Cultcow Russell Greer / Mr. Green / @ just_some_dude_named_russell29 / A Safer Nevada PAC - Swift-Obsessed Sex Pest, Convicted of E-Stalking, "Eggshell Skull Plaintiff" Pro Se Litigant, Homeless, aspiring brothel owner

If you were Taylor Swift, whom would you rather date?

  • Russell Greer

    Votes: 117 4.5%
  • Travis Kelce

    Votes: 138 5.3%
  • Null

    Votes: 1,454 55.8%
  • Kanye West

    Votes: 286 11.0%
  • Ariana Grande

    Votes: 609 23.4%

  • Total voters
    2,604
It certainly does if he contains it to the designated area and they exclude him not because of his viewpoints but because of his behavior. A university, even a public university, has no obligation whatsoever to provide such a designated area, though. That the overwhelming majority of large state universities choose to do so has more to do with academic tradition than legal obligation. A public university that operates entirely inside of a single building can install keycard access and entirely exclude the public.

In fact, the smaller University of Nevada, Reno campus does exactly that, locking all external doors to buildings so that only students, faculty, staff, or other authorized personnel can enter, citing the need "to maximize the security of the buildings, occupants, and building contents."

Courts also definitely have distinguished between the rights of the general public to access the campuses of public universities, including the outdoor spaces of such a campus, as compared to the rights of the students, faculty, etc. ACLU v. Mote (4th Cir. 2005) (holding that political speaker who was not a student could be restricted from political speech in publicly accessible areas of a public university other than those designated for speech). The case implies that the result might be different if it involved a total ban on all speech rather than a reasonable time, place, or manner restriction.

Just because a public university has parts accessible to the public does not mean you can engage in unlimited public speech in all of them.

I wonder whether sometimes people mix up the on-the-ground policies of some govt bodies to not mess with trespassers on public property as long as they are doing no harm, with there being a legal right of entry. Aren’t most US elementary schools public? That surely doesn’t mean absolutely anyone can wander in there.
 
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My university allowed all kinds of weirdoes in the "main square" area near the library, student commons, and dining hall. We had preachers, we had anti-abortion groups with the big gory posters, we had a guy who had a sign that said "Ask me how government is immoral", we had a white guy who had the bright idea to hold a sign that said "hey black men, don't be a nigger," we had vegans who brought a pocket pig in a tutu, we had groups of white girls with cardboard signs about what Halloween costumes were too racist to wear, we had various student orgs, we had a Krishna or two wandering around, and we had the good ol' Mormons...

I'm trying to imagine what the reaction would have been to Russhole. We also had very obviously homeless people who would hang around and sometimes ask for money, campus coppers would eventually come up and tell them to move along if they started harassing people. I think Russhole would have gotten the same kind of reaction as the anti-abortionists or the homeless people: people giving them a wide berth, putting headphones on as soon as they get within 50 feet and glazing their faces over, maybe the occasional not-so-subtle Snapchat and sneer.

The "don't be a nigger" guy had a (black) campus cop who had to stand within six feet of him in case someone decided to escalate the situation, but I don't think Russell has the balls to be so inflammatory that a cop would feel the need to be present. Unless he started slurpily making advances on the female students and they reported that the mongo with the smudged leaflets is sexually harassing people.
 
I wonder whether sometimes people mix up the on-the-ground policies of some govt bodies to not mess with trespassers on public property as long as they are doing no harm, with there being a legal right of entry. Aren’t most US elementary schools public? That surely doesn’t mean absolutely anyone can wander in there.
It's not really just that it's a public learning institution; that does affect students' Constitutional rights, but it actually has more to do with whether the campus has public spaces.

Colleges typically have outdoor spaces like a quad which are open to the public. Often they'll hold events like guest speakers or group meetings that are open to the public; you can go whether you're a student or not. You can probably even walk into the cafeteria and buy a lunch (like someone previously mentioned).

