Susie Green & Mermaids UK - "Trans Kid Support Charity", Susie had her underage kid get GRS

[Hongourable Madisha]

Someone on Twitter reporting Helen Webberley of GenderGP's Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service hearing. It's supposed to go on for 55 days.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Someone on Twitter reporting Helen Webberley of GenderGP's Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service hearing. It's supposed to go on for 55 days.

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[Prolego]

Someone on Twitter reporting Helen Webberley of GenderGP's Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service hearing. It's supposed to go on for 55 days.

That's a second one that I know of. Danial Webb, who has been doing all those investigations into Webberley's finances and who actually owns GenderGP, is running another here. As far as I understand, he's coordinating a group of people who are each doing a day or two. It's a bit boring at the moment, but all the indications are that Webberley intends to go Full Trump.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

That seems likely, given some of the things she thinks support her.
One of the accusations. Giving a child testosterone after three weeks and none of the necessary checks and balances, and giving it in sachet form and expecting the kid to administer the right (if there is such a thing) dosage herself.

eta: Graham Linehan, Arty Morty and Helen Stanisland had Danial Webb on their show to talk about the case and his work on this. He's a rare journalist actually covering it. He shows up about half an hour in, and he doesn't hold back, he sasses Webberley so much. It's great.

 

[Calculus]

Mermaids received a "data for good" award from for their work with Google:

https://twitter.com/TheDataIQ/status/1420403606336024580?s=20

Re-educating Google
Rapp UK with Mermaids

Transgender children are twice as likely to contemplate suicide if their parents don’t accept them when they come out. But most parents aren’t equipped to handle this life-changing moment and turn to Google for advice.

Many of the search results on Google were misleading and transphobic. The campaign set out to ensure that parents saw honest information when they searched for help, rather than hateful misinformation. This meant directing them to Mermaids UK, a charity and advocacy organisation that supports gender variant and transgender youth.

The unexpected search terms used by parents early in their journeys to find answers were used to tag honest, heartfelt, specially-created video content. So when they went to Google in desperate need of advice, they found this content before they saw inaccurate, transphobic
articles and videos. The aim was to intercept parents before their journeys led to hateful,
misleading results.

The short films – informed by Mermaids UK’s data and insights – tackled the questions parents craved answers to. They offered advice from real experts, including a headteacher
of a school with numerous trans pupils answering, ‘What should my transgender child’s school be doing to help?’ And a legal expert responding to: ‘What should I do if my
transgender child is bullied?’

The more parents found advice, the more search journeys were analysed and the
better the insights became. Content received thousands of views and Mermaids ranked
higher than the NHS for the search phrase: ‘How do I support my transgender child?'

Campaign Media Awards 2021: Best Use of Insight

www.campaignlive.co.uk

 

[Surfin Terf]

Mermaids received a "data for good" award from Google:

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https://twitter.com/TheDataIQ/status/1420403606336024580?s=20

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Re-educating Google
Rapp UK with Mermaids

Transgender children are twice as likely to contemplate suicide if their parents don’t accept them when they come out. But most parents aren’t equipped to handle this life-changing moment and turn to Google for advice.

Many of the search results on Google were misleading and transphobic. The campaign set out to ensure that parents saw honest information when they searched for help, rather than hateful misinformation. This meant directing them to Mermaids UK, a charity and advocacy organisation that supports gender variant and transgender youth.

The unexpected search terms used by parents early in their journeys to find answers were used to tag honest, heartfelt, specially-created video content. So when they went to Google in desperate need of advice, they found this content before they saw inaccurate, transphobic
articles and videos. The aim was to intercept parents before their journeys led to hateful,
misleading results.

The short films – informed by Mermaids UK’s data and insights – tackled the questions parents craved answers to. They offered advice from real experts, including a headteacher
of a school with numerous trans pupils answering, ‘What should my transgender child’s school be doing to help?’ And a legal expert responding to: ‘What should I do if my
transgender child is bullied?’

The more parents found advice, the more search journeys were analysed and the
better the insights became. Content received thousands of views and Mermaids ranked
higher than the NHS for the search phrase: ‘How do I support my transgender child?'

