsider.

Were more interested in the oldest case they HAVEN'T ruled on or have been playing hot potato with the supreme court. Including those, and very recent issued opinions there are 45~ cases older than vics on file.

As far as i can tell there are only 4 civil cases that were filed before vics that also don't have a ruling. These are 02-19-156, 02-19-199, 02-19-320, and 02-19-337. Filing dates only tell us part of the story. It seems delaying submission through 15 different motions for extensions is extremely common. Going by the date it was submitted to the court instead we reduce this from 4 to two. 199 and 320 both have been through 2 years of extensions, and corrections and were not submitted before the panel until April of this year. 2 years of back and forth without even being before the panel seems insane.

156 was submitted to the court 12/10/2019, making it both the oldest filed and submitted without judgement. it seems to be a messy legal battle between the city of Arlington and the fire fighters union(s) of Arlington over compensation. The appeal is 418 pages long, and the reply brief is 73 pages long. We can see why from that alone why this is taking so long.

337 was submitted to the court 09/09/2020. This means it was submitted just 2 weeks prior to vic's case. It is a fight over unpaid alimony, specifically 74k in unpaid private school fees he agreed to pay. With interest this is 400k since its been 16 years. The only notable thing about the case is that the appeal was filed by none other than Wick Philips, No lemon on the case so document looks normal and not like the raving of a mad man.

What can this information tell us? Lawyers hate submitting on time and will do anything in there power to not do so. More seriously, I think the court is likely ruling on older cases fairly slowly. A lot of cases filed last year have been ruled on, and the majority of cases from 2019 have been ruled on. Those that have been ruled on from 2019 have submission dates older than vics for the most part. As such we can safely assume that the court isn't avoiding it due to me too or something. Rather just the slow wheels of justice have removed most cases prior and is getting close to vics. If i had to guess, it will probably be ruled on by the end of September.

 

[teriyakiburns]

If i had to guess, it will probably be ruled on by the end of September.

Everyone said that last year, too.

 

[Pie]

They obviously have accounts here and feed off the disappointment created every week from the lack of a ruling, they could of course feed off of the disappointment on twitter but that'll lead to death by excess.

 

[ThatDumbPhilosopher]

I can't find my F5 key, did someone found it perhaps ?

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I can't find my F5 key, did someone found it perhaps ?

Found it!

 

[Allanon]

Everyone said that last year, too.

Everyone said Chupp seemed like a completely reasonable judge uninterested in nonsense, as well. More information and better context give a better idea of what to expect.

 

[waffle]

I think people are unfair to Ty, it's hard to litigate against a crazy lawyer because at the time waisting a bunch of words addressing and calling out all their frivelous bullshit feels like getting drug down to their level. On top of that, there just isn't alot you can do about Chup's bizarre refusal to follow the actual legal standard/test at the hearing.

I expect the decision to be very long with a pile of foot/end notes about the record. This is a case of (comparative) public interest, and the conduct of the parties makes it clear that regardless of what the order says there are likely to be plenty of further motions/appeals. They also have to make a bunch of detailed rulings and fundings in their order because Chup just didn't.

 

[Kendrick]

I think people are unfair to Ty, it's hard to litigate against a crazy lawyer because at the time waisting a bunch of words addressing and calling out all their frivelous bullshit feels like getting drug down to their level. On top of that, there just isn't alot you can do about Chup's bizarre refusal to follow the actual legal standard/test at the hearing.

I expect the decision to be very long with a pile of foot/end notes about the record. This is a case of (comparative) public interest, and the conduct of the parties makes it clear that regardless of what the order says there are likely to be plenty of further motions/appeals. They also have to make a bunch of detailed rulings and fundings in their order because Chup just didn't.

You can be harsh to the man and still be fair.

Yes Ty had to litigate against a lemon. But he also did simple errors and left himself be walked on.

 

[ddlloo]

I think people are unfair to Ty, it's hard to litigate against a crazy lawyer because at the time waisting a bunch of words addressing and calling out all their frivelous bullshit feels like getting drug down to their level. On top of that, there just isn't alot you can do about Chup's bizarre refusal to follow the actual legal standard/test at the hearing.

I expect the decision to be very long with a pile of foot/end notes about the record. This is a case of (comparative) public interest, and the conduct of the parties makes it clear that regardless of what the order says there are likely to be plenty of further motions/appeals. They also have to make a bunch of detailed rulings and fundings in their order because Chup just didn't.

Ty had one quite major fuck up, but other than that the rest is pretty damned minimal.

 

[Endless Trash]

Everyone said that last year, too.

If they did that would have been extremely silly. The case was submitted in late September. Outside of criminal proceedings, the court REGULARLY takes at least 6 months. I suggest by the end of September simply due to the context we have. In all honesty it could take longer but it's already taking longer than most cases on the docket I examined.

All ways, keep a look out for the case numbers I mentioned if your interested in fortune telling. Additionally, pay attention for cases with file format 02-19-XXXXX-CV. These are the cases from the same year. The lower the number in Xs the earlier in the year it was submitted. Vic's case number is 394 for context.

