Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Fliddaroonie]

Shingles is basically just chickenpox. I never knew it as a kid, but when my mom said "you'll never get chickenpox or shingles because you got a shot against it" she was right, because apparently the chickenpox vaccine was rolled out in the US in the 90s and it was successful enough that I only knew a few kids growing up who ever had it which was basically a first.

It is, but it's a re-presentation of chickenpox. When you get chickenpox, it never goes away. It "lives" in the dorsal root ganglia. Then when you get run down, you get shingles as your body can't keep it at bay. This is common with many of the herpes viruses, like herpes simplex I and II.

You don't catch it over and over, once you get it, it's there forever. Which is, admittedly crap, but it's manageable.

I can totally understand why we immunise against meningitis. A friend of mine lost his 7 year old boy to it a few years ago, and it was truly awful. It can go from nothing to deathly serious very, very fast, as well, and if people do survive it, they often have to have limbs amputated because of sepsis and necrosis, which is awful.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

The only thing they'll never report is if the vaccines really are making things worse.

Correct, however I believe that even if they wanted to do so they couldn't, at least not at this point in time. For every negative report coming out about the vaccine there seems to be at least one positively slanted report to counter it. I won't comment on the efficacy of these studies as I'm not a trained scientist, however I think its obvious at this point (to anyone with half a brain) that statistics are easily manipulated, and soft wording does its part as well. This whole vaccine campaign has caused more suspicion and distrust of science and the medical field than any Christian fundamentalist antivaxxer(in the proper sense not clown world sense) ever could. I no longer feel I can trust any statistics I read online, sure its nice to have them, but all I can really trust is what I see with my own eyes, and am told from associates I know IRL. I won't be able to trust any negative or positive narratives from the media until I start seeing them correlate with what I see on the ground, this isn't Afghanistan I can walk outside and talk to people about what's going on because this is a national, and even global news narrative not some remote story that only foreigner's and journalist's can report on.

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[Salubrious]

I didn't even know this. You have no legal right to know which variant of COVID you caught because the sequencing is a secret.

You aren't legally allowed to know which variant gave you COVID-19 in the US, even if it's Delta

Sequencing tests, which pick up on variants, have be federally approved before their results can be disclosed to doctors or patients.

www.yahoo.com

You aren't legally allowed to know which variant gave you COVID-19 in the US, even if it's Delta

• Most people with COVID-19 in the US are legally prevented from knowing which variant infected them.
• That's because sequencing tests have to be federally approved for results to be disclosed to doctors or patients, and most are not yet.
• Lab scientists say the process of validating the tests for approval is too costly and time-consuming.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

So if ADE from the vaccines is a problem, the question is now how long does the immunity actually last? Booster shot after six months would suggest not that long, but if the booster shots are mainly there to prevent mass cases of ADE, I don't know. Media reports different and contradicting things every week, anyway. Lifelong immunity, short-time immunity... The only thing they'll never report is if the vaccines really are making things worse.

Well, looking at the Israel and UK data, the effectiveness seems to be down aroun 17-30% by three months from about 50% in prevention (or at least reduction to symptoms so mild it goes unnoticed). Unfortunately most of the people in this group are already old, so I can't rule out that it might last a bit longer in younger people.

There was a paper suggesting you would only be deemed fully vaccinated for the 2 1/2 months between boosters and after the two weeks to activate. So quarterly, but you also lose two weeks everytime.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

So much doom and gloom in this thread. Will the vaccine getting FDA Approved make it fine to take or will guys still refuse?

 

[Salubrious]

So much doom and gloom in this thread. Will the vaccine getting FDA Approved make it fine to take or will guys still refuse?

The people that say "No more excuses" either don't know or don't care WHY people are vaccine hesitant.

Most people are vaccine hesitant because they either think they'll be fine when (not if) they catch COVID (right or wrong), or because they don't trust the government (see only 27% of black people in NYC being fully vaccinated.)

If you don't trust the government, a different government body giving their approval means nothing.

Especially one that, let's just say, is a little too close to Big Pharma in the first place.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

So much doom and gloom in this thread. Will the vaccine getting FDA Approved make it fine to take or will guys still refuse?

LOL no. I can't give proper informed consent, there's no data on the long term effects. I don't take meds I can't give informed consent for. The people in my life who get to make decisions about care for me if I can't know this too, and are happy to ensure this is upheld if the worst happens to me.