Campaign Media Awards 2021: Best Use of Insight

www.campaignlive.co.uk

I don't think that the award itself comes from Google, I think that the award is for their work with Google. Still horrifying, and the fact that they use the word "Re-educating" just makes it worse, I'd think that by now no one would use that word to describe their own actions because it has so much gulaggage associated with it. Even without that creepy title the content of the article is Orweillian, just openly trying to bury resources that go against the gender identity narrative with Mermaids' hand-picked articles is fucked up.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

and Mermaids ranked higher than the NHS for the search phrase: ‘How do I support my transgender child?'

We manipulated search results to ensure we, who do not include trained medical staff, are more likely to be found than any NHS resources.

You absolute unspeakable cunts. And you're bragging about it. I hope this gets quoted in a fucking court case you lose so hard that the sphincters of a thousand drug pushing pharma reps squeeze shut for 48 hours.

 

[teriyakiburns]

We manipulated search results to ensure we, who do not include trained medical staff, are more likely to be found by any NHS resources.

You absolute unspeakable cunts. And you're bragging about it. I hope this gets quoted in a fucking court case you lose so hard that the sphincters of a thousand drug pushing pharma reps squeeze shut for 48 hours.

The question that nobody (as in media or the people praising this shit) ever considers when they're discussing stories like this: Why is an American company deciding which medical information should be promoted to British people when they're looking for healthcare assistance? Our society and our government both have entirely abdicated responsibility for our decision-making to an unaccountable entity that is advised by other equally unaccountable entities.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

The question that nobody ever considers when they're discussing stories like this: Why is an American company deciding which medical information should be promoted to British people when they're looking for healthcare assistance? Our soceity and our government both have entirely abdicated responsibility for our decision-making to an unaccountable entity that is advised by other equally unaccountable entities.

It'll be far from the only American business pumping information favourable to that company's interests to the front of search results and the UK will not be the only place they're doing it. That's not especially abnormal and when the next profit opportunity shows up they'll leave it in the dust the same as they did with the opioid crisis that led to a period of sustained decline in the average American life expectancy in 2015-2016. Something previously achieved by World War One and Influenza.

Similar issues are occurring with this as with the opioid crisis. The people pushing the ideology claim to be experts and the government and medical staff they are dealing with have minimal if any awareness of the subject or suitable treatments. With the added fact that gender dysphoria is not overly well understood because of how poorly any studies that find the wrong outcomes are received and as Mermaids admit here the efforts of organisations to specifically conceal information that does not fit their "truth" it's trickier still.

It's not really anything that new. Heck in living memory in some businesses people were given additional breaks from work to smoke which non-smokers would not receive. Unsurprisingly plenty of people at those places took up smoking. With places like Mermaid they are cynically manipulating things to ensure that careful assessments of people with gender dysphoria, detransition or refusing to immediately provide medical treatment with limited research into its long term effects is equated with transphobia, science denial or a desire to see children kill themselves.

They argue like Twitter and Stonewall has gone all in supporting them and both groups should be beaten in the streets for their disdain for the dangers involved with their attitudes. The only treatment they are in favour of is telling people they are trans, irrespective of what the actual best decision might be for the individual person's needs.

Long term, putting aside the many issues that people with for gender dysphoria will face, having their treatment messed with by people without any real medical knowledge, a similar amount of psychological knowledge and a refusal to even accept evidence contrary to their attitudes is monstrous and Mermaids being awarded for blocking information to those people, even to the extent of hiding information from the NHS, is like giving someone a medal for their dedicated work in the field of eugenics.

The Kiera Bell case should have been a wake up call and instead Mermaids doubled down. They know what they're doing, we're well past the point where they can claim to be acting with good intentions or anyone should be giving them any sort of benefit of the doubt.

 

[Weeb Slinger]

It'll be far from the only American business pumping information favourable to that company's interests to the front of search results and the UK will not be the only place they're doing it. That's not especially abnormal and when the next profit opportunity shows up they'll leave it in the dust the same as they did with the opioid crisis that led to a period of sustained decline in the average American life expectancy in 2015-2016. Something previously achieved by World War One and Influenza.

