Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[talk sh1t]

Who were those jabbed early? The elderly and the vulnerable
Who is at risk of severe disease? The Elderly and the vulnerable
Who dies in their thousands every flu season? The Elderly and the Vulnerable
Who has been locked away, wearing masks, avoiding human contact? The elderly and the vulnerable
Why is this flu season going to be the worst in decades? Because of lock downs, masks and social distancing

So come December, when the west is in a state of lockdown again, because fatty and granny are dying in their 100's of thousands, remember this is all a scam.

I know nothing about anything and I've wondered for months about this seasons bad flu and it's impact on people, regardless of covid jabs. Now they're saying the jab makes you more susceptible to disease? Holy shit. 2 covid jabs, a booster and a flu jab floating around your system, sure isn't going to cause any problems, right? /sneed

When she [the head of CDC] said that those jabbed early are getting complications from the vaccine, is it because they were the group that was more vulnerable in the first place, or is it because they've already tweaked/improved the vaccine over the following months?

EDIT - I don't think she's saying those jabbed early are getting complications from the vaccine, just that they are susceptible to delta despite being vaccinated.

How do they think they'll convince those skeptical about this vaccine, when within the space of 30 seconds the head of CDC says "there is evidence of complications", "we are still learning how the vaccine works", and "but it's still important that you take the vaccine to protect yourself and others". How is that supposed to put me at ease? How is that a good counter-argument to all the "fake news" and misinformation, when the CDC itself is literally confirming my exact fears?

 

[Salubrious]

When she [the head of CDC] said that those jabbed early are getting complications from the vaccine, is it because they were the group that was more vulnerable in the first place, or is it because they've already tweaked/improved the vaccine over the following months?

How do they think they'll convince those skeptical about this vaccine, when within the space of 30 seconds the head of CDC says "there is evidence of complications", "we are still learning how the vaccine works", and "but it's still important that you take the vaccine to protect yourself and others". How is that supposed to put me at ease? How is that a good counter-argument to all the "fake news" and misinformation, when the CDC itself is literally confirming my exact fears?

Blame and shame.

If you don't get the shot, then you are a horrible person that believes in conspiracy theories and will kill people.

Remember, there are people that genuinely believe kids that go to school without masks will murder someone. Literally use the word murder.

NPS School Board member Linda Sexton urges the board to challenge Stitt’s order and require masks.

“It’s not ok for kids to commit murder by coming to school without a mask … it’s possible, they will cause a death if another child because they come to school without a mask.”

Also, you know the best way to "debunk" conspiracy theories about government control? Threaten to lock down people until they comply. That will show them!

Also, I love the sentence that everyone going to the hospital is unvaccinated, yet the unvaccinated are putting the vaccinated at risk. How? You just said the vaccinated aren't being hospitalized!

 

[Billy Beer]

When she [the head of CDC] said that those jabbed early are getting complications from the vaccine, is it because they were the group that was more vulnerable in the first place, or is it because they've already tweaked/improved the vaccine over the following months?

How do they think they'll convince those skeptical about this vaccine, when within the space of 30 seconds the head of CDC says "there is evidence of complications", "we are still learning how the vaccine works", and "but it's still important that you take the vaccine to protect yourself and others". How is that supposed to put me at ease? How is that a good counter-argument to all the "fake news" and misinformation, when the CDC itself is literally confirming my exact fears?

Best case scenario; they can no longer hide the fact that people are having serious side effects from the jab.

Worst case scenario; soft disclosure/turning the temp up to boil the frog. As in, all jabs have serious long-term side-effects, but big pharma want their money. If they blame the first wave of jabs on the problems and say "these new jabs work and protect you more, come get your boosters!", then they can push more jabs.

It's like DLC but for your immune system.

 

[talk sh1t]

So the director of the CDC just admitted that the jabs cause ADE.

Why is she saying this? If I went on Reddit I'd be nuked by the tranny jannies for fake news if I dared post this. So why the fuck is she saying this?

