Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

[Ishtar]

Someone said earlier that a lot of the outrage is coming from the globalist/NGO/cosmopolitan class, not so much because Afghanistan fell but because Kabul fell.

Kabul was a colony of the global managerial class, semi westernized, with top notch accommodations and imported sensibilities. Journalists, NGO “activists”, spooks, and businessmen that spent time in that city-considered it theirs, a New York becoming in Central Asia.

It makes sense, and betrays the deep fear of the urban decadent, that a dedicated rural insurgency might one day storm Paris or London or New York City or DC. So in some ways, they aren’t wrong to see trump supporters as “the American Taliban” in the city-countryside struggle they are much the same.

 

[buttvomit]

Autistic (and probably incorrect because I don't know my ribbons for shit, and I can hardly see the picture) list of Milley's awards from top to bottom (multiple awards are ignored):

1) Defense Distinguished Service Medal - Sounds like the sort of thing a Lieutenant General receives by default (non combat).
2) Army Distinguished Service Medal - Probably a gimme for completing various commands (non combat).
3) Defense Superior Service Medal - Didn't fuck up as a senior leader medal (non combat).
4) Bronze Star - Did a good job that one time. Maybe combat related, but SERIOUSLY devalued over the last 20 years.
5) Meritorious Service Medal - Didn't fuck up as a more junior leader (non combat).
6) Army Commendation Medal - Everybody gets one of these from time to time (non combat).
7) Army Achievement Medal - Equivalent to a report card on the fridge. Everyone has at least a few of these (non combat).
National Defense Service Medal -EVERYONE gets this if they serve during "wartime" (not combat, non anything at all).
9) ? but probably Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal - Deploy OCONUS and you get this basically.
10) Afghanistan Campaign Medal - Deployed to Afghanistan during the war.
11) Iraq Campaign Medal - Deployed to Iraq during the war.
12) Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal - Deployed in the last 20 years basically.
13) Global War on Terrorism Service Medal - Served in the last 20 years.
14) ? Korean Defense Service Medal - Stationed in fucking Korea at some point.
15) Humanitarian Service Medal - Handed out MRE's, threw piss bottles, or looked out the window at a disaster area at some point.
16) MOTHERFUCKING ARMY SERVICE RIBBON - BADGE OF HOMOSEXUALITY FOR JOINING THE ARMY.
17) Overseas Service Ribbon - ANOTHER one for getting on a plane that one time.
1 ? - Whatever it is it ranks lower than the Army Service Ribbon.
19) Multinational Force and Observers Medal - Globohomo.

I'm probably wrong about some of these.

TLDR: The only one that MIGHT, might have value are the Bronze Stars. Everything else is just lemon drops and redundant participation awards. Awards are gay.

He also has a Combat Infantry Badge (2 actually) which means he participated in ground combat. Also Special Force Tab, Ranger Tab, Divers Badge. The dude was a soldier at one point.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

He also has a Combat Infantry Badge (2 actually) which means he participated in ground combat. Also Special Force Tab, Ranger Tab, Divers Badge. The dude was a soldier at one point.

The CIB got so degraded that it pretty much meant "Was in a zone that was attacked" or "Was present at an FOB that had some sniper or mortar fire" by about 2007 according to the people I know in the VFW/AFL.

As for the SF, Rangers, Divers, there's two things about that.

Number one, you have the guys that do it and live it. They stay Rangers, stay SF.

It becomes REALLY obvious, really quickly, that he was doing the old "schools to get promoted branch."

Dude was never a soldier. He was a petty time puncher.

Fuck him.

 

[Plank]

Someone said earlier that a lot of the outrage is coming from the globalist/NGO/cosmopolitan class, not so much because Afghanistan fell but because Kabul fell.

Kabul was a colony of the global managerial class, semi westernized, with top notch accommodations and imported sensibilities. Journalists, NGO “activists”, spooks, and businessmen that spent time in that city-considered it theirs, a New York becoming in Central Asia.

It makes sense, and betrays the deep fear of the urban decadent, that a dedicated rural insurgency might one day storm Paris or London or New York City or DC. So in some ways, they aren’t wrong to see trump supporters as “the American Taliban” in the city-countryside struggle they are much the same.

