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[PFM]

Great infodump, but you're missing one of the worst -- J&J's off-label adventures with Risperdal. Over $10 billion and counting, in 2 separate sets of cases targeting the elderly and little kids. This shitshow has been ongoing for almost 2 decades now, and the Supreme Court just kicked them in the nuts again.

Side Effects Overview

Common side effects of Risperdal -- this list is incomplete as it largely is focused on kids. In the elderly and otherwise fragile, it can cause tardive dyskenesia (just like Thorazine) or death.

This one includes austistic kids and the elderly.

Elderly

Shenanigans all through the 90s into the early 2000s pushing Risperdal for off-label uses.

Bribery and corruption involving Risperdal in the USA and China, to the tune of billions in fines.

Nursing home kickbacks.

"Hostile outside, fragile inside."

Kids

Rollup of notable lawsuits

SciAm rundown of risks in autistic/ADHD kids -- this isn't complete, I recall endocrine/genital developmental disorders being linked in court docs when it was given to prepubescent kids but so far having no luck in digging up the old pre-2015 articles that mentioned those.

*****

Would love to add more dirt but it would be a gigantic professional PL. So I will leave it at TL;DR fuck J&J.

I half-assed a PDF with archived links from @Keystone

If someone can make a prettier better formatted version please do, at the very least this one is functional

 

[ToroidalBoat]

These past 1.x years have really increased my misanthropy and reduced my empathy.

Like I said, if Homo sapiens were created in the image of God, they surely fell from the Divine design.

Seems a rotten species* makes for a rotten world, and the most rotten rise to the top to make it worse.

*(overall maybe - after 2020 came I've had to remind myself more than once that not all are bad though)

 

[Ari Gold]

The pandemic endgame isn't here yet. But if we play our cards right, things will start getting better in 2023.​

After more than 18 months of living with COVID-19, everyone's exhausted.

The Delta coronavirus variant is by some estimates a thousand times as infectious as previous versions of the virus, which means masks are back (even for the vaccinated, in many places). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is stressing that "the war has changed" and not for the better.

But conversations with half a dozen of America's leading experts on COVID-19 make it clear we still shouldn't feel defeated.

Right now, we are the tortoise in the middle of a critical race against the virus, which appears to have the winning, twitch-like reflexes of a hare. It's becoming more contagious, even achieving mild infections and transmission in the fully vaccinated population, prompting new booster-dose guidance from the federal government.

"People are emotionally and mentally drained," the epidemiologist and infection-prevention expert Saskia Popescu said, lamenting how complicated it is to communicate the evolving science of the virus and to combat the novel virus itself.

Even so, the truth is we do still have the upper hand in the long run: Vaccines work and can help us win this war.

It's just going to take longer than many of us thought — at least a few more years before we can live truly postpandemic.

We're still headed in the right direction — we just have to be nimble​

Primary-school students in their face masks. Ina Fassbender/AFP via Getty Images
This may be the most complex part of the pandemic.

About a quarter of the world is fully vaccinated (including just over half of the US). That is not nearly enough vaccine-induced immunity to end the pandemic, especially with new variants emerging.

Vaccines are doing a very good job keeping people alive, out of the hospital, and healthy. But just because the vaccines work doesn't mean the pandemic is over.

"I'm very depressed," the infectious-disease expert Dr. Carlos del Rio, a distinguished professor of medicine at Emory University, said about the sluggish pace of vaccine uptake across the US.

"We didn't set the right expectations," said the infectious-disease expert Mike Osterholm, the director of the University of Minnesota Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy. "Most people feel like they don't need to worry anymore."

The vaccinated experts I spoke with are still taking lots of precautions and plan to keep doing so.

Dr. Paul Offit, a coinventor of the rotavirus vaccine, said he's not saying yes to any in-person conferences, even those scheduled for the end of 2022. "I'm waiting," he said.

So is Dr. Stanley Perlman, who's been studying coronaviruses for more than three decades. He's fully vaccinated, but is still double-masking when he goes to the movie theater and socially distancing when he has friends over to his home in Iowa (a state that's logging more than 700 new COVID-19 cases a day).

"I don't know anything else you can do on the individual level, except protect yourself and protect the people around you," he said.

