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I've always thought it's kind of lazy to use rape as shorthand for EEEE-vill, but these retards take getting a case of the vapors to a new extreme.
I don't disagree in general, but I think it's a little different here. Like, if you have your urbane villain with a British accent and a goatee but oh he grabs a titty because he's just so evil, that's lazy. In this case rape was just part of a larger grocery list of why these creatures were abhorrent, an example of why there was no possibility of coexistence, and for that I feel it makes sense. It would've been kind of odd to me if there was a setup where you have a monster who would happily eat your eyes while peeling your skin off just to be entertained by your screams before it eats the rest of you, but oh they have a real moral stand about consent. #nomeansno #believewomen
 
I don't disagree in general, but I think it's a little different here. Like, if you have your urbane villain with a British accent and a goatee but oh he grabs a titty because he's just so evil, that's lazy. In this case rape was just part of a larger grocery list of why these creatures were abhorrent, an example of why there was no possibility of coexistence, and for that I feel it makes sense. It would've been kind of odd to me if there was a setup where you have a monster who would happily eat your eyes while peeling your skin off just to be entertained by your screams before it eats the rest of you, but oh they have a real moral stand about consent. #nomeansno #believewomen
I disagree slightly, purely because if their issue was the rape alone then Dresden Files should also be a no go on the site for the White Court alone along with many, many other properties. I think it's a convenient excuse but what it also is is that they are greatly ticked off with anime since parts of their social circle are.
There's lots of anime getting whined about at the moment (and I agree with some of those complaints) along with a lot of right leaning sorts mocking the comic book industry for getting paddled by manga in sales. As such I suspect those who get wound up by that sort of thing, many of whom will be Rpg.net mods, will be wanting to do everything they can to lash out at the industry.
Hence Goblin Slayer, which I have not read but by accounts here and elsewhere has rape in it as a brief thing alongside other atrocities, is being treated like it's the story of a session of Fatal or...is it Chris Fields? The guy who wrote the maximumly rapey d20 supplements. Games of that where the whole thing is nothing but wall to wall sex crimes and therefore impossible to discuss because it's all about that.
 
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Are discussions about Berserk also verboten there, just because there was a page with the infamous troll sex scene?
 
Stumbled onto this little Cassandra gem today:

So first we had Swine Pseudo-artistry, the white-wolf crowd going around trying to subvert gaming (and ultimately destroy all the parts of gaming they didn’t like) by claiming that RPGs have to be “works of art”, sophisticated sensitive and brilliant.

When that tactic failed, eventually they moved on to the Swine Pseudo-intellectualism: seeking to subvert gaming by claiming that RPGs had to be academic exercises, based on “Theories”, that rejected all the “incoherent” games that were merely about having fun, and that demanded that gaming be re-invented to suit the agendas of the self-styled intellectual elite at the Forge.

That has now fallen to pieces for the Swine as well. And I’ve been predicting that its only a matter of time before some creative Swine figure out some new angle that they think will win them that long-desired control, subversion, and destruction of all that’s good about the gaming hobby. I think that we may be seeing some of the Swine currently trying one of these angles out, in the form of Swine Pseudo-activism.

The Swine Pseudo-artists tried to mainly focus their assaults on the aesthetics of the game, on the setting, on things like product (with metaplot, etc), and the “fashion” of the game. When that failed, the Swine Pseudo-intellectuals put their primary focus on assaulting the foundational systems of the game, not just game mechanics but also the baseline mechanical assumptions of what defines an RPG, trying to change those definitions to suit their agenda. They were repulsed.

Now, they are going to try to subvert gaming by attacking neither setting nor system nor underlying definitions, but by attacking the social structures of the hobby; by accusing the hobby of perpetuating crimes against “social justice”, in other words the dominant morality as defined by a group of self-styled paragons of sensitivity in certain highly restricted bubbles of quasi-intellectual feminist-marxist liberalism; ironically, they’re taking something straight out of the Pat Pulling playbook by claiming that RPGs are immoral, these people who claim to love gaming. Strange way to show it.

