I feel like in most cases they aren't realistic. We try to create trans inclusive leagues but there is often not enough funding or participation.
Do you mean sports leagues? I'm not 100% up on the sports side of things, altho from what I have read and understand of it so far I'm of the opinion that judging it by how much testosterone a person has is too narrow a parameter. But sports isn't really my thing so I haven't delved too deeply.
with bathrooms I think any business is wise to only have multiple single use bathrooms personally. I think a lot of trans people would rage to be forced to go to the third option restroom by policy or law.
I personally think that 3rd spaces should go alongside 4th spaces...the 3rd being trans exclusive, the 4th being for trans people and others who are comfortable or happy to share a space. Unisex with knobs on (pun kind of intended).
I think that only advocating for a 3rd space could be seen as too 'othering' of a lot of trans people, which I do understand, but it would be a stepping stone to getting that 4th option.
Everywhere having stalls would be ideal...I always use stalls wherever they are because I'm uncomfortable getting changed/undressed even in single sex spaces, but I would be even more uneasy knowing that a man or someone with a male body was in the same room, even in individual stalls. I have good reason to feel this way, as do many people, both male and female.
I do understand why you would feel threatened using male bathrooms, but you've got to understand that a lot of women feel that way about sharing their spaces as well. It's exactly the same. So, more spaces are needed.
I personally don't mind using the family restroom if it doesn't smell like diapers. I enjoy the peace of mind knowing that nobody is going to bother me. I think legislating bathrooms would cause some really reactionary politics and I don't think it's a healthy way moving forward tbh.
Yeah same. I always use them if available, disabled toilets too, altho I do get tutted at regularly for that because my disability is invisible.
Bathrooms are just the thin end of the wedge tho, we need 3rd (or 4th) spaces for everything that is currently sex segregated, especially for things like rape crisis centres and DV shelters. The thing that really grinds my gears about that aspect of the argument is that nothing is ever said about the FtM side of it. Obviously because men don't see them as a threat, but they would also be at risk if placed in their shelters.
I take issue with open changing rooms in general unisex or gender seperated. I don't think public nudity is safe.
Hard agree. But like I say, I'm heavily biased on that score.
A trans person facing either homelessness or abuse can't build their own shelter and what a lot of shelters do (like all the shelters in a city) is just deny trans people and we become homeless or just stay in an abusive home. I don't think it needs to be that way.
Again, hard agree. There needs to be more done for trans people facing these problems. Both MtF and FtM face issues that are unique to them and I feel they can't be adequately addressed by using services that are solely geared towards cis people. Because as we know, poverty and abuse aren't stand-alone issues.
I don't think it would be something you so much have to worry about with an abuse victim who comes to a shelter. I've heard the other side get angry over this but this is just what I honestly feel is right.
Gotta disagree with you on that. Some women would be OK with sharing a space with trans women who are also escaping abuse, some definitely wouldn't. That's where the 4th space comes in (in my perfect world anyway!)
I'm serious about discussing practical solutions to these issues so I'm willing to get into the weeds. I think integrating sports is one of the most nuanced discussions and I'd be willing to go thru some actual data on it. I know a some references I can pull up.
Like I said, not fully up on the sports aspect so I'll leave that for someone else to get into with you. You've got to admit Fallon Fox and Rhys McKinnon are fucking arseholes mind...I do hope they're outliers and not indicative of trans athletes as a whole tho.