Vaccine protection will most likely wane in the months and years ahead. That means mitigation measures like masks in indoor public spaces should still be a part of life while we work out an effective long-term disease-fighting strategy, whether it ends up looking like what we have for flu shots (boosters every year) or tetanus (boosters every decade).

"I am hopeful for the future, but I also know that this is going to be a lot longer of a struggle than people realize." Popescu said.

Yes, the vaccine goalposts have moved​

CDC vaccine cards already have extra lines on them for "other" doses. Lev Radin/Pacific Press/LightRocket via Getty Images
The US did not vaccinate fast enough to build up a strong base of viral protection before Delta took over. Instead, as some people got their shots, we all eased up rapidly on mitigation measures.

And with Delta here, the number of people who must get vaccinated for society-wide "herd immunity" protection to kick in has gone way up.

Offit shared some back-of-the-napkin math on this, based on a well-regarded formula he helped develop for herd immunity.

His calculation comes down to two variables: the infectiousness of a disease (which has gone up considerably for COVID-19 with Delta) and the effectiveness of the vaccines (which has gone down slightly for COVID-19 with Delta).

Estimating generously, Offit expects we need at least 90% of the country protected through some combination of vaccinations and previous infections to develop meaningful herd immunity.

Others agree with his rough calculus, which the US hasn't come close to achieving.

"One endgame would be getting 80 to 90% vaccination and/or previously infected," Perlman said. "That's the endgame. And vaccination is so much better than having infection, because some people will die from infection."

COVID-19 vaccines also give your body a stronger, broader form of viral protection than infection, teaching it how to fight back better, even in the face of new variants.

By not considering one another, we're only prolonging the pandemic​

An anti-lockdown protest in London. Henry Nicholls/Reuters
Whether vaccinated Americans are throwing their masks away or getting booster doses sooner than recommended in the hopes of beefing up personal immunity, they all share one thing in common with those who remain unvaccinated. Each mistakenly thinks they can win this race solo.

We are not in a pandemic of the unvaccinated. We're in a pandemic together, and it isn't over as long as some of us remain unvaccinated.

New data from an undervaccinated Colorado county showed how it really does take a village to fend off the virus, especially with Delta at play. Only 36% of vaccine-eligible residents in Mesa County got their COVID-19 shots.

Research subsequently found that the vaccine was less than 80% effective against Delta in that area, while in the rest of Colorado, where more residents were vaccinated, the vaccines were nearly 90% effective. In other words, an investment in your own health is an investment in your child's health and your neighbor's health too.

Kids under 12 still can't get vaccinated, and many others, including cancer patients, organ-transplant recipients, and older adults don't get the same protection from their vaccines that everyone else does. Until more people are vaccinated, none of them are safe.

Popescu said some public-health professionals had been surprised by the fierce pockets of vaccine hesitancy during a deadly pandemic, when we have strong data showing how effective and safe the vaccines are. At a time when children under 12 can't even get vaccines yet, eight states are making it all but illegal to protect them from disease and death by banning mask mandates in class.

"There was this assumption that because we all experienced this pandemic, everybody would get on board with these interventions, whether they were masks or vaccines," Popescu said. "The US has been a prime example on how that doesn't work. We have serious fractures in getting people to understand community health."

As a result, the viral finish line is being pushed back for all of us, time and time again.

We need to use every tool we have​

A sign at a restaurant on New York's Upper West Side on August 17, the first day you had to show proof of COVID-19 vaccination to participate in indoor dining in the city. Timothy Clary/AFP via Getty Images
If we consistently wear masks and vaccinate more eligible Americans, while being smart about ventilation and crowd control, we can beat the pandemic faster.

If we don't vaccinate more Americans, this virus will continue to surprise us with more terrifying developments.

"People need to understand that Delta is not the end of what the virus can do," Dr. James Hildreth, the president of Meharry Medical College, said. "If we could all get vaccinated — most of us get vaccinated — we not only protect ourselves in our communities, we limit the possibility that a scarier Delta will arise."

Don't lose hope or turn to anger. Adjust your timeline expectations.​

Alton Thibodeaux and his wife, Jean, waiting to go into a restaurant on New York's Upper West Side on August 17. Timothy Clary/AFP via Getty Images
There will most likely be enough vaccines for everyone on the planet by the end of 2023.