This was from 2013. (Edit: oops, its a *repost*, from 2012.
 
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Are discussions about Berserk also verboten there, just because there was a page with the infamous troll sex scene?
I mean, if we're going down the road of banning all media that portrays or implies rape...
 
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It wasn't even thirty seconds, it was like five. Enough to get the point across about what was happening, but it wasn't some porn scene. They're completely allergic to anything being depicted as happening to women, no matter how utterly shitty the surroundings are. Clearly women can just wander around downtown Kabul in a bikini now and nothing bad will ever occur, it's unthinkable that a place that's Satan's festering asshole might harbor sexual assault towards women, or that a creature that is purely malevolent will have no compunctions about doing a horrible act.

Thing is, in the moments before the woman is raped, the anime actually spends more time showing the guy in the party having his arms and legs held down by goblins while other goblins hack and dismember the shit out of him. Horrible, brutal murder: RPGnet sleeps. Awful things might be rapey: REAL SHIT.
SJWs love that shit. All sorts of media they've infected are like that. The first two that come to mind are the Birds of Prey movie (sure, our villain and his sidekick murder an entire family, but you know what makes him really evil? Being mean to women!) and some Darkseid comic thing (sure, our villain has tried to destroy the multiverse numerous times, but you know what makes him really evil? Being sexist, in a way that's actually out of character for him!)

Fuck, you even saw it with Andrew Cuomo. Sending covid-infected elderly people back into their aged care homes, killing over 3/4ths of their inhabitants? That's not even considered worthy of rebuke. Getting #metoo'd? Look who's resigning now. Their priorities display their complete absence of empathy, which is made even worse by how loudly they declare themselves the only people who can empathise with others, that they try and gatekeep what counts as empathy and why they have the most. Hypocritical zealots.

Without having seen a frame of it: one could get the feeling that one of the reasons they hate Goblin Slayer so much is, by having a rape scene, they can no longer write their multi-paragraph screeds about how the goblins are Good, Actually, how the straight man fighting them is the bad guy, how the show is racist for portraying the clearly BIPOC-coded goblins as evil when it's all colonialism's fault. But the goblins are shown raping, so they can't be in the right (and it would go against the narrative to equate them to another skin colour), and can't 'subvert expectations'.
 
Stumbled onto this little Cassandra gem today:



This was from 2013. (Edit: oops, its a *repost*, from 2012.
All of Pundit's articles seem prescient today. I used to think he was overly cynical but it's hard to disagree with that outlook now that the mask is off with most of the tabletop industry.
 
I wonder how often the mods jizz themselves over their sick ban message burns they hand out.
They act like they're the little boy in that Twilight Zone episode wishing people into the cornfield, instead of pathetic retards kicking other retards off one of the shittiest forums on the Internet, which is actually a favor to them.
 
Without having seen a frame of it: one could get the feeling that one of the reasons they hate Goblin Slayer so much is, by having a rape scene, they can no longer write their multi-paragraph screeds about how the goblins are Good, Actually, how the straight man fighting them is the bad guy, how the show is racist for portraying the clearly BIPOC-coded goblins as evil when it's all colonialism's fault. But the goblins are shown raping, so they can't be in the right (and it would go against the narrative to equate them to another skin colour), and can't 'subvert expectations'.
Conversely, I get the impression that many defenders defend the anime not because they've watched or liked it but because they want to pwn the sjws. I tried watching it, but I couldn't stomach its sadistic violence (the goblins rape/murder underage teenagers, flay people alive and nail them to shields, etc), puerile treatment of serious issues, and the writing was generic and boring as hell.