After I left the NHS, I worked for a while in the regulation of public healthcare services. It was interesting how many of our followers on Twitter were American healthcare and health insurance providers. These foreign companies had minimal-to-zero interest in what we were doing, and were watching for any signs that parts of the NHS might be moving towards privatization, as is currently the case, and has been for some time. On a brief tangent, anyone who believes that this will result in improved services is kidding themselves. I have seen the way this plays out on a relatively small scale. Public money flows like water into the pockets of companies who may not even be based in the UK, who are difficult to hold to account when things go wrong, and who have the wherewithal to tether you down to a courtroom for years in the event of a major dispute.

It was during this period that I noticed a trend towards the championing trans rights as being very much the progressive thing to do. I am not suggesting that trans people are undeserving of quality healthcare - merely that, when a cause is fashionable, it should be approached with a critical eye; one that places factors such as efficacy and safeguarding at the forefront, over and above good optics on social media. What often happens is that wide-eyed individuals, who have good intentions, but who don't want to be seen as intolerant, will fall over themselves to accommodate charismatic opportunists, or zealots like Susie Green. As an NHS worker, who entered the service at ground level as a volunteer, I was taught to favour empathy over compassion when making decisions. Empathy promotes understanding but takes out the emotional element, allowing for better and more informed judgements.

All this reminds me very much of the manner in with a person with Munchausen's gets themselves admitted to hospital under false pretences. If you don't spot them within the first few hours, prior them getting too much paperwork behind them, then they can be very hard to detect, because the received wisdom is that they wouldn't have been admitted if there wasn't something wrong with them, and surely somebody has already checked that they were on the up and up.

Similarly, once an organisation like Mermaids gains a critical mass of supporters within a company, or in a public body, such as an NHS Foundation Trust or Clinical Commissioning Group, it can be very hard to get everyone to take a step back and examine what is being advocated and whether it is ethical and good for patients. As is clear from these arse over tit Google rankings, when this kind of thing happens in one company or organisation, it can have an undesirable knock-on effect upon others. Ultimately, in this instance, it will result in vulnerable individuals being misled and perhaps suffering irreversible harm.

Even when alarm bells start ringing there is a tendency, either towards blame shifting or a vain hope that, if things are left well alone, then they will somehow sort themselves out. It is a very brave soul who put their career on the line by speaking up. I have seem people manhandled into the field of fire, as sacrificial offerings, for doing far less.

 

[Calculus]

On a brief tangent, anyone who believes that this will result in improved services is kidding themselves. I have seen the way this plays out on a relatively small scale. Public money flows like water into the pockets of companies who may not even be based in the UK, who are difficult to hold to account when things go wrong, and who have the wherewithal to tether you down to a courtroom for years in the event of a major dispute.

They privatised one NHS hospital and it was a disaster and they had to undo it. Staff were pressured to get patients in and out as soon as possible. Other parts have been privatised too and are all terrible. John Pilger did a documentary on it:

The Dirty War on the National Health Service (2019) - IMDb

The Dirty War on the National Health Service: Directed by John Pilger. With John Pilger. Veteran filmmaker John Pilger takes us through a history of threats to Britain's National Health Service ,from its 1948 founding by Labor through a privatizing push by Margaret Thatcher's bureaucrats, to...

www.imdb.com

 

[Sheepcornsworth]

Wow they did it! they made gay conversion therapy progressive!

 

[AfghanBlue]

the very first (or second) OP says suisse green quotes/recorded again of homosexuality ‘ one should never mention it because homosexuality is “a deviant kind of thing”. You can view that video here and judge for yourself.’

however there is no link and i’m having no joy finding anything if the sort as all the search results are just getting the official sites pro mermaids- does anyone actually have this evidence or any related?

@Corn Flakes that Gender GP article re Belize is very good.
if it wasn’t already, it should have been published in Private Eye.
Whenever wrote it / people in general need to stop wasting their energy on anything affiliated with inarguable mug, Glinner, though, as it’s never going to go anywhere and instantly sets people’s hackles up. that really is graham’s own stupid fault but he’s dragging everyone down with him .
if he was actually so hopeless you might even suspect he glows.. then again, maybe he might. father ted came out in the ira years, lol.
perhaps we had some mental russian style just-fuck-it see what happens, surrealist type approach way back when.

seriously though so much important, damning TRA information now, is wasted and instantly smeared with stink, every time it gets near his online presence.