Why would I take a medication which is irreversible, when I don't know how it's going to affect me in half a decade, for a virus I've had three times now, which had no serious effect on me, to protect other people? More to the point, if these vaccines are so good, if people have been vaccinated, what risk do I pose to them? More so given having the vaccine does nothing to prevent spread.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

So much doom and gloom in this thread. Will the vaccine getting FDA Approved make it fine to take or will guys still refuse?

I would basically only take any shot if it was rabies and I had just been mauled by a raccoon. So no. I don't have a high enough risk from covid to join Pfizer's subscription service and I think people who take the flu shot annually unless they are over 65 are gullible.

I haven't had a shot in 28 years with my last tetatnus booster that went badly. So fuck that. If I get wounded they will just give me a booster at the hospital anyhow, but as I don't tend to rub dirt in open wounds I don't have a very high exposure risk to tetatnus. I'm not a cum dumpster so I don't need all the STD shots. I guess I might have a chance of having shingles someday, but the covid shot stresses the body enough to induce that and for now my body is holding the chicken pox inside me at bay and neither of my parents ever had a flare up, either, so I wouldn't appear to be predisposed to that kind of body stress.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

So much doom and gloom in this thread. Will the vaccine getting FDA Approved make it fine to take or will guys still refuse?

Do you have an oracle that tells you the future?

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

The people that say "No more excuses" either don't know or don't care WHY people are vaccine hesitant.

Most people are vaccine hesitant because they either think they'll be fine when (not if) they catch COVID (right or wrong), or because they don't trust the government (see only 27% of black people in NYC being fully vaccinated.)

If you don't trust the government, a different government body giving their approval means nothing.

Especially one that, let's just say, is a little too close to Big Pharma in the first place.

"Muh Gubmint". Got ya.

I would basically only take any shot if it was rabies and I had just been mauled by a raccoon. So no. I don't have a high enough risk from covid to join Pfizer's subscription service and I think people who take the flu shot annually unless they are over 65 are gullible.

I haven't had a shot in 28 years with my last tetatnus booster that went badly. So fuck that. If I get wounded they will just give me a booster at the hospital anyhow, but as I don't tend to rub dirt in open wounds I don't have a very high exposure risk to tetatnus. I'm not a cum dumpster so I don't need all the STD shots. I guess I might have a chance of having shingles someday, but the covid shot stresses the body enough to induce that and for now my body is holding the chicken pox inside me at bay and neither of my parents ever had a flare up, either, so I wouldn't appear to be predisposed to that kind of body stress.

You won't take it until you're personally affected? How selfish.

LOL no. I can't give proper informed consent, there's no data on the long term effects. I don't take meds I can't give informed consent for. The people in my life who get to make decisions about care for me if I can't know this too, and are happy to ensure this is upheld if the worst happens to me.


Why would I take a medication which is irreversible, when I don't know how it's going to affect me in half a decade, for a virus I've had three times now, which had no serious effect on me, to protect other people? More to the point, if these vaccines are so good, if people have been vaccinated, what risk do I pose to them? More so given having the vaccine does nothing to prevent spread.

I wasn't aware you were a medical professional. My mistake.

 

[Protistology]

So much doom and gloom in this thread. Will the vaccine getting FDA Approved make it fine to take or will guys still refuse?

lol https://archive.md/aVvl3

 

[FFinfo]

"Muh Gubmint". Got ya.

When there's demonstrable instances before your eyes of the government either being completely wrong about things (as they have been) or acting out of political motivation and not ethical ones (as they have), it's a valid concern.

You won't take it until you're personally affected? How selfish.

If you can catch and spread COVID even while fully vaccinated (as the government has had to admit after previously claiming otherwise) how selfless is it to get vaccinated? It's not a matter of selfishness when the outcome is the same regardless of your vaccination status.

I wasn't aware you were a medical professional. My mistake.

See:

Never mistake the technical expertise of a group or individual for critical expertise. People that know how to do a thing don’t always know how to make use of it, or, more concerningly, don’t always have your best interests at heart when utilizing that knowledge.
Everyone responsible for the 2008 economic crisis went to a prestigious school and undoubtedly had more technical knowledge than you ever will, as does everyone running the banks that hand out student loans. As do the doctors chopping off genitals to make men “women”. Remember that.