Let me guess at what the messaging will be in the coming weeks and months. Yes the vaccines are safe and effective. Unfortunately their protection doesn't last forever, they're a bit like the flu shots in that way, so you're going to need a booster twice a year. They also cause you to get sicker if you do catch the coof. But not to worry this will be taken care off if you take your booster. Did I mention you should take your booster?

What's that? What kind of vaccines don't stop me catching a disease and make me sicker when I get infected? The safe and effective kind that's what kind.

OK wait, she doesn't say the jabs cause ADE, she just says that people who were jabbed earlier are more prone to get sick from the Delta variant. Fauci follows this up with the studies that show that antibody count goes down to almost the initial level after 200 or so days, and that the Delta variant needs a particularly high antibody count to be dealt with. So it makes sense that they recommend the booster shot.

 

[Salubrious]

Best case scenario; they can no longer hide the fact that people are having serious side effects from the jab.

Worst case scenario; soft disclosure/turning the temp up to boil the frog. As in, all jabs have serious long-term side-effects, but big pharma want their money. If they blame the first wave of jabs on the problems and say "these new jabs work and protect you more, come get your boosters!", then they can push more jabs.

It's like DLC but for your immune system.

These boosters make no sense because the reason people get a flu shot every year is because the shots themselves are different every year to combat the new strains.

This sounds like they are just giving you the exact same shot again because it wore off the first time. So how is it supposed to help with Delta? Just don't question the science, anti-vaxxer?

OK wait, she doesn't say the jabs cause ADE, she just says that people who were jabbed earlier are more prone to get sick from the Delta variant. Fauci follows this up with the studies that show that antibody count goes down to almost the initial level after 200 or so days, and that the Delta variant needs a particularly high antibody count to be dealt with. So it makes sense that they recommend the booster shot.

Hey, remember when back in December people would say that these shots would only last a year and they were called conspiracy theorists?

Apparently we were wrong after all, because they didn't even last nine months.

 

[borsabil]

OK wait, she doesn't say the jabs cause ADE, she just says that people who were jabbed earlier are more prone to get sick from the Delta variant. Fauci follows this up with the studies that show that antibody count goes down to almost the initial level after 200 or so days, and that the Delta variant needs a particularly high antibody count to be dealt with. So it makes sense that they recommend the booster shot.

Why not include the quote in your reply?

Additionally reports from our international colleagues, including Israel, suggest increased risk of severe disease among those vaccinated early

Vaccinated people should not be showing an increased risk of severe disease unless the vaccines themselves are causing it. In other words antibody dependent enhancement.

Cope harder, it's clear that the vaccines effects are temporary at best, or else why the fuck would they be recommending, and soon no doubt mandating, boosters?

Studies, which have been quoted in this thread, demonstrate that neutralising antibodies diminish to nothing a few months after the jab. However binding antibodies to the spike remain leaving the vaccinated vulnerable to ADE causing, and again I quote, increased risk of severe disease.

You've committed yourself to a lifetime of mRNA injections. Even better the more jabs you get, to boost up your neutralising antibodies and to account for new variants, the more likely you are to develop an ADE response when exposed to wild virus. You were warned but you chose not to listen. Unless you're a fat piece of shit you would have been MUCH better off simply catching Covid and getting on with your life.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Blame and shame.
“It’s not ok for kids to commit murder by coming to school without a mask … it’s possible, they will cause a death if another child because they come to school without a mask.”

So, in other words they don't have guilt to throw contaminated and used masks everywhere just like people throw cigarette butts? That mean they don't give a rat about the environment and pollution.

 

[Salubrious]

Now, this is Small Sample Size/10 (1,649 adults TOTAL), but it's interesting to me for two reasons.

1) The Yahoo article claimed that "unvaccinated Americans are blaming vaccinated Americans MORE than themselves for the surge." Which is technically true, but it's like 6% to 7%. But they have their narrative - unvaccinated Americans are stupid.

2) There's no choice that I saw that nothing was to blame. COVID is endemic now. It's going to be around forever. It's going to have ups and downs like any coronavirus like the common cold. Sometimes, shit just happens. But we now NEED to blame someone even if it makes no sense.

