Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

Remember how in Star Trek ENT you had strip to your underwear and rub medical goo on each other.
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RumblyTumbly said:
The hottest of the regular Trek gals was Jedzia Dax, and that's by a pretty big margin for me.
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Was reminded of Jadzia during the wedding scene in Nemesis. Whoopi has a groaner about being married 23 times. Whatever.:geek:

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TV Guide had a little farewell issue to DS9, and one of the capsule bios stuck out to me: Dax has been married six times. "Four times as a bride, and twice as the groom." I always thought that was cool.

Try as I might, I can't imagine Seven of Nine being a gay icon in the future. We don't see any intimacy with Raffi, because that would constitute "fetishizing lesbians". It's about scoring points in the here and now.
 
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m1ddl3m4rch said:
Seven became a sexy lesbian,
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Hot stuff. :story:

I don't wanna pick on Jeri Ryan, she was a knockout 25 years ago, but now she's nearly the same age Nichelle Nichols was doing her "sexy" fan dance. It's not fair on people in their 50's to expect them to be sexy, especially when they've been hitting the botox hard and their upper lip now resembles a snow plow.

JamesFargo said:
T'Pol is the least sexy character that era produced. Her tits look faker than Shatner's hairpiece.

Hell, I'd take Gina Carano or an ex-wrestler over this gaping fish.

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Your opinion is gay and illogical. Jolene Blalock was a babe circa 2002. with great tits and a rocking body.

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It's not her fault she had to wear a Lloyd Christmas haircut and bad makeup job, or that she can't act. Riker would've smashed that bitch on the regular (consent not necessary)
 
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Sexual Chocolate said:
Jolene Blalock was a babe circa 2002. with great tits and a rocking body.
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Nice gal, but every time she's onscreen, I want to shove a hamburger down her throat.
Speaking of the Uhura dance: Maybe this is Stockholm Syndrome talking. But Star Trek 5 is honestly better than the TNG movies. 🤔
 
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JamesFargo said:
Fair point.

I don't care if Seven is desirable or not. The point is, you could remove Seven & Raffi from Season One, and lose nothing. It's fitting that you bring up Uhura, since her tryst with Scotty was quickly forgotten.


Nice gal, but every time she's onscreen, I want to shove a hamburger down her throat.

Speaking of the Uhura dance: Maybe this is Stockholm Syndrome talking. But Star Trek 5 is honestly better than the TNG movies. 🤔

If it has faults, it's the proto-Orville comedy. The tonal shift in this movie needs Adderall. Also, I love how Sha Ka Ree looks exactly the same as Nimbus III (with a purple filter added).
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Star Trek V can benefit a lot from a Director’s Cut. Fix the special effect sequences, add back in scenes and all.
 
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Cedric_Eff said:
Star Trek V can benefit a lot from a Director’s Cut. Fix the special effect sequences, add back in scenes and all.
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My guess is Shatner was aware of the janky effects and tried to make it funny.

The viewscreen is broken when he steps onto the bridge. He can't see where they're going, the consoles are exploding for no reason... Would you take this sputtering wreck into space? 💀

Another thing which sticks out: Pulaksi was meant to be the new Bones. But it's really the EMH. McCoy objects to Kirk's mountaineering on medical grounds. In a later scene, McCoy agonizes about mercy-killing his father. Picardo does a similar thing, where he flits between comedy and Mr. Reason.

 
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Standardized Profile said:
Voyager was consistently bad, but Enterprise was bland.
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I wouldn't say "consistently bad". Voyager had some good episodes.
JamesFargo said:
Which was done better in "Body and Soul", by the way.

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Like the Doctor/Seven episodes, which basically carried the entire show.

Ok, I admit it might be just my own extremely rose-coloured glasses here, growing up when it was mainly Voyager on TV, and thus Voyager being the first Star Trek show I watched regularly. I didn't know better :(
Still, I remember Voyager more fondly than some here, I guess. It had a lot of flaws, but I did like the concept and the characters. It had some good chemistry going on and it had some good episodes, too. The aforementioned "Body and Soul" was just funny. Doctor-focused episodes tended to be good because, well, it's fuckin' Robert Picardo and that man is a beacon of light. "Latent Image" and "Tinker, Tailor, Doctor, Spy" were also great. "Year of Hell" was great simply because Kurtwood Smith shoving his foot up dumbass Janeway's ass. And "Mortal Coil" wasn't as dark as DS9's "Hard Time", but it was pretty hard. Even gave the ever annoying Neelix some depth and non-shitty screentime.

Voyager could have made much better use of its setting. The premise of being stranded in a strange part of the galaxy and having to limp home with limited resources should have been reflected in the set design and some more permanent writing choices. The ship always looks pristine and like it came straight from the shipyard, and while they tried to bring in some stuff like the hydroponics and such, there's just not enough proper change in the ship and the crew. Some jury-rigging, improvisation, and general repurposing would have been interesting to see. Show more of the hydroponics, maybe show that as much space as possible has been reused for food production. Make resources a bigger issue. As such there are few visual cues that the Voyager is on an almost impossible trek home.

I also liked ENT more than most would care to admit, I guess. Likewise it was flawed and suffered from baffling writing decisions and I really dislike shoving in timetravel and stuff that canonically would have only been seen later in the timeline, but I enjoyed some of the character chemistry and the general frontier atmosphere and lower tech feel of the show. The set design was great imo. Should have been more about humans being crazy reckless idiots and still getting shit done. Get more of that Cochrane spirit, slapping together a warp ship while the world is still in ruins from a nuclear war and decades of genocide, because why the fuck not.

In the end I can't really decide wether I prefer TNG or DS9. The latter has some outrageously good episodes so I guess DS9 has to win out for me. TNG might have been peak noblebright Star Trek, but DS9 took that and added some grit to it, but not too much as to make it not-Star-Trek anymore.

So, speaking of actually good Star Trek instead of the garbage that has been produced the past decade, I'm really, REALLY looking forward to another season of The Orville, and I'll be very cross indeed if it never comes.
 
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Meriasek said:
Ok, I admit it might be just my own extremely rose-coloured glasses here, growing up when it was mainly Voyager on TV, and thus Voyager being the first Star Trek show I watched regularly. I didn't know better :(
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We dunk on VOY because we love VOY.

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If nothing else, it had some of the best female leads, which really resonated.
 
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JamesFargo said:
We dunk on VOY because we love VOY.

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If nothing else, it had some of the best female leads, which really resonated.
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Yeah. It's getting dunked on because it could have been so much more. It probably has a worse winner to stinker ratio than all the other shows, but damnit, the good episodes were still good. And most importantly, while ENT and VOY were not as good as they could have been, they were still recognizably and thoroughly Star Trek, which is much more than can be said about the modern shows.
Although I guess Janeway, who when she had her good moments really shone as a captain, also was one of the biggest points of criticism with Voyager, being one of the more inconsistent characters.
 
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Starscreams Cape said:
T'Pol? After one night with Riker, more like T'Poz.

I'll show myself out

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I legit never noticed that. Riker seems to incapable of sitting down without singing his leg over the chair.
Looking into it, apparently he suffered a back injury that causes him pain when he sits normally, so he adapted this way of sitting down to alleviate it. And apparently Frakes considered it a "cocky cowboy move", and tried to intentionally do more such moves like finding things to put his foot up on while on the bridge.
 
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