It's not a good story. Aside from being puerile and edgelordy (I'd say "misogynistic", but that's lost all meaning nowadays and isn't taken seriously even when it would make sense to apply), the world building is both generic D&D clone (which has its own issues that are too big to tackle here) and its unique aspect doesn't hold up under scrutiny. The 1d4chan page points out that you can't simultaneously depict the goblins as a big threat to civilization and as a harmless pest to the same civilization depending on whether it's convenient for the narrative at that moment, as that breaks suspension of disbelief.

On the other hand, I have seen people try to argue that the goblins are a racist metaphor anyway. "That other tribe wants to rape our women" being a screed as old as time immemorial. I don't see anything in the goblins that is specifically racist caricature against non-whites, unlike the painfully obvious satire in terraformars. (Fun Fact: GS started as a 2chan thread where an image of the terraformars was used to represent the goblins.) You could argue that they're a representation for the horrors of colonialism, in which colonizers (whether white, mongol, whatever) brutally subjugated and raped innocent indigenous peoples both literally and metaphorically. However, considering how generally mediocre the writing is I strongly doubt the author of GS was introspective or worldly enough to deliberately invoke that sort of discourse. (Whereas terraformers is so obnoxious that I can't tell whether it's a The Iron Dream-style satire or not. I certainly hope it's satirical rather than earnest, because otherwise that would mean the SJWs have a point. Sometimes.)

The biggest sin I can level at GS personally is that it isn't WarCraft: Orcs & Humans. In that game, the orcs are conquistadors. Full stop. In the second game, they even recruit persecuted minorities to fight for them a la Cortez and the Aztecs. That's interesting, complex, nuanced, morally clusterfucked, very human-like despite being aliens from another world. (Ignore the retcons that they were innocent victims in the third game, that's war crime erasure bullshit.) I wish more orcs/goblins in fiction were like that, rather than the false dichotomy of either simplistic puppets of evil or poor innocent stand-ins for non-white people.

But if GS waifus makes your dick hard, then who am I to tell you what or what not to enjoy? In a few years it will be completely forgotten in favor of the next big thing like 99% of anime are, so there's really no point in caring very long. I'm personally waiting on the upcoming RTS Edge of Chaos, which has orcs that raise humans as food.
 
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I don't see anything all that incongruous. Gobins are weak, and aren't a threat, until they are. They're child-sized and child-strong, but a fucking psycho child with a knife can easily kill an adult, especially if they get the drop on the adult. And one or two trying to steal your chickens isn't gonna be a big deal if you grab a baseball bat and come out swinging, but thirty of them at night when they can see and you can't and you have a problem. That's sort of the point of the story; both goblins and Goblin Slayer overcome bad odds by doing things smarter than their opponents are expecting and by not having a shred of hesitation in acting.

To bring things more in line with RPGs, there was a beginner adventure for 4th edition D&D when it came out, and one of the common opponents in it was kobolds. In 4E kobolds tended to have an ability that whenever someone moved up to them, they could immediately react by moving five feet. They schooled the shit out of the players in my game. The PCs would run in expecting to just faceroll the level 1 monsters, only to find themselves surrounded and stabbed from all sides. That kind of interesting tactical combat really cemented my appreciation for that edition since I love turn based strategy, but it also syncs up nicely with how goblins are both weak and dangerous.
 
I don't see anything all that incongruous. Gobins are weak, and aren't a threat, until they are. They're child-sized and child-strong, but a fucking psycho child with a knife can easily kill an adult, especially if they get the drop on the adult. And one or two trying to steal your chickens isn't gonna be a big deal if you grab a baseball bat and come out swinging, but thirty of them at night when they can see and you can't and you have a problem. That's sort of the point of the story; both goblins and Goblin Slayer overcome bad odds by doing things smarter than their opponents are expecting and by not having a shred of hesitation in acting.

To bring things more in line with RPGs, there was a beginner adventure for 4th edition D&D when it came out, and one of the common opponents in it was kobolds. In 4E kobolds tended to have an ability that whenever someone moved up to them, they could immediately react by moving five feet. They schooled the shit out of the players in my game. The PCs would run in expecting to just faceroll the level 1 monsters, only to find themselves surrounded and stabbed from all sides. That kind of interesting tactical combat really cemented my appreciation for that edition since I love turn based strategy, but it also syncs up nicely with how goblins are both weak and dangerous.
Did you even read the 1d4chan article?
 