Elementary schools don't. They're the temporary custodian of minors who attend; they have a compelling reason to ensure that only adults with the legal custodial rights to those kids have the ability to enter the campus and pick them up (which can be a huge concern in cases where a parent/partner doesn't have legal custody or may even be prohibited from contacting the kid). Anyone else, unless they have good reason to be there, won't be allowed to enter the building. And typically all of the areas where kids will be are fenced off, both to keep the kids from wandering off and to keep creeps from wandering in.
 
It's not really just that it's a public learning institution; that does affect students' Constitutional rights, but it actually has more to do with whether the campus has public spaces.

Colleges typically have outdoor spaces like a quad which are open to the public. Often they'll hold events like guest speakers or group meetings that are open to the public; you can go whether you're a student or not. You can probably even walk into the cafeteria and buy a lunch (like someone previously mentioned).

Elementary schools don't. They're the temporary custodian of minors who attend; they have a compelling reason to ensure that only adults with the legal custodial rights to those kids have the ability to enter the campus and pick them up (which can be a huge concern in cases where a parent/partner doesn't have legal custody or may even be prohibited from contacting the kid). Anyone else, unless they have good reason to be there, won't be allowed to enter the building. And typically all of the areas where kids will be are fenced off, both to keep the kids from wandering off and to keep creeps from wandering in.

This doesn’t address the argument about whether “public colleges” have to allow anyone into their grounds. If elementary schools (public property, as in, owned by the government) can restrict entry to students and employees, then surely public colleges have the same right. If some colleges choose to allow “free speech areas” where freaks like Greer can go, then that is different. I actually am all for those places, as long as it doesn’t hurt the students and staff who don’t want to hear any of it.
 
This doesn’t address the argument about whether “public colleges” have to allow anyone into their grounds. If elementary schools (public property, as in, owned by the government) can restrict entry to students and employees, then surely public colleges have the same right.
They're a governmental entity, so the standard of justification is high. They can't just claim a justifiable reason, they have to have a compelling reason.

They actually might be able to say that in the interests of security, the entire campus is off-limits for anyone except students, faculty, and staff. But if they didn't enforce that policy by keeping everyone else off a particular space (like the quad), then that space would effectively become a public space anyway. And most college campuses are so large that they have public roads encroaching into them, which they couldn't prevent the public from using. Sure, they could probably just fence off literally everything and require key card entry to even get in. But most don't.

Basically it's an all or nothing deal... if they allow the public to wander through, they can't kick one particular guy out just because they don't like his particular message.
 
They're a governmental entity, so the standard of justification is high. They can't just claim a justifiable reason, they have to have a compelling reason.

They actually might be able to say that in the interests of security, the entire campus is off-limits for anyone except students, faculty, and staff. But if they didn't enforce that policy by keeping everyone else off a particular space (like the quad), then that space would effectively become a public space anyway. And most college campuses are so large that they have public roads encroaching into them, which they couldn't prevent the public from using. Sure, they could probably just fence off literally everything and require key card entry to even get in. But most don't.

Basically it's an all or nothing deal... if they allow the public to wander through, they can't kick one particular guy out just because they don't like his particular message.
Can they kick him out for excessive drooling though?
 
Dishabulled Deathbringer of Deseret
“Disabled Deathbringer of Deseret” is pretty damn good. “Dishabulled” might be gilding the lily a little bit.
Why I'm Making It Legal for Your 18 Year Old Daughter to Get in Bed with a Stranger for $500.
Excuse me you philistine, the proper title of Russell‘s legal masterpiece is “Why I'm Making It Legal for Your 18 Year Old Daughter to Get In Bed with a Complete Stranger for Only 500 Bucks.”
Come on guys, we can do it, let's make it three pages whether Russ should or should not be allowed to be on unversity grounds.
Just scroll and scroll until you see a screenshot.
 
Belt out a tune, probably. I'd rather listen to someone who sounds like a cat being strangled
Gotham City! Always brings a smile to my face!

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