Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

[Never Scored]

My analogy is good if you're the shitty lying manipulative asshole because he'd be too narcissistic to admit he's the issue. Also it's kinda funny how you keep saying "People are good except you, you're not good", what is it? Is everyone good? Or are there shitty people out there? Even if I'm the issue there'd be more people like me out there, so your argument can't even fucking work properly for 3 secs. Just stop thinking like a baby boy and realize that there's evil out there and more often than not it pays dividends to people and it is encouraged. It's not like current year is encouraging healthy dating habits at all.

You know how on this site we tend to make fun of people who say there are nazis waiting around every corner to beat the shit out of black and trans people? You're kind of coming off like those people. I don't think anyone denies that there are shitty people out there, just that you and others in this thread are grossly exaggerating how many people as a percentage of the population are shitty and it's making you come off as poorly socialized shut ins.

When I was on dating sites last before I met my wife back in 2010, I had a policy that I'd do at least one date with anyone I had even a passing interest in, fat, skinny, tall, short, older than me, younger than me whatever. I'm actually pretty extroverted and I used to really enjoy just going on these random dates with random women and meeting all these different people and getting this little window into someone's life, and then maybe deciding I wanted to keep that window open or shut that window and never open it again. I probably had a good 30-40 first dates over the years, and the number of legitimately shitty, manipulative people I met was probably like four.

Like, I don't know the actual statistical numbers for the percentage of women who are shitty. I can only speak from personal experience and reality does not appear to line up with what you're saying. It's like I'm looking at a picture of a zebra with my own eyes and someone's trying to tell me it's a giraffe.

 

[Megatardingo]

1. A narcissist wouldn't work to improve the perception of other narcissists. They want the attention for themselves only. A narcissist would gladly work to undermine positive perception of other people because it elevates him by default. This is how this shit works in real life, unlike your cartoon world.
2. What possible reason can i have to manipulate you into a more positive outlook? Am i going to try and scam you somehow? What's my angle here?
3. IM not saying everyone's a saint, i'm saying majority of people don't give a fuck enough to be malicious. Fundamentally different. Also, even if majority of people were "good" (???) whatever that means, there would still be room for a retard like you. "Majority" doesn't mean "everyone".
4. C O P E M O R E
5. You're not worth talking to anymore so i won't bother. cu qt bb xoxo

1. A narcissist only cares about himself therefore he would just say everything is right with the world because he is doing good and that's all that matters.
2.Why should there be an angle? You can be retarded without an angle.
3.If you don't give a fuck about your partner's feelings that's the same as being a dickwad and leads to the bitterness and resentment generally spoken off. "Hey who cares it's all something casual right?" it's really one of the main problems.
4.Okay buddy, mail me some of that copium to 123 easy street to take a swig.
5. I win and you're dumb.

You know how on this site we tend to make fun of people who say there are nazis waiting around every corner to beat the shit out of black and trans people? You're kind of coming off like those people. I don't think anyone denies that there are shitty people out there, just that you and others in this thread are grossly exaggerating how many people as a percentage of the population are shitty and it's making you come off as a poorly socialized shut in.

When I was on dating sites last before I met my wife back in 2010, I had a policy that I'd do at least one date with anyone I had even a passing interest in, fat, skinny, tall, short, older than me, younger than me whatever. I'm actually pretty extroverted and I used to really enjoy just going on these random dates with random women and meeting all these different people and getting this little window into someone's life, and then maybe deciding I wanted to keep that window open or shut that window and never open it again. I probably had a good 30-40 first dates over the years, and the number of legitimately shitty, manipulative people I met was probably like four.

Every time people talk about the current dating scene there's always this mongoloid that comes "well in 1956 when I met my wife that I married and remained married the dating scene seemed fine I don't know what people are complaining about", besides I don't even mind if you find the current state of affairs pleasing but I tell you it's a fucking horror-show for "normal" people that literally just want to date someone and finally settle down.

Don't ask me if it's smartphones, the freaking chemicals in the water or atheism+, I don't fucking know what it is but the number of absolutely degenerate weirdoes and general trashcans in the shape of a human beings spiked to untenable levels to the point where it ain't even about if you can or cannot get in but rather if you desire more to plug your cock to an electrical outlet than actually go on a 2nd date with that creature.

Side-note: Don't come at me with "oh we're gonna laugh at you" like you're the boogeyman or I'm gonna get a boner.

 

[Never Scored]

Every time people talk about the current dating scene there's always this mongoloid that comes "well in 1956 when I met my wife that I married and remained married the dating scene seemed fine I don't know what people are complaining about", besides I don't even mind if you find the current state of affairs pleasing but I tell you it's a fucking horror-show for "normal" people that literally just want to date someone and finally settle down.