"We have got to get vaccines to the low- and middle-income countries, not just for humanitarian reasons, but because strategically that's where the variants are going to come from," Osterholm said. He added that fewer than 1.5% of people in the world's poorest countries had gotten a single vaccine dose and virus levels globally had waxed and waned in a somewhat unpredictable fashion.

Even after most of the world is vaccinated, the virus won't disappear. The best that we can hope for is that it will become an infectious nuisance that we can control and prevent, as we do with polio, measles, chickenpox, and other vaccine-preventable contagious diseases.

"We still give a polio vaccine, even though we haven't seen a case here in 40 years," Offit said. "The reason is that polio still exists in the world."

For the next couple of years, though, we must carefully navigate the waters of public life to avoid long-term illness and preventable deaths.

"I often think about what it must've been like during wartime, or depression, or some other point in our history where resilience had to be the order of the day," Hildreth said. "We're tired of the virus and we want to be done with it, but that's not going to solve the problem."

The specter of more contagious and dangerous coronavirus variants will remain until almost the entire world is vaccinated. At that point, hopefully we'll have built up enough immunity to protect ourselves — and one another — well from severe illness and death.

In a decade, the threat the coronavirus poses will most likely still feel more imminent than polio, which has been eliminated everywhere except Afghanistan and Pakistan.

But if we vaccinate almost everyone and discover more treatments, a COVID-19 diagnosis may eventually not feel much more dire getting the common cold or flu, meriting a few days of bed rest.

"We will get to a point, I think, where we're comfortable that the incidence of cases and deaths is low enough that we don't feel we need to change our life anymore," Offit said.

It will probably not be this year or next. But at some point in 2023, life may feel the way it used to again.

The pandemic endgame isn't here yet. But if we play our cards right, things will start getting better in 2023.

The US hasn't vaccinated fast enough to avert a disaster. It's now likely that 80 to 90% of Americans need to get shots before we can feel safe again.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Salubrious]

Lisa Shaw: Presenter's death due to complications of Covid vaccine - …

archived 26 Aug 2021 12:51:44 UTC

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Lisa Shaw: Presenter's death due to complications of Covid vaccine

Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.

Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.

The inquest heard the condition linked to the AstraZeneca vaccine was very rare.

The coroner said: "Lisa died due to complications of an AstraZeneca Covid vaccination."

Ms Dilks said Ms Shaw was previously fit and well but concluded that it was "clearly established" that her death was due to a very rare "vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia", a condition which leads to swelling and bleeding of the brain.

 

[Meriasek]

And when we mention Ivermectin or HCQ, they gone full Greta Thunberg mode shouting "How dare you?".

The only way the drones are talking about Ivermectin is when mocking the "horse de-wormers". Like, "Lol, look at the horse de-wormers on Facebook. They're shitting out their intestinal linings and think it's all worms and stuff. Science says Ivermectin is useless!!11".

 

[Vault Boy]

The pandemic endgame isn't here yet. But if we play our cards right, things will start getting better in 2023.

The US hasn't vaccinated fast enough to avert a disaster. It's now likely that 80 to 90% of Americans need to get shots before we can feel safe again.

www.businessinsider.com

Go fuck yourselves, you goal post pushing pricks. We know you'll say it'll be 2024 next year, your word means shit.

 

[teriyakiburns]

https://archive.md/wLFRw

I was just coming to post this. I said at the time it was likely a vaccine reaction.

 

[Meriasek]

https://twitter.com/Chrissy_2697/status/1430672523604238336

I like that. Hope it catches on.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Go fuck yourselves, you goal post pushing pricks. We know you'll say it'll be 2024 next year, your word means shit.

Well it's YOUR fault the pandemic will never end, because this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Remember, real mask mandates and real lockdowns have never been tried. We would've totally eliminated this virus back in 2020 if not for those CHUDS who didn't trust the science.