Poll: More unvaccinated Americans blame vaccinated Americans for the Delta surge than blame themselves

A new Yahoo News/YouGov poll found that just 6 percent of those who remain unvaccinated say they deserve “the most blame for the new surge of COVID cases in the U.S.” The share who say vaccinated Americans deserve the most blame is slightly higher, at 7 percent.

www.yahoo.com

The fact that unvaccinated Americans say their vaccinated peers bear more responsibility for Delta’s spread flies in the face of data showing that it’s actually unvaccinated Americans who now account for a vast majority of new COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths — and it underscores just how difficult it will be to convince most unvaccinated Americans that they have a role to play in ending the pandemic.

Indeed, unvaccinated Americans tend to blame everyone but themselves for the Delta wave, with a full third saying the Biden administration (34 percent) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention “and other public-health authorities” (33 percent) deserve a “great deal of blame” — nearly four times the share who say the same about themselves (again, 9 percent). Fewer (24 percent) place a great deal of blame on “Americans who refuse to wear masks and take other precautions.”

 

[talk sh1t]

Why not include the quote in your reply?



Vaccinated people should not be showing an increased risk of severe disease unless the vaccines themselves are causing it. In other words antibody dependent enhancement.

Cope harder, it's clear that the vaccines effects are temporary at best, or else why the fuck would they be recommending, and soon no doubt mandating, boosters?

Studies, which have been quoted in this thread, demonstrate that neutralising antibodies diminish to nothing a few months after the jab. However binding antibodies to the spike remain leaving the vaccinated vulnerable to ADE causing, and again I quote, increased risk of severe disease.

You've committed yourself to a lifetime of mRNA injections. Even better the more jabs you get, to boost up your neutralising antibodies and to account for new variants, the more likely you are to develop an ADE response when exposed to wild virus. You were warned but you chose not to listen. Unless you're a fat piece of shit you would have been MUCH better off simply catching Covid and getting on with your life.

I guess I understood "severe illness" to just mean a severe case of Delta. To me, within the context of the PSA, it seems like a consistent message: the early-jabbed now have a low antibody count (as per the study shown by Fauci) -> they are vulnerable again -> boost boost booster shot. I don't see that blatant a connection to ADE, but then again I still don't really know how ADE works.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

Will we ever just be ‘Aussie’s’ ever again? We look like dickheads to the rest of the world. I don’t want to be known as an Aussie dickhead thanks to our ‘leaders’

Even worse, they're trying to force you, like they're trying to force everyone else, to become a faceless, cultureless "global citizen."

Dear Yahoo. A whole lot of moderate Republicans think Asa is a giant pussy. But he's pro-mandate, so the MSM must suck his dick.

MSM simping is a good barometer for which Republicans to avoid.

 

[Billy Beer]

OK wait, she doesn't say the jabs cause ADE, she just says that people who were jabbed earlier are more prone to get sick from the Delta variant. Fauci follows this up with the studies that show that antibody count goes down to almost the initial level after 200 or so days, and that the Delta variant needs a particularly high antibody count to be dealt with. So it makes sense that they recommend the booster shot.

Roll back to 12 months ago and having two jabs was a conspiracy theory
Roll back 6 months ago and having to have a booster shot was a conspiracy theory
Roll back last week and jab side effects were a conspiracy theory.

I'm getting tired of shit being labelled a conspiracy theory, a big fucking slap fight happening, only for the conspiracy theorists to be proved correct, again.

I want them to stop treating us like mongs and tell us the fucking truth. But they won't, because this whole thing is a lie.

So, we're now in a situation where everyone - even the NPC muppets, agree that the jab lasts X amount of time and needs boosters to keep up with the different variants (funny how we blasted through 4 variants in a month and now we haven't had a new variant for...4 months?). What happens when the next variant comes out? New boosters for all, but wait! Not only are you susceptible to the new variants, regardless of jab status, you're now MORE AT RISK if you get the jab.

