US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[soy_king]

20 years and trillions of dollar wasted trying to fix that hell hole and the talibans just steamrolled everything in less than a goddamn week, really, what were USA doing there?

Never a day goes by when we don't ask ourselves the same question...

In all seriousness, if the people living in the country have no desire to fight for it, then they're cowardly scum for refusing to defend their hones, and you're an idiot for wasting so much effort trying to get them to give a shit.

 

[Cubanodun]

Never a day goes by when we don't ask ourselves the same question...

In all seriousness, if the people living in the country have no desire to fight for it, then they're cowardly scum for refusing to defend their hones, and you're an idiot for wasting so much effort trying to get them to give a shit.

Even with daddy america doing all the heavy work they just literally got teabagged in less than a week, with american equipment and training, they really did not give a shit

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Never a day goes by when we don't ask ourselves the same question...

In all seriousness, if the people living in the country have no desire to fight for it, then they're cowardly scum for refusing to defend their hones, and you're an idiot for wasting so much effort trying to get them to give a shit.

This, more or less. The Afghani people have the ability to act against it, and whatever their reasoning is, they do not. Perhaps they don't care who rules them, perhaps they don't feel democracy is worth fighting for, perhaps they agree with the Taliban, or perhaps they are simply afraid of the consequences of doing so. But at the end of the day, if the people in the nation won't stand up and fight for it as it exists, then it must change.

Whenever I think of the people who have stood up in Afghanistan to fight for the current government, I think back to this video.

If Afghanistan is a nation of capable warriors, those warriors all clearly went to go fight for the Taliban.

 

[Hackallier]

If Afghanistan is a nation of capable warriors, those warriors all clearly went to go fight for the Taliban.

Afghanistan used to have a tradition of warriors even in the gunpowder age. During British attempts to take over Afghanistan, Afghani rifled snipers shat over British musketeers. That tradition ended up to the tribal warlords that opposed soviets and now oppose the American puppet government.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

I'm leaning towards slaughter, but I'm honestly not sure.

Honestly, what makes me most doubtful about Dems losing badly in the midterms is the fact that so many MSM platforms have talked about it. Any time the MSM covers something, I tend to believe the opposite as a starting position.

 

[Gehenna]

Honestly, what makes me most doubtful about Dems losing badly in the midterms is the fact that so many MSM platforms have talked about it. Any time the MSM covers something, I tend to believe the opposite as a starting position.

If the MSM is talking about how everything is peachy, doubt it or worry. If they are screaming about their oncoming doom, chances are they are trying to rile the base to prevent something nasty.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Even assuming that they have the manpower or can compel local authorities to set up checkpoints at state border crossings, and assume that everyone complies, and there aren't major accidents...its still a practical impossibility. Millions of cars and trucks will have to slow, stop and show documentation and get waved through, creating an apocalyptic travel snarl. The impact on long haul shipping's would be insane!

Again, this assumes best-case, not the reality.

You say that as if though the resulting chaos and damage to the economy that would ensue isn't their goal with a move like that.

they can't do it outright without freaking out independents and more moderate democrats, so they can't explicitly go against court rulings. they'll push court packing and other bullshit, but its surprisingly hard to actually tear down an entire branch of government.

Given that we have Biden and the CDC already openly saying that they know what they're doing is unconstitutional and don't give a shit, on top of musing about yet another unconstitutional move with the interstate checkpoint bullshit, we're at the point that such logic fails imo. The reason that other guy quoted Jackson is because it's a very true statement, all of the power invested in the USSC is legal, not martial. It's nine old lawyers in silk robes versus the national guard and fuck knows what else they'll bring in if they feel it's necessary. It's not even a contest should they go full dictatorial mode.

I'll be clear here, I obviously hope this country doesn't go down that long ugly road, but acting as if though it's an impossibility at this point seems odd.

 

[soy_king]

You say that as if though the resulting chaos and damage to the economy that would ensue isn't their goal with a move like that.

Given that we have Biden and the CDC already openly saying that they know what they're doing is unconstitutional and don't give a shit, on top of musing about yet another unconstitutional move with the interstate checkpoint bullshit, we're at the point that such logic fails imo. The reason that other guy quoted Jackson is because it's a very true statement, all of the power invested in the USSC is legal, not martial. It's nine old lawyers in silk robes versus the national guard and fuck knows what else they'll bring in if they feel it's necessary. It's not even a contest should they go full dictatorial mode.

