Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

Remember when Israel announced that they are going to invade by land, got the media repeating it and then buried several terrorists below tons of earth? Here it's the opposite, the Americans give the Taliban just about every advantage by announcing their next move.
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There's not really any way to know. Governments can tell you about military personnel and diplomats but actual civilians like humanitarians, business folks, journalists and danger tourists are more difficult to track, especially if they went in through other countries.
Multiply this by the total number of Western countries and it's sheer chaos. Could be anything from a few hundred to tens of thousands.
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NGOs get what they fucking deserve.
 
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So question, does anyone think that a renewed US intervention is possible? The appetite seems to be there-if not amongst the general public, we have everyone from NPR to John Bolton wailing up about how the Taliban are going to oppress women and terrorists will return and whatever.

Even now, 5,000 troops have been sent or will be sent to Kabul. Maybe I'm just cynical, but it seems to me the US might just re intervene and keep the government from falling, because to do otherwise is simply too much of an L for both the government and our ruling classes to take.
 
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So question, does anyone think that a renewed US intervention is possible? The appetite seems to be there-if not amongst the general public, we have everyone from NPR to John Bolton wailing up about how the Taliban are going to oppress women and terrorists will return and whatever.

Even now, 5,000 troops have been sent or will be sent to Kabul. Maybe I'm just cynical, but it seems to me the US might just re intervene and keep the government from falling, because to do otherwise is simply too much of an L for both the government and our ruling classes to take.
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And the ensuing clusterfuck resulting from sending our boys and girls into the hot zone without any kind of plan is going to cause a serious upheaval back home, especially with how many people are wound up and pissed off about the continuing COVID lockdowns and mandates and the 2020 election fuckery.
 
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Shamash said:
So question, does anyone think that a renewed US intervention is possible? The appetite seems to be there-if not amongst the general public, we have everyone from NPR to John Bolton wailing up about how the Taliban are going to oppress women and terrorists will return and whatever.

Even now, 5,000 troops have been sent or will be sent to Kabul. Maybe I'm just cynical, but it seems to me the US might just re intervene and keep the government from falling, because to do otherwise is simply too much of an L for both the government and our ruling classes to take.
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There might appetite now, but I doubt any pollie wants to be the representative responsible for extending what is basically Vietnam 2 and re-entering a forever war without support from other coalition partners. Afghanistan is said to be the graveyard of empires, and extending US intervention there without any real plan for 'nation building' is only going to hasten the decline of the US Empire.
 
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Its an AP pic not some rando twitter shot. Its to kino a shot not to be everywhere tomorrow.
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Those 5000 troops wont do shit now but get trapped there. To late.
 
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Shamash said:
So question, does anyone think that a renewed US intervention is possible? The appetite seems to be there-if not amongst the general public, we have everyone from NPR to John Bolton wailing up about how the Taliban are going to oppress women and terrorists will return and whatever.

Even now, 5,000 troops have been sent or will be sent to Kabul. Maybe I'm just cynical, but it seems to me the US might just re intervene and keep the government from falling, because to do otherwise is simply too much of an L for both the government and our ruling classes to take.
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people right now are asking for a intervention. in a month when the bodies start piling up... people would hate it again. Biden and the CIA, military etc fucked this up royally as they had the opportunity for a far more gracious exit plan. even if it just meant maintaining Bagram airforce base too ensure a safe and orderly exit for Embassy staff etc.
 
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Shamash said:
So question, does anyone think that a renewed US intervention is possible? The appetite seems to be there-if not amongst the general public, we have everyone from NPR to John Bolton wailing up about how the Taliban are going to oppress women and terrorists will return and whatever.

Even now, 5,000 troops have been sent or will be sent to Kabul. Maybe I'm just cynical, but it seems to me the US might just re intervene and keep the government from falling, because to do otherwise is simply too much of an L for both the government and our ruling classes to take.
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No, there will not be any renewed intervention. Not even if the talebans start deadnaming troons.
 
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Shamash said:
So question, does anyone think that a renewed US intervention is possible? The appetite seems to be there-if not amongst the general public, we have everyone from NPR to John Bolton wailing up about how the Taliban are going to oppress women and terrorists will return and whatever.

Even now, 5,000 troops have been sent or will be sent to Kabul. Maybe I'm just cynical, but it seems to me the US might just re intervene and keep the government from falling, because to do otherwise is simply too much of an L for both the government and our ruling classes to take.
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The US military has basically purged itself of the kind of men that can win them wars. They attracting cannon fodder and concerned with trannies and gay shit.

I just want the next medal of honor to include a mission where you play as the Taliban ready to storm the US Embassy like the Soviets stormed the Reichstag in Call of Duty World at War.

That puppet infidel government in Kabul has had its last breathe and time for the flag of 100 decades of jihadi rage to replace the flag of faggots and woke nigger lovers at the embassy.
 
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Too late for that now. The Taliban control 95% of the country so to intervene now would mean to re-invade from scratch.

Much easier for the rulers to cluck about how it was all Trump's fault and something something Handmaid's Tale
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Yeah twitter was actually pretty fuckin' based for most of the day, and then I guess they got their orders because suddenly the only thing you could see was a bunch of blue check shills with mental-wheels-a-spinning working out how this is somehow Trump's fault
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On the other hand, seeing such a huge number of organic comments being dismissive and celebratory was rather whitepilling.
 
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Yeah twitter was actually pretty fuckin' based for most of the day, and then I guess they got their orders because suddenly the only thing you could see was a bunch of blue check shills with mental-wheels-a-spinning working out how this is somehow Trump's fault
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On the other hand, seeing such a huge number of organic comments being dismissive and celebratory was rather whitepilling.
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Attempting to own bad orange man is more important than something so trivial as a historically significant humiliation of the US, didn't you know?
 
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Kabuls is pretty much encircled by now. Green areas are in firm control of Taliban, green flags are areas recently conquered by TB. Green rifles are ongoing fights/surrenders. They control parts of Kabul by now.

EDIT fun fact, someone editing the map keeps removing TB control of eastern parts of Kabul, and someone else keeps reinstating it.
 
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Screamer said:
Has anyone got a good breakdown on if Trump's withdrawal was planned any differently? I just see people going, "But it was Trump's plan, it'd have been worse if they left on May 1st."

I read somewhere that when Biden didn't stick to that May 1st date the Taliban then just started conquering. Was that just always going to be the day they started to retake the country?
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Trump's plan included a treaty ensuring things would go more smoothly, Biden violated the treaty so it went to hell
 
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It doesn't have the same ring of desperation as Saigon did.
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Ironic, considering how chaotic it's been with western nations scrambling to send in evac teams for their own citizens/personnel/refugees after they didn't have the foresight to have any sort of contingency plan in place.

In 1975, the US actually had a plan to get out of there. Not so much in 2021.
 
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