They push these jabs, through soft force, through locking you out of freedoms you had 18 months ago, and we're supposed to believe with everything that has happened, has been admitted to and continues to happen, that there isn't something nefarious going on in the background? At this point in time I'm hoping and praying that this is a money making scheme, because if the conspiracy theorists are right, again, and these jabs are a de-population event, then open a funeral parlour, because you're about to be stinking rich.

These boosters make no sense because the reason people get a flu shot every year is because the shots themselves are different every year to combat the new strains.

This sounds like they are just giving you the exact same shot again because it wore off the first time. So how is it supposed to help with Delta? Just don't question the science, anti-vaxxer?


Hey, remember when back in December people would say that these shots would only last a year and they were called conspiracy theorists?

Apparently we were wrong after all, because they didn't even last nine months.

It's worse than that. If you've had the jab, you're more susceptible to new strains. Imagine a new strain coming along that's mild for the unjabbed, but is highly lethal/fatal for those who have been jabbed? The Tasmanian devil wouldn't be able to spin that one.

 

[Zarael]

2) There's no choice that I saw that nothing was to blame. COVID is endemic now. It's going to be around forever. It's going to have ups and downs like any coronavirus like the common cold. Sometimes, shit just happens. But we now NEED to blame someone even if it makes no sense.

People got too used to thinking of humanity as having complete control over nature. The idea that we can completely control our own destinies is so important to people now. It plays a large part in the response, after all if we CAN reduce avoidable deaths it seems so obvious we should, right? Except that avoidable deaths are part of life and they always will be so long as people actually have the freedom to live their lives and aren't boxed up in capsules and completely isolated from each other.

We can't control the virus, it's out in the wild now and there's nothing we can do about it. People will die who otherwise might've lived if we all stayed in perpetual lockdown. It's about time people started coming to peace with that fact. COVID is as much a part of life now as the flu has been and the progressives need to suck it up and deal with it.

 

[Salubrious]

It's worse than that. If you've had the jab, you're more susceptible to new strains. Imagine a new strain coming along that's mild for the unjabbed, but is highly lethal/fatal for those who have been jabbed? The Tasmanian devil wouldn't be able to spin that one.

If everyone just did what they were told at the beginning, there wouldn't be any new strains anymore.

People will die who otherwise might've lived if we all stayed in perpetual lockdown. It's about time people started coming to peace with that fact. COVID is as much a part of life now as the flu has been and the progressives need to suck it up and deal with it.

What bothers me is that people will die who otherwise might have live if we DIDN'T lockdown. Suicide due to isolation is skyrocketing. Depression is skyrocking. Obesity is skyrocketing. But the time a year ago that I've mentioned here before, when I said it wasn't worth saving 10K people from COVID if 20K died due to the lockdowns, my friend's Dad literally asked me if "that was my Final Solution." Those were his exact words; literally Hitler for suggesting people died of things other than COVID.

 

[borsabil]

These boosters make no sense because the reason people get a flu shot every year is because the shots themselves are different every year to combat the new strains.

This sounds like they are just giving you the exact same shot again because it wore off the first time. So how is it supposed to help with Delta? Just don't question the science, anti-vaxxer?


Hey, remember when back in December people would say that these shots would only last a year and they were called conspiracy theorists?

Apparently we were wrong after all, because they didn't even last nine months.

To be fair the pharma companies were quite open regarding the need for boosters. The mRNA therapeutics., they can in no way be described as vaccines, are not designed to provide permanent sterilising immunity.

However it would have been a much harder sell if it became known that instead of just one or two jabs everyone would need to be injected every 3-6 months indefinitely. Maybe the very old and the chronically ill would have still taken them, their risk of dying in the next few years of anything is already high, but someone in their twenties in good health? So they decided to flat out lie.

I guess I understood "severe illness" to just mean a severe case of Delta. To me, within the context of the PSA, it seems like a consistent message: the early-jabbed now have a low antibody count (as per the study shown by Fauci) -> they are vulnerable again -> boost boost booster shot. I don't see that blatant a connection to ADE, but then again I still don't really know how ADE works.