I haven't followed Afghanistan and Kabul close enough to speak to it, however do I believe the outrage/panic over the complete and utter failure in Afghanistan is also coming from:

1. The renunciation(and lie) by Biden of the US being in the business of regime change/nation building.
2. There appears to be no back up plan for US presence in Central Asia

The piece of shit Blair(perhaps the main architect of the West's endless Middle East regime change wars) acolytes in Britian are losing their fucking minds over Biden's damage control comments.

And normally if the US had gotten their assess kicked, they would have just setup shop(both military and intellegence) across the border in a neighboring country with the pretext of 'fighting terrorism' or 'a responsibility to protect' all the while arming and sending terror groups into the country they just got kicked out from.

But Russia and China of 2021 are not the same gullible global actors they were ten years ago where they would rubber stamp such US pretexts without much hesitation. Both powers have made it clear that they are putting a stop to US meddling in the region. Which I assume means no US intelligence stations in the countries around Afghanistan, no airstrips, no 'freedom fighter' training bases, etc.

For the US intelligence agencies, Central Asia just went completely dark.

Also, keeping Afghanistan a clusterfuck meant that China's Belt and Road was completely blocked for its link up to Iran. Now unless the tiny anti-Taliban section of the country can get some sort of outside arms and funding, China is about to rapidly press forward on building road and rail right across the entire extent of Afghanistan. And unless the US manages to salvage something of their current disaster in Afghanistan, oil and goods are going to be flowing between Iran and China in the very near future.

 

[Some JERK]

As for the SF, Rangers, Divers, there's two things about that.

Number one, you have the guys that do it and live it. They stay Rangers, stay SF.

There's a big difference between a Ranger tab and a Ranger scroll.

 

[buttvomit]

The CIB got so degraded that it pretty much meant "Was in a zone that was attacked" or "Was present at an FOB that had some sniper or mortar fire" by about 2007 according to the people I know in the VFW/AFL.

As for the SF, Rangers, Divers, there's two things about that.

Number one, you have the guys that do it and live it. They stay Rangers, stay SF.

It becomes REALLY obvious, really quickly, that he was doing the old "schools to get promoted branch."

Dude was never a soldier. He was a petty time puncher.

Fuck him.

SF selection is hard af as is Ranger school. The dude was in 5th special force group at one point in his career. As for the CIB you dont get it for being present for a mortar or rocket attack. I got my Combat Action Badge for getting ambushed not for rockets lobed over a fence. The dude was a soldier and he was long tabbed and ranger tabbed aka a bad ass.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Well having listened to the idiocy spewing from our "leaders" I can safely conclude there is no plan for getting Americans out of Afghanistan. Just wonderful.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

SF selection is hard af as is Ranger school. The dude was in 5th special force group at one point in his career. As for the CIB you dont get it for being present for a mortar or rocket attack. I got my Combat Action Badge for getting ambushed not for rockets lobed over a fence. The dude was a soldier and he was long tabbed and ranger tabbed aka a bad ass.

All right, I'll admit he made it through Ranger school and SF selection Q Course. I've got my own doubts, since it reminds me of a lot of dudes I saw with the tab that I wouldn't trust to pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

For award of the CIB a Soldier must meet the following three requirements:

(1) Be an infantryman satisfactorily performing infantry duties.

(2) Assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat.

(3) Actively participate in such ground combat. Campaign or battle credit alone is not sufficient for award of the CIB.

The specific eligibility criteria for the CIB require that an officer (SSI 11 or 1 in the grade of colonel or below, or an Army enlisted Soldier or warrant officer with an infantry or Special Forces MOS, who subsequent to 6 December 1941 has satisfactorily performed duty while assigned or attached as a member of an infantry, ranger or special forces unit of brigade, regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat. Eligibility for Special Forces personnel in Military Occupational Specialties (MOS) 18B, 18C, 18E, 18F, and 18Z (less Special Forces medical sergeant) accrues from 20 December 1989. Retroactive awards of the CIB to Special Forces personnel are not authorized prior to 20 December 1989. A recipient must be personally present and under hostile fire while serving in an assigned infantry or Special Forces primary duty, in a unit actively engaged in ground combat with the enemy. The unit in question can be of any size smaller than brigade.