 

[Product Placement]

Our appeal against LGB Alliance’s charity status: We will have a full hearing​

The Tribunal has agreed to hear our arguments as to why the LGB so-called Alliance (LGBA) should not have been given charitable status. This means we, as the main claimant in the case, will have the opportunity to present the full facts as to why LGBA’s activities are not those of a charity. The hearing will take place in May 2022.
The LGBA wanted a separate hearing to determine whether or not we had what’s called “legal standing” – whether we could bring the claim at all. We believe they wanted to close the conversation without having to properly explain themselves. We said that this would only have duplicated work in the long-run, and the Tribunal agreed. The LGBA will still get to argue that our claim lacks standing, but only as part of the wider hearing.
To be registered as a charity, an organisation must be established exclusively for purposes which the law recognises as charitable, and it must pursue them in a way which gives rise to tangible benefits that outweigh any associated harms. We don’t believe that the legal threshold has been met.
We welcome a full hearing. A spokesperson for Mermaids said: “We are pleased that the Tribunal has made the decision that there will be one hearing that deals with everything. We look forward to the hearing where the LGB Alliance will have to explain themselves.
“To be registered as a charity, an organisation must be established exclusively for charitable purposes. LGB Alliance does not stand for LGB rights, but exists to divide our community and denigrate trans people and those who support them.”
In addition to our grounds of appeal, we have now submitted two replies, one to the Charity Commission and now one to LGB Alliance.
We are hugely grateful for your support so far. If you are able to make a donation to the CrowdJustice fundraiser backing our appeal, you can do so here.

Notes to editors​

1. Read the appeal grounds in full as filed here as well as the supporting documents here.
2. Mermaids is a UK-wide charity (registered charity number 1160575) working to support transgender, non-binary and gender-diverse children, young people, their families and the professionals who support them. Our goal is to create a world where gender-diverse children and young people can be themselves and thrive. Services include a helpline, web chat and online forums for parents and young people, as well as face-to-face meet-ups for peer support. We also provide training into organisations and advocate for a fairer society for trans young people.
3. The appeal is being supported by a number of leading organisations, including Good Law Project, the LGBT+ Consortium, LGBT Foundation, Gendered Intelligence and TransActual.
4. This appeal is being crowdfunded.
5. Any media enquiries should be directed to press@mermaidsuk.org.uk.

Our appeal against LGB Alliance’s charity status: We will have a full hearing - Mermaids

A full hearing is due to take place in May 2022.

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Hope Mermaids lose and it backfires on them

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Our appeal against LGB Alliance’s charity status: We will have a full hearing​

The Tribunal has agreed to hear our arguments as to why the LGB so-called Alliance (LGBA) should not have been given charitable status. This means we, as the main claimant in the case, will have the opportunity to present the full facts as to why LGBA’s activities are not those of a charity. The hearing will take place in May 2022.
The LGBA wanted a separate hearing to determine whether or not we had what’s called “legal standing” – whether we could bring the claim at all. We believe they wanted to close the conversation without having to properly explain themselves. We said that this would only have duplicated work in the long-run, and the Tribunal agreed. The LGBA will still get to argue that our claim lacks standing, but only as part of the wider hearing.
To be registered as a charity, an organisation must be established exclusively for purposes which the law recognises as charitable, and it must pursue them in a way which gives rise to tangible benefits that outweigh any associated harms. We don’t believe that the legal threshold has been met.
We welcome a full hearing. A spokesperson for Mermaids said: “We are pleased that the Tribunal has made the decision that there will be one hearing that deals with everything. We look forward to the hearing where the LGB Alliance will have to explain themselves.
“To be registered as a charity, an organisation must be established exclusively for charitable purposes. LGB Alliance does not stand for LGB rights, but exists to divide our community and denigrate trans people and those who support them.”
In addition to our grounds of appeal, we have now submitted two replies, one to the Charity Commission and now one to LGB Alliance.
We are hugely grateful for your support so far. If you are able to make a donation to the CrowdJustice fundraiser backing our appeal, you can do so here.