Blindly following authority, specifically medical authority, gets you everything from deformed dongs on infant sons to "womb transplants" for transmen. It's foolishness. Medical malpractice is common. The opioid epidemic was entirely propagated by medical professionals. If it doesn't pass the sniff test, it might just be a complicated or counterintuitive reality. However, if your professional cannot explain in layman's terms (or they can and it still doesn't pass the sniff test) there's no reason not to be skeptical.
Or are we going to pretend that medical science has always been right on every novel decision that's been made since antiquity?

 

[Puff]

"Muh Gubmint". Got ya.

You won't take it until you're personally affected? How selfish.

I wasn't aware you were a medical professional. My mistake.

I'm not getting it because I want all the boomers and fatties to die. Get fucked.

 

[Vince McMahon]

So much doom and gloom in this thread. Will the vaccine getting FDA Approved make it fine to take or will guys still refuse?

Imagine not trusting your government so blindly, right? I mean, democracy is sacred! If you question why the ship is going towards those rocks, you are a traitor and a mutineer!

 

[Escaped Abortion]

You won't take it until you're personally affected? How selfish.

Yeah, I care about myself more than anyone else in the world, especially the faceless masses. From my perspective I'm the main character and the only one who's game over matters. Of course the shot doesn't preventing spreading and only lowers my own risk, so that shouldn't be an issue in this case. I would never go out of my way to help people as a general mass though. If a terrorist said they were going to shoot me or blow up busloads of children I would pick myself to be spared without hesitation. I don't value self-sacrifice and while I don't have a desire to harm others I won't lose sleep over their incidental suffering.

 

[Sanshain]

So much doom and gloom in this thread. Will the vaccine getting FDA Approved make it fine to take or will guys still refuse?

I will refuse until they acknowledge my rights to actually know what it is that's being injected into my veins and can prove that it actually works.

 

[Vince McMahon]

I will refuse until they acknowledge my rights to actually know what it is that's being injected into my veins and can prove that it actually works.

"Y-y-you're supposed to not to pay attention to our fuck-ups goy! Until you completely forget that we fucked-up the response to this in the first place, we will continue this."

- Some high-ranking politician, probably.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

lol https://archive.md/aVvl3

What is this suppose to prove? If people got vaccinated prior to the FDA Approval and came out fine then what is there to worry about?

Yeah, I care about myself more than anyone else in the world, especially the faceless masses. From my perspective I'm the main character and the only one who's game over matters. Of course the shot doesn't preventing spreading and only lowers my own risk, so that shouldn't be an issue in this case. I would never go out of my way to help people as a general mass though. If a terrorist said they were going to shoot me or blow up busloads of children I would pick myself to be spared without hesitation. I don't value self-sacrifice and while I don't have a desire to harm others I won't lose sleep over their incidental suffering.

Again, very selfish of you.

I will refuse until they acknowledge my rights to actually know what it is that's being injected into my veins and can prove that it actually works.

So, you're moving the goal post then?

If you can catch and spread COVID even while fully vaccinated (as the government has had to admit after previously claiming otherwise) how selfless is it to get vaccinated? It's not a matter of selfishness when the outcome is the same regardless of your vaccination status.

Vaccination helps prevent worse case scenarios with infection as it lessen the symptoms. It's also why they recommend you still wear mask despite it to help further prevent spread.

Blindly following authority, specifically medical authority, gets you everything from deformed dongs on infant sons to "womb transplants" for transmen. It's foolishness. Medical malpractice is common. The opioid epidemic was entirely propagated by medical professionals. If it doesn't pass the sniff test, it might just be a complicated or counterintuitive reality. However, if your professional cannot explain in layman's terms (or they can and it still doesn't pass the sniff test) there's no reason not to be skeptical.
Or are we going to pretend that medical science has always been right on every novel decision that's been made since antiquity?

So you think you know more than people who've been studying in the medical field for eight years? Got ya.

Of course they make mistakes. Despite their status they still are only human.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

"Muh Gubmint". Got ya.

You won't take it until you're personally affected? How selfish.

I wasn't aware you were a medical professional. My mistake.

If you think you have to be a medical professional to have a working knowledge of rights and medicolegal issues then youre a retard.

That said i was. For a good few years. But it was my interest in medical ethics, which predated my career choice, which led me to it.

Being informed and knowing things isnt a bad thing, most of us grew out of that in middle school. Sorry you failed to.

 

[Sanshain]

So, you're moving the goal post then?

Prove to me this vaccine actually works. If you're so certain, you can definitely provide compelling evidence.