INCREASED risk of severe illness. ADE is caused by non sterilising vaccines. To put it simply sterilising vaccines provide two forms of immune response, neutralising and non neutralising/binding antibodies. The mRNA vaccines produce a short neutralising antibody effect (a few months) but leave a lifetime of binding antibodies. Vaccines that have a low efficacy in creating neutralising antibodies are prone to causing ADE as binding antibodies by themselves will lead to viral escape as there are no neutralising antibodies to cause viral degradation.

What we don't know at this point is how severe ADE might prove to be in the vaccinated, however the risk is real and was known about prior the vaccines being rolled out. It's just that the pharma companies and governments didn't care. The companies were seeing dollar signs and the politicians were trusting da science and wanted Covid to be done with. The CDC are well aware that this has the potential to FUBAR and their solution is boosters. It makes sense, depletion of neutralising antibodies can be solved by giving more vaccine on a regular basis. The problem is that the mRNA and Adenovector vaccines target the most mutable part of the virus, which is leading to increased viral mutation. It's inevitable that Covid will eventually escape entirely from the current vaccines which will mean rushing out updated vaccines, with more double dosing and boosters until eventually they don't provide any neutralising effect, then we really are fucked.

 

[talk sh1t]

To be fair the pharma companies were quite open regarding the need for boosters. The mRNA therapeutics., they can in no way be described as vaccines, are not designed to provide permanent sterilising immunity.

However it would have been a much harder sell if it became known that instead of just one or two jabs everyone would need to be injected every 3-6 months indefinitely. Maybe the very old and the chronically ill would have still taken them, their risk of dying in the next few years of anything is already high, but someone in their twenties in good health? So they decided to flat out lie.


INCREASED risk of severe illness. ADE is caused by non sterilising vaccines. To put it simply sterilising vaccines provide two forms of immune response, neutralising and non neutralising/binding antibodies. The mRNA vaccines produce a short neutralising antibody effect (a few months) but leave a lifetime of binding antibodies. Vaccines that have a low efficacy in creating neutralising antibodies are prone to causing ADE as binding antibodies by themselves will lead to viral escape as there are no neutralising antibodies to cause viral degradation.

What we don't know at this point is how severe ADE might prove to be in the vaccinated, however the risk is real and was known about prior the vaccines being rolled out. It's just that the pharma companies and governments didn't care. The companies were seeing dollar signs and the politicians were trusting da science and wanted Covid to be done with. The CDC are well aware that this has the potential to FUBAR and their solution is boosters. It makes sense, depletion of neutralising antibodies can be solved by giving more vaccine on a regular basis. The problem is that the mRNA and Adenovector vaccines target the most mutable part of the virus, which is leading to increased viral mutation. It's inevitable that Covid will eventually escape entirely from the current vaccines which will mean rushing out updated vaccines, with more double dosing and boosters until eventually they don't provide any neutralising effect, then we really are fucked.

Thanks. About the mutations, though, WHO are saying that dangerous variants will emerge among the non-vaccinated, which is why before giving out booster shots, we should first make sure everybody in all countries gets the first two shots.

"I'm afraid that this [booster recommendation] will only lead to more variants. ... And perhaps we're heading into an even more dire situation," WHO chief scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan said.

The problem with a call for boosters, she said, is that the virus is primarily circulating in unvaccinated people — not in the fully vaccinated.

Why A Push For Boosters Could Make The Pandemic Even Worse (https://archive.li/rg76H)


Also, what are some other examples of non-sterilizing vaccines that are being used or have been used?

 

[borsabil]

What bothers me is that people will die who otherwise might have live if we DIDN'T lockdown. Suicide due to isolation is skyrocketing. Depression is skyrocking. Obesity is skyrocketing. But the time a year ago that I've mentioned here before, when I said it wasn't worth saving 10K people from COVID if 20K died due to the lockdowns, my friend's Dad literally asked me if "that was my Final Solution." Those were his exact words; literally Hitler for suggesting people died of things other than COVID.

