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Michael Dorn did.
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Michael Dorn Talks Trek, Kickstarter & More, Part 1
Michael Dorn Talks Trek, Kickstarter & More, Part 1
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Dude spent like six seasons watching her prance around in that pretty revealing leotard. I'd have wanted a storyline excuse to bang her too.
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Worf pulled a lot of tail. A fact Dorn is always quick to remind us of.
Consider this: Scott Bakula is the biggest evangelist for "A Night in Sickbay". He has lots of lines and gets to make out with actresses half his age.
TNG women had an uncanny valley about them, whereas Terry is less repressed.
Sirtis doesn't smile, unless it's in a gag reel. Dorn saw a side to her which we rarely did.
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I wouldn't have minded a Troi/Worf romance either, but it was something they started too late when the show was already wrapping up to end. A good time to start that relationship was around the time when Troi was helping Worf with Alexander (during that visit from Lwaxanna). Guinan said that a few women on board could consider him "tame", so that was something they could have also used.
Problem is, TNG really wasn't for (npi) exploration of relationships and I think that's fine as it is. Troi/Worf could have felt as out of place like Troi/Riker or Picard/Bev. An occasional date for the main officers was fine for what really offered us: looks like romance in TNG serves more to present how much these people have to give up in order to advance their careers. At least that's how it is with Picard. Not counting Beverly, both Vash and Lt. Cmdr. Looks Like Bev indeed served to show that Picard isn't lying when he says his duties as a Captain don't mix with the life of a family man. With Troi is something similar: she likes and wants the career she wants despite her mother would think she would be better having a husband and children. She wants those too, but not yet.
Problem is, TNG really wasn't for (npi) exploration of relationships and I think that's fine as it is. Troi/Worf could have felt as out of place like Troi/Riker or Picard/Bev. An occasional date for the main officers was fine for what really offered us: looks like romance in TNG serves more to present how much these people have to give up in order to advance their careers. At least that's how it is with Picard. Not counting Beverly, both Vash and Lt. Cmdr. Looks Like Bev indeed served to show that Picard isn't lying when he says his duties as a Captain don't mix with the life of a family man. With Troi is something similar: she likes and wants the career she wants despite her mother would think she would be better having a husband and children. She wants those too, but not yet.
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A question for all Trek fans out there; Do you have favorite episodes (can be from any of the seriesesess) and why? Did it hit you in the feels? Or did you just like hoping to catch Jerri Ryan's or Miriana Sirtirs's nipples through their tight outfits?
Personally, the episodes from TOS I love: "The Conscious of the King" Kirk doesn't have to chase the girl.. she comes onto him...just so she can kill him later. The main plot though is how we would deal with someone who had to make decisions like Kodos (the "executioner") Everyone vilified him...but he was faced with an ultimate Koybyashi Maru. Our perceptions of people we deem "monsters" can change when we find out what few options they were left to face. Plus, the 19 year old, blonde girl hitting on Kirk gave us a lot of innuendos that amazed me got past the network censors 50 years ago.. they are that obvious.
"A Private Little war" is an interesting summation of the cold war and its effects on cultures who get sucked into it.. And Kirk did not get the girl...nor did he actually win...but he didn't loose either.
"Return of the Archons" Roddenberry was an avowed atheist. Rumor has it, he had tried to write episodes where Kirk, Spock and McCoy literally kill the God of Abraham.. This was one of those attempts trying to slip it in sideways IMHO
Personally, the episodes from TOS I love: "The Conscious of the King" Kirk doesn't have to chase the girl.. she comes onto him...just so she can kill him later. The main plot though is how we would deal with someone who had to make decisions like Kodos (the "executioner") Everyone vilified him...but he was faced with an ultimate Koybyashi Maru. Our perceptions of people we deem "monsters" can change when we find out what few options they were left to face. Plus, the 19 year old, blonde girl hitting on Kirk gave us a lot of innuendos that amazed me got past the network censors 50 years ago.. they are that obvious.
"A Private Little war" is an interesting summation of the cold war and its effects on cultures who get sucked into it.. And Kirk did not get the girl...nor did he actually win...but he didn't loose either.
"Return of the Archons" Roddenberry was an avowed atheist. Rumor has it, he had tried to write episodes where Kirk, Spock and McCoy literally kill the God of Abraham.. This was one of those attempts trying to slip it in sideways IMHO
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Frame of Mind comes to... mind for favorite episodes that aren't often cited as the best of that season. My only complaint is that it would have made for a better Troi episode than a Riker episode, but whatever. The Defector has my favorite James Sloyan character, who is as good as David Warner IMO.
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I've written about "The Defector" and "The Chase" before. Whoever wrote those shows really gets what the TOS Romulans were about.
Everyone talks about "The Visitor", but "Children of Time" has so many poignant moments for me. Not for nothing did Plinkett showcase it in his Picard video.
"Rocks and Shoals" is another one with lots of character moments: not a single crew member is wasted.
The shot of Keevan standing over the bodies of his men says it all. He is exactly the type of guttersnipe to send others into war.
My other favorite is "Treachery, Faith, and the Great River." Divorced from the Damar-Weyoun catfights (comedic gold), it's really interesting to see Odo bond with a hated enemy before cradling his body.
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My favourite TOS episodes are The City on the Edge of Forever, Patterns of Force, Space Seed and Mirror Mirror.
The City on The Edge of Forever is a good piece of science fiction, and is written in a way that makes it seem as though the crew was always supposed to travel back in time and basically kill Edith to keep America in World War II.