The 1d4chan page points out that you can't simultaneously depict the goblins as a big threat to civilization and as a harmless pest to the same civilization depending on whether it's convenient for the narrative at that moment, as that breaks suspension of disbelief.

Did you even read the 1d4chan article?
Without having read the article - and again, never having watched the show - I will say that that's a very common bit of double-think. Jake Alley is a great example of this, where the alt-right TERF Literal Nazis are ever-present and trying to murder him daily, but at the same time they're just a dozen basement-dwelling chuds running hundreds of sock accounts who can and should be ignored.

Not defending the writing of a show I've never seen, just that treating your enemy as both those things simultaneously/whichever is narratively convenient is something a lot of people do.
 
Conversely, I get the impression that many defenders defend the anime not because they've watched or liked it but because they want to pwn the sjws. I tried watching it, but I couldn't stomach its sadistic violence (the goblins rape/murder underage teenagers, flay people alive and nail them to shields, etc), puerile treatment of serious issues, and the writing was generic and boring as hell.
I don’t watch anime period, anymore, because I prefer to just read manga, which is faster, or the light novels which are richer….

But I’ll actually agree with you that it’s a mediocre tryhard grimdark series (with a few interesting takes - the idea of goblin hunter as exterminator more than hero is interesting), and I say that as an isekai faggot who can even enjoy In Another World With My Cellphone, albeit it because it’s hilariously trash.

That said, I think trying to completely memory hole it is as silly as trying to lionize it, because like you said - it’s not really doing anything unique or crazy. For example, I feel like the attempted rape in Sword Art Online was much more out of place and inappropriate because of how much it raised the stakes and changed the tone of an otherwise mostly lighthearted adventure series, whereas the scene in Goblin Slayer is part of establishing the tone of “this is a brutal and unhappy series.”
 
The 1d4chan page points out that you can't simultaneously depict the goblins as a big threat to civilization and as a harmless pest to the same civilization depending on whether it's convenient for the narrative at that moment, as that breaks suspension of disbelief.
Huh? Goblin Slayer doesn't depict the goblins as a big threat to civilization, or as harmless pests. It depicts them as a constant low level threat. Easy to deal with when it's one caught stealing from a farm or something, but if villages ignore the problem for too long before calling in adventurers then the threat can grow to the point it wipes out the village. Most nests are small and can be handled by a band of rookie adventurers if they're not careless or unlucky. If a nest has grown big enough to swallow a band of adventurers, there are enough problems in the world that people just shrug it off as bad luck, particularly if the second or third band takes care of it. If a village ends up getting wiped out that's sad, but small potatoes when you've got problems like a dark elf trying to summon an evil god, or a lich trying to sacrifice cities to become a planeswalker.

So they aren't a threat that's going to be pulling down kingdoms and wiping out civilization. Nor are they harmless pests. They're low level shit that most adventurers don't care to deal with, while there's regularly a bit of breakage of unlucky rookies and villagers.
 
Guys, it's just a show about two gods playing D&D with murderhobo goblins who are also into rape.
Yep.

whereas the scene in Goblin Slayer is part of establishing the tone of “this is a brutal and unhappy series.”
Did you watch the series? The tone is all over the place. The first episode makes it look like Berserk and then the rest are generic fantasy anime hijinks.

Huh? Goblin Slayer doesn't depict the goblins as a big threat to civilization, or as harmless pests. It depicts them as a constant low level threat
Take it up with /tg/


just that treating your enemy as both those things simultaneously/whichever is narratively convenient is something a lot of people do.
IIRC, this is supposedly a hallmark of fascist thinking. Funny that you mention that it’s common among SJWs…
 
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