The boomer voting block is what's caused the current retardation. Every boomer I know is in favour of lockdowns, forced vaccinations (nevermind mandates) and making kids wear masks and keeping schools closed permanently if need be.

If only one horrendously over weight diabetic piece of shit is saved from the coof then ruining the lives of millions of children would have been worth it.

I wish God would come down and wipe out every last one of them, I really do. Maybe that's what Covid is, the boomer apocalypse. If the vaccines keep causing the virus to mutate the way it is we'll be finally done with them.

 

[borsabil]

Thanks. About the mutations, though, WHO are saying that dangerous variants will emerge among the non-vaccinated, which is why before giving out booster shots, we should first make sure everybody in all countries gets the first two shots.


Why A Push For Boosters Could Make The Pandemic Even Worse (https://archive.md/rg76H)


Also, what are some other examples of non-sterilizing vaccines that are being used or have been used?

The WHO also said that it was safe to travel from Wuhan, that travel restrictions were racist and that the virus didn't come from a Chinese lab.

The most recent are Dengue fever and HIV vaccines. They were discontinued prior to mass inoculation as back in the olden times we would do things like having proper animal studies and multi year human trials. Those were more backward and primitive times, thank God we live in current year when we can develop vaccines in a few days and have them on the market in months.

 

[Protistology]

Thanks. About the mutations, though, WHO are saying that dangerous variants will emerge among the non-vaccinated, which is why before giving out booster shots, we should first make sure everybody in all countries gets the first two shots.


Why A Push For Boosters Could Make The Pandemic Even Worse (https://archive.md/rg76H)


Also, what are some other examples of non-sterilizing vaccines that are being used or have been used?

Someone mentioned Marek's Disease, a disease in chickens that 50 years ago was harmless but today is 100% lethal, requiring 100% of the world's chicken to be vaccinated before birth. This is because the vaccine is "leaky" like the Covid vaccine. The chickens still get and pass on Marek's but they don't die from it.

Marek's disease - Wikipedia

archived 3 Aug 2021 08:20:46 UTC

archive.md

Gee, a mandatory vaccine for 100% of chickens? That's a lot of money.

Also,

A perspective on potential antibody-dependent enhancement of SARS-CoV…

archived 16 Nov 2020 13:42:23 UTC

archive.md

At present, there are no known clinical findings, immunological assays or biomarkers that can differentiate any severe viral infection from immune-enhanced disease, whether by measuring antibodies, T cells or intrinsic host responses.

Get ready for waves of "breakthrough cases" because of the unvaccinated subhumans.

 

[Real Gay Autist]

I caved to pressure from friends, workmates, family, etc. and I got vaxxed. I made sure to finish my will beforehand, just in case. I had shitty side-effects for a couple of days but feel normal so far.

I feel ashamed of myself for caving. I was one of those doomers following WuFlu since Jan 2020: warning friends and family, prepping masks & meds for us for emergencies. I got so much shit back for being a conspiracy theorist, paranoid, etc. Then, by November, I was a conspiracy theorist for saying vaccine immunity would only be short-term. I was a conspiracy theorist for saying we'll need boosters. You know the drill. All this should have taught me to trust my instincts and my research but I wasn't strong enough to resist the social and financial pressure to get the jab. Hilariously, when I was vaccinated the guy asked me to confirm some details including answering the question "Are you willing to be vaccinated?". I just laughed.

The irony is, by this point, I frankly am indifferent as to whether this shit kills me. My life and mental health has fallen apart over the past year or so, amusingly only very partially due to covid, and I've been taking it day-by-day for a while. But I've decided that, at least while I'm still here, I'm not going to participate making unvaxxed people pariahs. At work I'll be asked to treat people differently based on vaccine status. I won't be doing that.

 

[Salubrious]

Florida is really fucking up the narrative with all of the "not dying" they're doing.

In before "Florida is lying about their numbers!" Yeah, the exact opposite is happening and the CDC has been caught doing it to Florida and Texas, but okay.