Don't ask me if it's smartphones, the freaking chemicals in the water or atheism+, I don't fucking know what it is but the number of absolutely degenerate weirdoes and general trashcans in the shape of a human beings spiked to untenable levels to the point where it ain't even about if you can or cannot get in but rather if you desire more to plug your cock to an electrical outlet than actually go on a 2nd date with that creature.

Is the problem there are no nice girls who want to settle down, or that you are only able to attract "degenerate weirdoes and general trashcans in the shape of a human beings"? Even if you think my personal experience is moot because it's from around a decade ago, I have a large extended family of which my parents are the youngest on both sides and many, many cousins older than me with kids in their late teen/early 20s and they don't seem to be having any kind of issue meeting nice women/men and settling down. Last Christmas a few of my cousins' kids brought these very nice young men and women to introduce to everyone for the first time. Why is it they are succeeding when you're telling me it's nigh impossible?

I'm not saying this to shame you or to tell you my life story. The point is just the fact that there's a perceptible reality around me that I have to live in and your words do not appear to reflect it in any way.

Side-note: Don't come at me with "oh we're gonna laugh at you" like you're the boogeyman or I'm gonna get a boner.

I didn't say I was going to laugh at you. If you're interpreting my post that way, you're being overly sensitive, probably because you view yourself internally as a valid object of derision. I compared you to other people who see boogeymen everywhere. Nothing more nothing less.

*Edit*

I'd also like to point out that the goalposts have been shifted and we've gone from talking about untrustworthy assholes to degenerate weirdos. These are not the same thing. While I'm sure there is some overlap, being a degenerate weirdo does not make a person an untrustworthy asshole. There were absolutely degenerate weirdos on the dating scene in 2010. I met many who were very nice, I just didn't want to date them.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

Anon, watching lets plays is not a substitute for human interaction, if you get your outlook on life from shit like this then im really sorry for you
Social media was a mistake, people are unable to distinguish sensationalized stories from reality and its really fucking with everyone's heads. Stories always replaced reality but ever since media realized doomer shit gets more clicks = more money that's the only thing they've been pushing and the impact on society is clear.
When watching a video the first question is always "why does this exist?" and the most likely answer "money and fame for the creator".

What kind of backward logic is this? Wouldn't a con man be the first person to spot a con man?
Hey, maybe you just see miserable retards because you're one yourself, that would make logical sense at least.

Bruh, George Carlin and Friedrich Nietzsche

 

[Dreamer]

Bruh, George Carlin and Friedrich Nietzsche

Am is supposed to construct your argument for you based on some clown and a nietzsche? Why would i do that?

 

[Knight of the Rope]

I tell you it's a fucking horror-show for "normal" people that literally just want to date someone and finally settle down.

And we're telling you that most people date and interact with each other just fine, and that you're delusional.

 

[Mr Snek]

Bruh, I've had four serious relationships with women over the years and I've never had one of them screw me over. Get the fuck out of here with your 1 in 100 women are trustworthy shit. If I had to throw out a number, it's probably closer to 75% trustworthy 25% untrustworthy for the population as a whole. You have to get off the internet and interact with people to see this.

Unless your bar for "untrustworthy" is "she'll leave if she's unhappy" which is weird and toxic. Why would you stay with someone who makes you unhappy? You're going to die someday, why waste your life being unhappy?

My bar for untrustworthy is somewhere around "will rob you blind" and "will accuse you of being a pedophile".

Every few months I go and make an effort to socialise. And every time after a couple of weeks I'm so put off I lock myself in my room and go back to being an introvert for a few months.

 

[Meriasek]

My bar for untrustworthy is somewhere around "will rob you blind" and "will accuse you of being a pedophile".

Every few months I go and make an effort to socialise. And every time after a couple of weeks I'm so put off I lock myself in my room and go back to being an introvert for a few months.

Have you tried not being a pedophile?

 

[Never Scored]

My bar for untrustworthy is somewhere around "will rob you blind" and "will accuse you of being a pedophile".

Every few months I go and make an effort to socialise. And every time after a couple of weeks I'm so put off I lock myself in my room and go back to being an introvert for a few months.

So you're saying every time you make an effort to socialize, you meet someone who will rob you blind or accuse you of being a pedophile? Where in the hell are you trying to socialize with people?

 

[Meriasek]

So you're saying every time you make an effort to socialize, you meet someone who will rob you blind or accuse you of being a pedophile? Where in the hell are you trying to socialize with people?

Pretty sure he just starts rambling about how girls are most fertile at the age of 14 and how that's a historically common age to marry and shit, and how any woman above the age of 18 is basically a worthless roasty whore.

 

[Mr Snek]

So you're saying every time you make an effort to socialize, you meet someone who will rob you blind or accuse you of being a pedophile? Where in the hell are you trying to socialize with people?