Patterns of Force is just a fun episode that has Spock, Kirk and McCoy dressing as Nazis on a Nazi planet.
Space Seed sets up my favourite movie of all time.
Mirror Mirror is another fun one. It came at just the right time when you knew the characters enough to have fun with evil versions of the characters. I love the idea that Spock is so logical that evil Spock is just regular Spock with a goatee.
For TNG I'd say it's a toss up between The Inner Light, Chain of Command and Best of Both Worlds. I haven't watched TNG as much as TOS though.
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it sounds like that writer "borrowed" from the movie: "Enemy Mine"
I love "Patterns of Force" because they showed exactly how easy it is for people to get into the mob rule far too easily
"City on the Edge of Forever" Time Travel done right.
I rememeber a handful of TNG episodes; "Chain of Command" is one of them. but that's about it.
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Not.... really. Enemy Mine is the two characters forced together by circumstance. TF&tGR has Weyoun seek Odo out to deliver news.
Also a great subplot of Nog working with O'Brien in his best "miles must suffer" story yet.
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I never watched much of TOS because it always felt hokey. Entertaining at times but hokey.
TNG was different for me. My favorite episode is Measure of a Man that decides in a trial whether or not Data is a sentient being. Riker’s argument to Data being an object is compelling but Picard’s impassioned speech about Data being a person convinced me. It also showed how ordinary people can be ground up by a mostly uncaring system and it’s those close to you that will help you come out intact.
TNG was different for me. My favorite episode is Measure of a Man that decides in a trial whether or not Data is a sentient being. Riker’s argument to Data being an object is compelling but Picard’s impassioned speech about Data being a person convinced me. It also showed how ordinary people can be ground up by a mostly uncaring system and it’s those close to you that will help you come out intact.
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I could yarn on about every TOS episode I find engaging but I'd be here for a long time. Two stand out to me though, because they became my favorites at different times in my life.
First is The Doomsday Machine, which I had on tape as a kid and watched fairly often. I dunno why I became attached to this one at a young age, but it has a lot going on compared to other episodes (the wrecked Constellation, the Planet Killer, the spacebattle in the middle, the power struggle in between, its own unique score). Even watching it as an adult I find it really engaging, the story doesn't waste any time, and the dialogue is quick and snappy. Even years later I was noticing little details when I'd rewatch it (like the first time the Planet Killer fires on the Enterprise, it was the instant they dropped their shields to beam up the away team). I've rewatched it a few times with other people too and they're always glued to it, in particular people seem to love to see Scotty saving the day and Windom's performance as the crazy Commodore.
It was also the first episode I read up on a lot of production information on, like how they designed the Planet Killer, how the writer was irritated with changes made to the story, and the hostility on the set between Shatner and Nimoy demanding more lines and changes to the script (which explains the snappy eidting, there's actually a line where they cut Shatner off by accident). So it was really my introduction to that too, even though I knew some random background details before that.
Second would be A Taste of Armageddon, which I caught on TV when I was 17 just before I moved out for college. I hadn't started torrenting whole TV shows yet so I hadn't actually seen the whole show, and this was before streaming services were super reliable so it was my first time catching the episode. I was just coming off a big Fallout/Dr. Strangelove phase, so I loved the mutually assured destruction premise of the episode. I loved watching Kirk run around and fuck with this alien civilization, with good cause, and the part where he orders the destruction of the planet's surface genuinely shocked me. It has a great Kirk speech too. It remains my favorite behind The Doomsday Machine.
Everyone loves The Trouble With Tribbles and it might be the best episode of Trek ever made, but to me it'll always be the only episode of Star Trek my little sister would watch with me when we were kids.
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I will forever find "Spock's Brain" to be one of my all time episodes of any Trek incarnation.
Yes, the story and dialogue are super silly: "Brain! Brain! What is 'Brain''?
It embodies everything that Roddenberry pitched Star Trek to be; cheesy with a strong morality tale. I love the premise of a culture once dependent upon technology .. years later to be even more dependent upon it without knowing how it actually works.
PS, don't hate me, but I find "Trouble with Tribbles" to be trite. Not bad as "Bread and Circuses" or "A Piece of the Action" ..or worse: "The Omega Glory"
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I was refering to just the image of Dennis Quaid holding his enemy while he dies... the rest of the story is different..but that image is pretty powerful. ((granted, not the first time it's been done in movies..but I like to take cheap shots now and then)
Yes, the story and dialogue are super silly: "Brain! Brain! What is 'Brain''?
It embodies everything that Roddenberry pitched Star Trek to be; cheesy with a strong morality tale. I love the premise of a culture once dependent upon technology .. years later to be even more dependent upon it without knowing how it actually works.
PS, don't hate me, but I find "Trouble with Tribbles" to be trite. Not bad as "Bread and Circuses" or "A Piece of the Action" ..or worse: "The Omega Glory"
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I was refering to just the image of Dennis Quaid holding his enemy while he dies... the rest of the story is different..but that image is pretty powerful. ((granted, not the first time it's been done in movies..but I like to take cheap shots now and then)
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The problem is that there is so much Berman Trek. It's hard to reconcile the differences with TOS, even with the hundred-year leap. Nu Trek is something else again.
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At least Skip Homeier ( Sevrin ) had a better role in Patterns of Force
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Midway through second watch of TNG season 2 and just finished The Royale, there are so many good lines in that I forgot about. Picard and Troi talking about the book as well as Riker's line about buying the casino are great. I wonder what they would have done with Pulaski if they kept her on past S2, she really grew on me by the end of it.