 

[Harvey Danger]

The problem is y'all keep staring at the toaster. It's not gonna pop until you look away. So long as you're prepared for the decision it'll never drop, and so the appeal drags out longer and longer, waiting for the week when no one is particularly paying attention. While everyone is distracted by Chris-chan going on a bloody machine gun rampage through the court house over someone dropping one of his toys, that's when the decision will quietly drop.

But the entire point of this site is to stare at toasters. We keep coming back because they do pop while we watch.

 

[Himedall All-seeing Waifu]

Counterpoint: They might just decide to not drop decision until vic or other party dies.
The court KNOWS this case has #meetoo radio activity from when media talked .about it.
unless court grows balls say they are not afraid #meetoo believe all women mob coming for job or family .
we are never seeing the case.

Don't think the courts are quite that borked yet. They might be waiting for a convenient moment to drop it, or they might just be putting it off until they want to deal with the horror of a case, but it will be done eventually.

I think it will be by end of year, personally.

 

[Allanon]

I think people are unfair to Ty, it's hard to litigate against a crazy lawyer because at the time waisting a bunch of words addressing and calling out all their frivelous bullshit feels like getting drug down to their level. On top of that, there just isn't alot you can do about Chup's bizarre refusal to follow the actual legal standard/test at the hearing.

I expect the decision to be very long with a pile of foot/end notes about the record. This is a case of (comparative) public interest, and the conduct of the parties makes it clear that regardless of what the order says there are likely to be plenty of further motions/appeals. They also have to make a bunch of detailed rulings and fundings in their order because Chup just didn't.

I've said this before as well. Ty did make mistakes, including some painful boomer moments, but the situation is the way it is primarily because Chupp Chupped, and even had Ty behaved like a perfect fictional TV lawyer, I don't think he could have improved his chances on appeal much more than he already is in. The opposing parties are insane and Chupp didn't let Ty actually do his job in court, etc etc. It's just people had memed Ty into an ultra lawyer to defeat the super lawyers and then it turned out he's just a normal lawyer who's a bit of a boomer, so with high expectations comes a big fall. I know some people have said Sam is 'the best' lawyer present, but he had the easiest case and didn't sperg out all over the place about it. He was also helped by the judge being a moron and literally agreed that his client's statement required a finding of facts with the judge. You can say "well he didn't let his client be deposed" but remember that Lemoine didn't plan to allow it either, and it was just a "TOO SMERT 4 U" plot to get more things to defame Vic with and then instantly file TCPA to prevent his clients from being deposed. Lemoine was stupid to allow his to be deposed at all for the hail mary of 'harass Vic, hope to twist his words and defame him into dropping the suit', but it's not a sign of competence from Funi or Marchi's lawyers not to shove their clients in as well so much as them doing it would have been a sign that they struggle to think and chew at the same time.

Sam's also the one who stuck a hidden message into his filings to own Nick, and then ruined half the fun by leaking it to Skye, instead of leaving it to be found by Nick or missed entirely. I personally believe he'll show himself to be as bad as anyone else involved, should he get called back in and given the opportunity to make a clown of himself.

But the entire point of this site is to stare at toasters. We keep coming back because they do pop while we watch.

It's the ingenious trick of this one. They know we'll never stop looking, so they'll never have to rule. Like a game of chicken where no matter what happens, they win.

 

[AnOminous]

Yes Ty had to litigate against a lemon. But he also did simple errors and left himself be walked on.

I have been fairly merciless to Ty mainly on legal geek issues where I felt his errors would be noted and disdained by an appeals court, but I have been fairly careful to note that most of his errors have been entirely stylistic and not substantive. Unlike the Wick Phillips counsel, he has not been outright disrespectful of the court itself.

Even the most head-smackingly what-the-fuck moment was the "fraudulent" affidavits, which weren't fraudulent, but just an incredibly poor execution of notarization, and an example of why you just use an actual notary who does that as their normal job, and not try to be your own even if you have the authorization.

 

[Kendrick]

I have been fairly merciless to Ty mainly on legal geek issues where I felt his errors would be noted and disdained by an appeals court, but I have been fairly careful to note that most of his errors have been entirely stylistic and not substantive. Unlike the Wick Phillips counsel, he has not been outright disrespectful of the court itself.

Even the most head-smackingly what-the-fuck moment was the "fraudulent" affidavits, which weren't fraudulent, but just an incredibly poor execution of notarization, and an example of why you just use an actual notary who does that as their normal job, and not try to be your own even if you have the authorization.

The main error that I remember Ty making, and that I don't know if it was ever fixable is Chupp refusing his binder and then asking Ty to point at evidence in the binder that Lemon gave to the judge.

I would have held my ground but I don't think he can do that to the judge.

 

[Allanon]

The main error that I remember Ty making, and that I don't know if it was ever fixable is Chupp refusing his binder and then asking Ty to point at evidence in the binder that Lemon gave to the judge.

I would have held my ground but I don't think he can do that to the judge.

I'm pretty sure if your judge is an ass all you can do is put an objection on the record about it for appeal. And if I recall, Chupp even told Ty at once point to 'stop objecting'.