Not usually, mostly socializing just pisses me off and makes me depressed so I don't like doing it. Life experience is what convinced me that women will use any lie or scam to fuck men over.

 

[Never Scored]

Not usually, mostly socializing just pisses me off and makes me depressed so I don't like doing it. Life experience is what convinced me that women will use any lie or scam to fuck men over.

What life experience? Have you been scammed or fucked over by a woman you dated? Please don't tell me you're basing this on some Only Fans bitch or YouTube videos or something.

You're making it sound as though you don't like socializing and you're trying to justify it to yourself by convincing yourself everyone else is terrible. There's nothing wrong with being introverted and not wanting to be social, but that doesn't make everyone else terrible.

I don't like bell peppers, but that doesn't make them terrible.

 

[Ser Prize]

I don't know how anyone dates at all outside of dating apps(which are universally shit). You can't really just meet strangers anymore with everyone being on their cells 24/7.

 

[Mr Snek]

What life experience? Have you been scammed or fucked over by a woman you dated? Please don't tell me you're basing this on some Only Fans bitch or YouTube videos or something.

You're making it sound as though you don't like socializing and you're trying to justify it to yourself by convincing yourself everyone else is terrible. There's nothing wrong with being introverted and not wanting to be social, but that doesn't make everyone else terrible.

I don't like bell peppers, but that doesn't make them terrible.

Trying not to powerlevel too much, but witnessing my mother accuse my father of being everything from a pedophile to a part of organised crime every night and having to physically stop her from attacking him with a knife several times is a good enough reason to hate women to me. And in spite of all of that, any time I brought it up with my dad he said she was still the best choice he had. Also a friend had a girl split up with him by sending him a video of her getting gangbanged.

 

[Never Scored]

Trying not to powerlevel too much, but witnessing my mother accuse my father of being everything from a pedophile to a part of organised crime every night and having to physically stop her from attacking him with a knife several times is a good enough reason to hate women to me. And in spite of all of that, any time I brought it up with my dad he said she was still the best choice he had.

Yeah, your parents' relationship has a big influence on your personal development and your view of relationships in general. The kind of crazy bitch your mom is is an outlier, but she's also your model for femininity and that has clearly fucked up your perspective on women. I hope someday you grow to enjoy socializing with women a little more and discover this is atypical.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

Trying not to powerlevel too much, but witnessing my mother accuse my father of being everything from a pedophile to a part of organised crime every night and having to physically stop her from attacking him with a knife several times is a good enough reason to hate women to me. And in spite of all of that, any time I brought it up with my dad he said she was still the best choice he had. Also a friend had a girl split up with him by sending him a video of her getting gangbanged.

Have you considered that they're just trashy parents? And that the apple didn't fall far from the tree? And that you're surrounded by trashy people with trashy relationships because birds flock together, etc?

 

[Vince McMahon]

Trying not to powerlevel too much, but witnessing my mother accuse my father of being everything from a pedophile to a part of organised crime every night and having to physically stop her from attacking him with a knife several times is a good enough reason to hate women to me. And in spite of all of that, any time I brought it up with my dad he said she was still the best choice he had. Also a friend had a girl split up with him by sending him a video of her getting gangbanged.

Having a dysfunctional family doesn't mean that all people are dysfunctional. It is extremely difficult not to view people as such though, yeah. But you have to constantly work and override that acquired experience, because otherwise if you keep looking for dysfunction, you will inevitably find it.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

Having a dysfunctional family doesn't mean that all people are dysfunctional.

Uh-oh, don't tell him that. Next he'll stumble upon the crazy idea that "just because some people are assholes doesn't mean that all people are assholes", which would blow the fuck out of his entire argument across the last couple of pages.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Uh-oh, don't tell him that. Next he'll stumble upon the crazy idea that "just because some people are assholes doesn't mean that all people are assholes", which would blow the fuck out of his entire argument across the last couple of pages.

I mean, I understand his attitude. Until a proverbial lightning strikes or someone will get him to therapy, having one too many brushes with assholes will set you in a "assume asshole" mode. He will likely not be receptive to arguments from the opposite side, until something in his life changes.

But yeah.

 

[Never Scored]

Uh-oh, don't tell him that. Next he'll stumble upon the crazy idea that "just because some people are assholes doesn't mean that all people are assholes", which would blow the fuck out of his entire argument across the last couple of pages.

The thing is you see your parents interact more than any other couple until you're with someone yourself for a while. It's going to be your model for relationships. It doesn't make him right, but it's understandable. That's why it's important to be careful who you choose to have kids with. The way you get along with this person will influence your kids for the rest of their lives. No offense intended toward Mr Snek, nobody asks to be born, but if his mom was his father's only option, his father probably shouldn't have had kids. You brought your kids into existence, you owe them happiness and stability until they grow into fully functional adults. His parents didn't give him that and now he's all fucked up because of it.