I'll be clear here, I obviously hope this country doesn't go down that long ugly road, but acting as if though it's an impossibility at this point seems odd.

I never said it's not a possibility, but it would be a scandal of epic proportions, even more than it was then. let's look at this clearly: the democrats campaigned on the idea that Trump ignored the laws and process, implying they would respect them. if they were to then ignore those very same laws and process, they would be alienating entire swathes of the country that aren't completely in lock step with either side, causing them to either vote GOP or not vote at all.

What they're doing now is ignoring dicta, which is technically like ignoring an officer giving you advice to not take your truck over 80. Ignoring a Supreme Court holding would be like running over that officer and doing wheelies with his corpse.

 

[Terrifik]

 

[LurkTrawl]

I never said it's not a possibility, but it would be a scandal of epic proportions, even more than it was then.

Like Obama using FISA warrants to spy on political opposition? Like Hunter Biden being found out to be a middle-man for his dad's influence sales to China and other countries abroad? Like finding out that Fauci not only knew about the gain-of-function research in that biolab in Wuhan but in 2017 said he felt it was a certainty that the Trump administration would face a sudden pandemic? Like dude the list goes on, these people clearly don't fucking care and don't need to anymore.

let's look at this clearly: the democrats campaigned on the idea that Trump ignored the laws and process, implying they would respect them. if they were to then ignore those very same laws and process, they would be alienating entire swathes of the country that aren't completely in lock step with either side, causing them to either vote GOP or not vote at all.

Please give me the date of the last time the DNC - or really the uniparty in general - gave a fuck about hypocrisy? The assholes telling people to get the jab? Said they wouldn't because the Trump admin was behind it's creation right up until they stole the election. Remember Pelosi going to Chinatown saying that it was perfectly fine to not wear a mask? Or the media calling Trump racist for trying to institute a lockdown that involved shutting off travel to and from China? Again, we're past the point where they feel vulnerable, clearly.

What they're doing now is ignoring dicta, which is technically like ignoring an officer giving you advice to not take your truck over 80. Ignoring a Supreme Court holding would be like running over that officer and doing wheelies with his corpse.

And? You say that like it hasn't happened before. It'll be Jackson all over again, and/or depending on how you want to look at it, FDR and the Japanese citizens.

 

[soy_king]

Like Obama using FISA warrants to spy on political opposition? Like Hunter Biden being found out to be a middle-man for his dad's influence sales to China and other countries abroad? Like finding out that Fauci not only knew about the gain-of-function research in that biolab in Wuhan but in 2017 said he felt it was a certainty that the Trump administration would face a sudden pandemic? Like dude the list goes on, these people clearly don't fucking care and don't need to anymore.

Please give me the date of the last time the DNC - or really the uniparty in general - gave a fuck about hypocrisy? The assholes telling people to get the jab? Said they wouldn't because the Trump admin was behind it's creation right up until they stole the election. Remember Pelosi going to Chinatown saying that it was perfectly fine to not wear a mask? Or the media calling Trump racist for trying to institute a lockdown that involved shutting off travel to and from China? Again, we're past the point where they feel vulnerable, clearly.

And? You say that like it hasn't happened before. It'll be Jackson all over again, and/or depending on how you want to look at it, FDR and the Japanese citizens.

It's hard to explain to people who aren't forced to read cases all day, but dicta is not law, it's an instructive guide on what the law may be. it is usually persuasive, but it doesn't have to be.

Kavanaugh stated that he would likely rule that the moratorium is unconstitutional absent clear congressional input. That's not law, that's a prognosis. them breaking it is shitty and will likely result in the moratorium being declared unconstitutional, but its not unconstitutional yet. if the court were to declare it unconstitutional and then they were to ignore that, they'd actually be breaking the law, not just adulterated it to suit their needs.

 

[LurkTrawl]

It's hard to explain to people who aren't forced to read cases all day, but dicta is not law, it's an instructive guide on what the law may be. it is usually persuasive, but it doesn't have to be.

