Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

Moving on from some loser who welches on his bets:

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NO REFUNDS!
 
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Techpriest said:
The US does have a strong national identity and common culture. US culture at the moment is probably the most unified it’s been historically tbh.

Nah, I already stated why the delay was a good idea, but also risky.

The idea is simple. The main campaign season in Afghanistan starts around May. With the existing “don’t attack us” agreement already in place, we cuck the Taliban out of various strategic positions over a few months and make it harder for them to press their advantage as we’re drawing down. The US footprint by this point in country is pretty small by this point but it’s still enough to keep places out of their hands we don’t want them to have before we turn it over to the ANA. This burns away the time the Taliban have to really take crucial points of the country and (hopefully) means the Afghan government can establish a hold as the fighting winds down for the year, or at least means we can remove more people from the country. We did - lots of contractors left with the US military.

The risk is the longer we stay, the more the Taliban can work on bribing/flipping units of the police and army. This though had been happening since the withdrawal agreement was signed in 2020.

Nobody up top expected the implosion of the ANA/Police to be so fast or so wide spread, or the Taliban to move so quick everywhere.

The May deadline would have spilled into June anyway, simply because of the flood of people that would have tried to leave with us. Like happened now. The Afghan government really didn’t want to encourage translators and staffers to flee the country - it undermines their legitimacy. Same reason why no politician in charge was going to openly admit that “I don’t think the Afghan government has a chance in hell of lasting more than three months.” Looks bad. So does this but you can shift the blame around.
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The Military Brass knew that the ANA was not getting paid or even getting basic equipment like ammo. They chose to ignore it to give the answers people giving them promotions wanted.

And you really haven't proven your point at all, if anything you've disproven it, "The May deadline would have spilled into June anyway". So this:

Current Clusterfuck:
- Tons of equipment and weapons left behind for the Taliban to confiscate
- Anywhere from 10k to 40k American Citizens stuck in Afghanistan
- An unknown amount of other nations citizens stuck in Afghanistan
- A Refugee Crisis

compared to:
Spending Months doing an Orderly withdrawal:
-A refugee crisis

Still now seeing how your point holds up. The Taliban takeover was going to happen no matter what. The Afghan Gov was not taking care of its army, The US military Brass knew it and the Taliban knew it.

On a side note:

Gen Schwarzkopf: Purple Heart with Oak Leaf Cluster
Gen Powell: Purple Heart
Sec Def Austin: No Purple Heart
Gen Milley: No Purple Heart

Just some things that make you go HMMMMMMM....
 
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X Prime said:
Don't project your lusts for Joe onto others welcher, that's just unseemly.
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Says the man who gargles the cock of a fat New York business man on the regular

Urbanmech said:
The Military Brass knew that the ANA was not getting paid or even getting basic equipment like ammo. They chose to ignore it to give the answers people giving them promotions wanted.

And you really haven't proven your point at all, if anything you've disproven it, "The May deadline would have spilled into June anyway". So this:

Current Clusterfuck:
- Tons of equipment and weapons left behind for the Taliban to confiscate
- Anywhere from 10k to 40k American Citizens stuck in Afghanistan
- An unknown amount of other nations citizens stuck in Afghanistan
- A Refugee Crisis

compared to:
Spending Months doing an Orderly withdrawal:
-A refugee crisis

Still now seeing how your point holds up. The Taliban takeover was going to happen no matter what. The Afghan Gov was not taking care of its army, The US military Brass knew it and the Taliban knew it.

On a side note:

Gen Schwarzkopf: Purple Heart with Oak Leaf Cluster
Gen Powell: Purple Heart
Sec Def Austin: No Purple Heart
Gen Milley: No Purple Heart

Just some things that make you go HMMMMMMM....
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>tons of equipment left behind for the Taliban
That was stuff for the ANA. Don’t be a fucking retard.
 
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Bethesda's Todd Howard said:
What are you talking about? This is fun. You lost a bet, didn't honor it, pretty sad. I feel the same way about the people who bet HHH money and didn't honor it.
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I ate the fucking hat. I got sick because of it. And you are fucking obsessed with rating my posts in just random ass fucking threads. It’s teen girl tier shit.
 
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Techpriest said:
I ate the fucking hat. I got sick because of it. And you are fucking obsessed with rating my posts in just random ass fucking threads. It’s teen girl tier shit.
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My dude, it's not my fault we browse the same threads. If I dislike your take, I'm gonna dislike it. Feel free to dislike mine. HHH does, and I don't take it personally.
 
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Urbanmech said:
The Military Brass knew that the ANA was not getting paid or even getting basic equipment like ammo.
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This actually got me thinking, even though the Taliban got a metric shit-ton of weapons from the ANA (which the USA gave/sold to them so they can build up their army), wouldn't they be mostly useless if ammo is that unavailable? It's kind of like the Humvees the Taliban can joyride in for a few months before gas runs out or they inevitably break down (I hate to say it, but our modern USA-made military equipment is NOTHING like the Toyota Hilux trucks that can run for 20+ years and be maintained fairly easily).

I guess what I'm thinking, besides the bad optics, does it matter the Taliban got this equipment in the end?
 
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