Notes to editors​

1. Read the appeal grounds in full as filed here as well as the supporting documents here.
2. Mermaids is a UK-wide charity (registered charity number 1160575) working to support transgender, non-binary and gender-diverse children, young people, their families and the professionals who support them. Our goal is to create a world where gender-diverse children and young people can be themselves and thrive. Services include a helpline, web chat and online forums for parents and young people, as well as face-to-face meet-ups for peer support. We also provide training into organisations and advocate for a fairer society for trans young people.
3. The appeal is being supported by a number of leading organisations, including Good Law Project, the LGBT+ Consortium, LGBT Foundation, Gendered Intelligence and TransActual.
4. This appeal is being crowdfunded.
5. Any media enquiries should be directed to press@mermaidsuk.org.uk.

Our appeal against LGB Alliance’s charity status: We will have a full hearing - Mermaids

A full hearing is due to take place in May 2022.

mermaidsuk.org.uk

Our appeal against LGB Alliance’s charity status: We will have a full…

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Hope Mermaids lose and it backfires on them

God I hate them. I can't believe they had in their reply to the LGB alliance the gall to claim they are not organised to promote any particular ideology. Lying twats.

 

[Eat to the beat]

God I hate them. I can't believe they had in their reply to the LGB alliance the gall to claim they are not organised to promote any particular ideology. Lying twats.

I believe that 2022 will bring a concerted effort by the Terven to topple this shoddy front for munchies.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I believe that 2022 will bring a concerted effort by the Terven to topple this shoddy front for munchies.

Long way off yet I think, 2022 is a bit optimistic. There'll be ever more pushback but at this point it's still getting the water to flow uphill point of the fight.

When it does go though it's not going to be pretty and I do hope a lot of people involved get caught up in the backwash. Especially Mermaids since when they go the average standard of care will go up for people who genuinely have gender disphoria too.

 

[ShitInMyMouth]

Long way off yet I think, 2022 is a bit optimistic. There'll be ever more pushback but at this point it's still getting the water to flow uphill point of the fight.

If we want the great Troon backlash it has to start effecting the proles. When some knuckle dragging hooligan has his little angel come running out of a council swimming pool changing room screaming because some “lady” is swinging “her” dick around then this sort of LARPing will end quickly and violently. The politicians can deal with Graham Linehan and a bunch of bourgeois feminist harridans ring snippy online but the great unwashed seething is dangerous to them.

Hope lies with the proles.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

If we want the great Troon backlash it has to start effecting the proles. When some knuckle dragging hooligan has his little angel come running out of a council swimming pool changing room screaming because some “lady” is swinging “her” dick around then this sort of LARPing will end quickly and violently. The politicians can deal with Graham Linehan and a bunch of bourgeois feminist harridans ring snippy online but the great unwashed seething is dangerous to them.

Hope lies with the proles.

It's the reason why I believe Kiera Bell's case was a serious issue for both Mermaids and Stonewall in the UK (and arguably the ongoing strife with JK too). They can gloss over Karen and her rapes and the 60 year old perverts who kiss children and claim to be 5 year old girls. But Kiera's case was big news and also made the NHS look bad in the process and people cannot help but read news about JK when she sets them off on their latest rant about how she wants them all murdered. The live and let live sorts that make up the majority fairly and correctly believe that occasional perverts should not be a reason to damn an entire group. However cases like Kiera's and the frenzied campaign against Rowling look more like an organised movement and those tend to get people's hackles up.

 

[ShitInMyMouth]

It's the reason why I believe Kiera Bell's case was a serious issue for both Mermaids and Stonewall in the UK (and arguably the ongoing strife with JK too). They can gloss over Karen and her rapes and the 60 year old perverts who kiss children and claim to be 5 year old girls. But Kiera's case was big news and also made the NHS look bad in the process and people cannot help but read news about JK when she sets them off on their latest rant about how she wants them all murdered. The live and let live sorts that make up the majority fairly and correctly believe that occasional perverts should not be a reason to damn an entire group. However cases like Kiera's and the frenzied campaign against Rowling look more like an organised movement and those tend to get people's hackles up.

Kiera Bell didn’t make much of an impact. Lefty news papers tried to memory hole it and where it was covered didn’t touch it much because it’s a bit icky.

Your average North FC bloke wasn’t going to care about some darky making her voice gravelly. She can’t have kids? There’s too many of ‘em anyway! Don’t like gender normativity then leave, simple as.

Gender critical stuff generally appears in the Times and the Spectator and I don’t see your average Bazza reading them in his white van of a lunch time.