Kavanaugh stated that he would likely rule that the moratorium is unconstitutional absent clear congressional input. That's not law, that's a prognosis. them breaking it is shitty and will likely result in the moratorium being declared unconstitutional, but its not unconstitutional yet. if the court were to declare it unconstitutional and then they were to ignore that, they'd actually be breaking the law, not just adulterated it to suit their needs.

That's cool and all but my point had jack and shit to do with whether or not it was dicta or an actual ruling.

 

[soy_king]

That's cool and all but my point had jack and shit to do with whether or not it was dicta or an actual ruling.

what you're saying is true, but you forget that democrats only make up 30% of the electorate. they have yet to actually explicitly break the law, because they hopefully understand that would be the end for them as a legitimate political force. They are getting dangerously close, but they're not there yet, and frankly, this conversation is bordering on paranoia.

 

[LurkTrawl]

what you're saying is true, but you forget that democrats only make up 30% of the electorate.

2020 presidential election called...

they have yet to actually explicitly break the law,

FISA courts for spying on opposition. Biden being found selling access to foreign nationals. Hillary and the Uranium One deal. Hell, Hillary and destroying her blackberry and other electronic devices before they could be collected as evidence. I'm not going to sit here and list every single time they've done as such, I hope you get the gist.

because they hopefully understand that would be the end for them as a legitimate political force. They are getting dangerously close, but they're not there yet,

I ask again to tell me when the last time they gave a fuck about that was.

and frankly, this conversation is bordering on paranoia.

Frankly I'm getting a bit sick of thought-terminating shit like this when people start getting skeeved out at the possibility that we might just be in a position where we're fucked. There's a big difference between pointing out that a major political party has gone full "give no fucks", and thinking the alphabet agencies are out to get you personally. One's paying attention, the other is mental illness.

 

[soy_king]

2020 presidential election called...

You realize independents vote dem too, right?

FISA courts for spying on opposition. Biden being found selling access to foreign nationals. Hillary and the Uranium One deal. Hell, Hillary and destroying her blackberry and other electronic devices before they could be collected as evidence. I'm not going to sit here and list every single time they've done as such, I hope you get the gist.

backroom deals and swamp politics is not the same as openly violating the law.

I ask again to tell me when the last time they gave a fuck about that was.

when Roberts struck down ACA provisions tying preexisting medicaid funding to medicaid expansion, Shelby County v holder, and a slew of other decisions that went poorly for dems

Frankly I'm getting a bit sick of thought-terminating shit like this when people start getting skeeved out at the possibility that we might just be in a position where we're fucked. There's a big difference between pointing out that a major political party has gone full "give no fucks", and thinking the alphabet agencies are out to get you personally. One's paying attention, the other is mental illness.

yes, there's a difference, but there's still some subtlety regarding the former. it's as Gehenna likes to bring up about political capital. Openly telling the American people you plan on violating the law is like selling your children into slavery because you've accrued that much debt levels of insufficient capital.

 

[X Prime]

Openly telling the American people you plan on violating the law is like selling your children into slavery because you've accrued that much debt levels of insufficient capital.

Ah, I see your error. You think 2021 Dem die-hards possess the sentience to qualify as people.

A bold position, Cotton. Let's see how it works out for him.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

@soy_king I'm not sure you fully grasp the issue here.

They really, really do not give a shit any more. Biden's handlers straight up admitted the CDC ruling was unconstitutional but said 'fuck it, we'll do it anyways'. Just like Obama with DACA.

They have no more respect for SCOTUS than they do for anything else. And they will not stop unless someone makes them stop.

 

[X Prime]

You do realize you're talking to a lawyer, right?

I would instead try the argument that they're violating the spirit of the law and not the letter.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

@soy_king I'm not sure you fully grasp the issue here.

They really, really do not give a shit any more. Biden's handlers straight up admitted the CDC ruling was unconstitutional but said 'fuck it, we'll do it anyways'. Just like Obama with DACA.

They have no more respect for SCOTUS than they do for anything else. And they will not stop unless someone makes them stop.

And Scotus will refuse to make them stop, because Kavannagh is a coward, as is Barrett, and Roberts has been compromised for who even knows how long. Maybe he finds it comforting. Haven’t the slightest clue why though.

 

[CarlosDanger]

Biden rejected Mississippi's request for a military medical ship.