Personnel with other than an infantry or Special Forces MOS are not eligible, regardless of the circumstances. The infantry or Special Forces SSI or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty, as long as the Soldier has been properly trained in infantry or Special Forces tactics, possesses the appropriate skill code, and is serving in that specialty when engaged in active ground combat as described above. Awards will not be made to general officers or to members of headquarters companies of units larger in size than brigade

On or after 18 September 2001, a Soldier must be an Army infantry or special forces officer (SSI 11 or 1 in the grade of colonel or below, or an Army enlisted Soldier or warrant officer with an infantry or special forces MOS, who has satisfactorily performed duty while assigned or attached as a member of an infantry, ranger or special forces unit of brigade, regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat, to close with and destroy the enemy with direct fires. A Soldier must be personally present and under fire while serving in an assigned infantry or Special Forces primary duty, in a unit engaged in active ground combat, to close with and destroy the enemy with direct fires. Soldiers possessing MOS of 18D (Special Forces Medical Sergeant) who satisfactorily perform special forces duties while assigned or attached to a special forces unit of brigade, regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat may be awarded the CIB. These Soldiers must have been personally present and engaged in active ground combat, to close with and destroy the enemy with direct fires. Retroactive awards under these criteria are not authorized for service prior to 18 September 2001. Those Soldiers possessing MOS of 18D who qualify for award of the CMB from 18 September 2001 to 3 June 2005 will remain qualified for the badge.

Number Three is where I always saw shenanigans.

There's a LOT of wiggle room in there, and I've seen the Army use it pretty good to make sure officers got it.

Remember, this dude has been in since 1980. I remember the dickheads of that era pretty precisely. I saw a LOT of careerist officers with the same shit. SF Tab. Ranger Tab. Airborne Tab. Air assault and Airborne medals. Schools out the ass, usually always manuevering for the next school.

I'm sorry, he's a pencil pushing timecard puncher that I'm not impressed with, and I was the fucking REMFiest REMF that ever REMF'd.

He's been in for 41 years, and THAT'S his fucking award list.

 

[Analphylactic Shock]

If the Taliban start to sell Americans into slavery, could I buy two and get one free? Do I have to pay extra shipping for the fat ones?

 

[buttvomit]

There's a big difference between a Ranger tab and a Ranger scroll.

You can get assigned to the 75th ranger regiment without going through ranger school

 

[mr.moon1488]

SF selection is hard af as is Ranger school. The dude was in 5th special force group at one point in his career. As for the CIB you dont get it for being present for a mortar or rocket attack. I got my Combat Action Badge for getting ambushed not for rockets lobed over a fence. The dude was a soldier and he was long tabbed and ranger tabbed aka a bad ass.

If you have the right friends you can get your CIB from basically nothing. The reverse is also true, and you can get fucked out of your CIB really easily. I knew plenty of dudes towards the end of the war who pulled force pro at FOBs, actually got into ticks while doing so but then got told "lol no" when it came to getting theirs.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

oil and goods are going to be flowing between Iran and China in the very near future.

Yet they're trying their best to stop oil glowing between the US and Canada.

 

[oldTireWater]

As for the CIB you dont get it for being present for a mortar or rocket attack.

You can get a CIB for having a fucking orange peel thrown at you, let alone hearing a mortar go off somewhere. It means nothing.

Not many 11A's are going to make it to senior commands without getting a Ranger tab. It doesn't mean they did anything, just that they were able to tolerate physical misery at some point in their early careers. Sure the long tab is impressive, but it sure doesn't mean he was killing people with his bare hands. Schools do not make badasses.

My point with the original post is that awards are meaningless and gay, Nobody should be impressed by a uniform. I'd have more respect for that jowly fuck if he just wore a regular suit. It's not like anybody is going to tell him he's out of uniform.

 

[дядя Боря]

Yet they're trying their best to stop oil glowing between the US and Canada.

China does, do you really think that they buy Hunter's paintings for their artistic value?

 

[buttvomit]

You can get a CIB for having a fucking orange peel thrown at you, let alone hearing a mortar go off somewhere. It means nothing.

Not many 11A's are going to make it to senior commands without getting a Ranger tab. It doesn't mean they did anything, just that they were able to tolerate physical misery at some point in their early careers. Sure the long tab is impressive, but it sure doesn't mean he was killing people with his bare hands. Schools do not make badasses.

My point with the original post is that awards are meaningless and gay, Nobody should be impressed by a uniform. I'd have more respect for that jowly fuck if he just wore a regular suit. It's not like anybody is going to tell him he's out of uniform.

