Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

XYZpdq said:
it was some other pop song from around then, maybe that superman song?
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I thought that was just the parody version. You know, the one by SFDebris?

Did they really go to air with 3 Doors Down? Jesus.
 
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tigergrinder said:
Y'know I was thinking the other day of a potential Trek show, but how to make it cool and fun. I liked what Voyager did where it assembled it's crew, kinda like in Mass Effect. So here's my pitch:

The Federation suddenly falls to pieces. In a matter of days, all alliances are shattered. Any ship currently out in space is on their own. "No man is an island" doesn't apply. Over the course of weeks, these ships, whether on their own or in small flotillas, have formed tribes. They all have to become self-sufficient. Starbases are claimed quickly; territories are plotted out; skirmishes break out. Allegiances aren't to races anymore, they're to ships.
So The Enterprise has to go around and reunite the ships and attempt to form a new Federation.

Whaddya think?
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I don't think the grim-dark direction has been good to Trek short or long term. DS9 had mostly the right balance in later seasons by having the setting be dark, but the characters weren't naturally in that grim-dark, nihilistic state. Even seasons 7 had that baseball episode. Sisko has the reputation of nuking a planet and working with Garak to assassinate a Romulan senator, but he wasn't always the muthafucking Sisko. He tried to be a good dad to Jake, played baseball as a hobby, and even stopped Leyton's coup even though Leyton was right. The way most writers write now, they'd ALL try to be Ronald Moore, not D.C. Fontana.
 
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JamesFargo said:
I thought that was just the parody version. You know, the one by SFDebris?

Did they really go to air with 3 Doors Down? Jeaus.
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I don't recall for sure exactly what song it was, but I def recall at one point heading into Ent that nerd buddies and I were at other nerd buddy's place and he was like "woah holy shit bros I got the Enterprise theme are you hype I'm hype yeah brah" and he played the mp3 and it was some shit that was already on the radio, and we were all "that's that song we already heard" and he threw an atomic spaz over it because somebody online told him it was never heard anywhere else
if it wasn't that Superman song, it was similarly wuss music like the Ent theme

as for more Lower Decks, I've seen a couple of clips here and there and I'll give credit, I did chuckle at the guy doing the double-fist Kirk move and it was super effective.
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I don't think the grim-dark direction has been good to Trek short or long term. DS9 had mostly the right balance in later seasons by having the setting be dark, but the characters weren't naturally in that grim-dark, nihilistic state. Even seasons 7 had that baseball episode. Sisko has the reputation of nuking a planet and working with Garak to assassinate a Romulan senator, but he wasn't always the muthafucking Sisko. He tried to be a good dad to Jake, played baseball as a hobby, and even stopped Leyton's coup even though Leyton was right. The way most writers write now, they'd ALL try to be Ronald Moore, not D.C. Fontana.
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I wasn't thinking it would be totally grimdark. More like... remember how in Voyager, everyone had to live hand-to-mouth for a good, long time? And even though they were totally on their own, there were still some "haha space is wacky" episodes? I was thinking like that tone. Or else, the series would start out grimdark, but eventually become more and more optimistic and inspiring. Like they'd help one ship, and maybe that ship wouldn't want to join them, but one crew member would join them, and they were a specialist that the Enterprise badly needed. Something like that.
 
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Tasty Tatty said:
I would ask for an animated Voyager show. We never were told what happened with the crew after they returned home and I think that's something we really deserved to know after seven years.
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We know a bit from Picard, though not everyone likes it. Seven became a sexy lesbian, and kept her family ties with Icheb. From the TNG movies we know Janeway becomes an admiral.

I gather the field commissions that Janeway granted were formally recognized by the Federation from Pathfinder onwards. Tom Paris was likely already fully pardoned and recognized as a full officer, since he was serving with distinction on a ship that was thought lost.

In Endgame, the B'elanna of that timeline is a diplomat on Qo'nos, so maybe she'll do the same. Tuvok would have returned home to Vulcan for treatment, and to be with his wife and family . I'm sure Kim finally got promoted. The doctor would be a technical marvel and studied extensively, a program that became a robust individual. In one timeline he even gets married. I'd like to think Chakotay would organize a maquis memorial, or he'd spend his days getting high using that glowbox to induce 'spirit visions.' Haha Vulcans have logic, and native americans have getting high and telling simple metaphors about animal spirits.
 
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m1ddl3m4rch said:
We know a bit from Picard, though not everyone likes it. Seven became a sexy lesbian
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Which was done better in "Body and Soul", by the way.

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m1ddl3m4rch said:
I'm sure Kim finally got promoted.
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Kim returned home to find that everyone had already forgotten about him. His old girlfriend and moved on and married someone else, His parents sold their home and moved away. He happened upon a memorial for Voyager to find his name wasn't listed among those lost on the ship, he even attended a Voyager reunion and his old shipmates struggled to remember who he was.

By all accounts Enisign Kim was forgotten. Some say he never existed at all.
 
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tigergrinder said:
Y'know I was thinking the other day of a potential Trek show, but how to make it cool and fun. I liked what Voyager did where it assembled it's crew, kinda like in Mass Effect. So here's my pitch:

The Federation suddenly falls to pieces. In a matter of days, all alliances are shattered. Any ship currently out in space is on their own. "No man is an island" doesn't apply. Over the course of weeks, these ships, whether on their own or in small flotillas, have formed tribes. They all have to become self-sufficient. Starbases are claimed quickly; territories are plotted out; skirmishes break out. Allegiances aren't to races anymore, they're to ships.
So The Enterprise has to go around and reunite the ships and attempt to form a new Federation.

Whaddya think?
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So Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda mixed with Voyager's "the Void" episode?

Maybe.

Let's just all admit we want them to do Voyager but play it straighter this time.
 
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tigergrinder said:
Y'know I was thinking the other day of a potential Trek show, but how to make it cool and fun. I liked what Voyager did where it assembled it's crew, kinda like in Mass Effect. So here's my pitch:

The Federation suddenly falls to pieces. In a matter of days, all alliances are shattered. Any ship currently out in space is on their own. "No man is an island" doesn't apply. Over the course of weeks, these ships, whether on their own or in small flotillas, have formed tribes. They all have to become self-sufficient. Starbases are claimed quickly; territories are plotted out; skirmishes break out. Allegiances aren't to races anymore, they're to ships.
So The Enterprise has to go around and reunite the ships and attempt to form a new Federation.

Whaddya think?
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That would be good for novels, not tv. I’d love a crossover and fitting in the cool aliens from Ringworld like they did in the animated series. There’s a faction of aliens from “Expeditionary Force” that love to gamble, with Craig Alansons permission they could use them, too.
 
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m1ddl3m4rch said:
I'd like to think Chakotay would organize a maquis memorial, or he'd spend his days getting high using that glowbox to induce 'spirit visions.' Haha Vulcans have logic, and native americans have getting high and telling simple metaphors about animal spirits.
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Jamake Highwater (13 February 1931 – 3 June 2001; age 70), born Jackie Marks, served as a consultant on Native American culture to Star Trek: Voyager. Though he claimed American Indian ancestry, he was in fact of Eastern European Jewish background. Highwater was heavily criticized by actual American Indians for his writings, which typically contained stereotypical and inaccurate depictions of Indian culture. (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, p.199)
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They should reveal that Chakotay is "of Eastern European Jewish background" and made everything up.
 
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