They send cadets from west point to ranger school now can get tabbed before they even get their first assignment

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

They send cadets from west point to ranger school now can get tabbed before they even get their first assignment

Ah, they're back to that shit again.

Fucking Ring Knockers, not even once.

I knew plenty of 11B's and guys who were with "Ranger Detachments" in Europe who fucking HATED 75th Regiment (Oh, despite the fact we sit on our asses and jerk our dicks why you guys are actually doing shit, WE'RE the REAL Rangers) and hated the officers who ALWAYS bumped enlisted trying to go to hotly contested schools.

It got so bad that at one point they opened an Air Assault school in fucking FULDA of all places because CONUS faggots kept scooping the Air Assault slot NEEDED by like 3 MOS's at the time. What happened? The fucking CONUS officer fags swarmed the school till the European commander said "LOL, No CONUS Club!" on the door. Hell, they were even talking about opening up a Ranger school in Graf at one point, with mountaineering training in Wildflicken because of so many careerist douchebags clogging the schools.

Ever heard a Captain whining "BUT I NEED IT FOR PROMOTION!" about why he needs a school over the six hundred enlisted who need it for their job description?

It's fucking glorious.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

They're now claiming 16k people got out in the last 24 hours. A couple hours ago the number was like 10,900.

These are ridiculous numbers, higher than they said were possible at maximum capacity last week, and not remotely in keeping with flight traffic. I really think they're just trying to sow so much confusion that the average American thinks almost everyone made it out.

Also, the new liberal party line is "well, what were those stragglers doing still in Afghanistan, anyway?" and laughing about how they should have gotten out sooner.

To be honest, you'd think the party that couldn't countenance a mean tweet would have a problem with saying "people who believed the US government that there was no danger deserve to die for not leaving sooner," but evidently not.

 

[buttvomit]

Ah, they're back to that shit again.

Fucking Ring Knockers, not even once.

I knew plenty of 11B's and guys who were with "Ranger Detachments" in Europe who fucking HATED 75th Regiment (Oh, despite the fact we sit on our asses and jerk our dicks why you guys are actually doing shit, WE'RE the REAL Rangers) and hated the officers who ALWAYS bumped enlisted trying to go to hotly contested schools.

It got so bad that at one point they opened an Air Assault school in fucking FULDA of all places because CONUS faggots kept scooping the Air Assault slot NEEDED by like 3 MOS's at the time. What happened? The fucking CONUS officer fags swarmed the school till the European commander said "LOL, No CONUS Club!" on the door. Hell, they were even talking about opening up a Ranger school in Graf at one point, with mountaineering training in Wildflicken because of so many careerist douchebags clogging the schools.

Ever heard a Captain whining "BUT I NEED IT FOR PROMOTION!" about why he needs a school over the six hundred enlisted who need it for their job description?

It's fucking glorious.

I always tried to avoid schools as much as possible when I was in. Got my stripes and kept them till I got out without wlc.
The one summer I did medical coverage for the ranges at west point when the cadets did their summer training. They brought an air assault class to the cadets. Looked fucking boring as fuck learning how sling load shit and do a dumb obstacle course. The only cool shit in that school is repelling down from the Blackhawk.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

They're now claiming 16k people got out in the last 24 hours. A couple hours ago the number was like 10,900.

These are ridiculous numbers, higher than they said were possible at maximum capacity last week, and not remotely in keeping with flight traffic. I really think they're just trying to sow so much confusion that the average American thinks almost everyone made it out.

Also keep in mind that this isn't Americans, these are just grab bag of whomever managed to make it through the wire, mainly Afghani. The real target of these airlift, citizens of Western countries are still stuck across the entire country and there has been a firm redline and end date given by the Taliban, Aug 31st. This is going to cause an even greater mob effect by the Afghan people around the airport and equally frustrate the Taliban who are trying to tamp down a minor crime wave as the city is being reorganized under their rule. I hardly hear of anything from Herat, Khandahar, or Jalalabad, and most certainly nothing from the rural areas. In theory each of these cities has their own airport that can do civilian air traffic and could be points of collection for American citizens to depart the country, not everyone was saddled in Kabul.

 

[tehpope]

Run Don't Walk's recap on this clusterfuck.