EDIT: LOL if you search "real lockdowns have never been tried" in quotes on DuckDuckGo or Bing (in private browsing), a post I made in this thread in March 2021 comes up on the first page. On Google a different post in this thread I made in December 2020 comes up on the second page after the first page shows a link to the Christchurch mosque massacre meaning that this phrase is clearly linked to Kiwifarms. That right there is clear sign that this nonsense has gone on way, way, way too long. But I know I'm going to be here next year too because very few people want this "pandemic" to end.

 

[borsabil]

The only way the drones are talking about Ivermectin is when mocking the "horse de-wormers". Like, "Lol, look at the horse de-wormers on Facebook. They're shitting out their intestinal linings and think it's all worms and stuff. Science says Ivermectin is useless!!11".

It's the safest drug in circulation. I've been dosing myself with Ivermectin for the past couple of months as a prophylactic . Buy the injectble form online or from a livestock feed store. Take 1.5mls every 2-4 weeks. If you catch the coof up the dosage to every 48 hours. It's thousands of times safer than Panadol/Tylenol or Aspirin. Add in Vitamin D3, Zinc and Vitamin C. The animal Ivermectin is exactly the same as that given to people. I suggest mixing it with coffee, tea or coke, it's not great drunk straight (don't ask how I know).

Well it's YOUR fault the pandemic will never end, because this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Remember, real mask mandates and real lockdowns have never been tried. We would've totally eliminated this virus back in 2020 if not for those CHUDS who didn't trust the science.

EDIT: LOL if you search "real lockdowns have never been tried" in quotes on DuckDuckGo or Bing (in private browsing), a post I made in this thread in March 2021 comes up on the first page. On Google a different post in this thread I made in December 2020 comes up on the second page after the first page shows a link to the Christchurch mosque massacre meaning that this phrase is clearly linked to Kiwifarms. That right there is clear sign that this nonsense has gone on way, way, way too long. But I know I'm going to be here next year too because very few people want this "pandemic" to end.

We'll see how they get on with the boosters. In my part of the world the vaccines are being sold as the only way out of the endless lockdowns. Get your jabs and go back to normal. Likely plenty of people, especially boomes, will just roll their sleeves up for the extra jabs especially if it means losing their Covid passports but a lot of people are going to be mightily pissed I think 20-30% won't get vaccinated here and when the boosters are rolled out that number is going to be more like 50%. They're not going to be excluding half the population from work and commerce but maybe they'll try.

 

[Salubrious]

FDA approval not swaying some vaccine holdouts - The Washington Post

archived 25 Aug 2021 20:07:10 UTC

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‘I’m still not planning to get it’: FDA approval not swaying some vaccine holdouts

For five months, Chris Brummett has ignored his wife’s pleas that he get a coronavirus vaccine. He cares even less that federal regulators finally issued a long-awaited approval for one of them.

“My wife is on me all the time to do it,” said Brummett, 43, from Jackson County, Ind., who followed news this week of the Food and Drug Administration’s approval of Pfizer-BioNTech’s coronavirus vaccine. But Brummett, a libertarian critical of both the Biden and Trump administrations, said he’s struggling to trust any government messages about the virus. “I guess for now it’s a no for me.”

Tyler McCann, 24, of Augusta, Ga., also remains a skeptic, citing the low risk of complications for people his age. “If I get it," McCann says of covid-19, “I will blame myself entirely. It’ll be my fault. But until then… I don’t see the necessity, and with how politicized it’s been, I’m just annoyed with it.”

Mark Anthony Garcia, 49, of Ingleside, Texas, ponders new questions since the FDA’s approval. “If the vaccine’s that good, why are we having breakthroughs?” said Garcia, referencing reports of coronavirus cases among fully vaccinated Americans. “They’re blaming [the pandemic] on the unvaccinated, but the vaccinated are spreading it too.”

Federal officials have sought for months to persuade holdouts like Brummett, McCann and Garcia, who are among the roughly 85 million still-unvaccinated eligible Americans — a largely entrenched population despite a range of incentives, political appeals and now mandates to get the shots. But hopes that many of those skeptics would be swayed by vaccine approval appear to have been unrealistic, according to interviews with 16 unvaccinated Americans — including six who said earlier this year that they would be more likely to get vaccinated if FDA approved the shots.

Well those seem like perfectly reasonable reasons to have doubts. Of course, their reasons will go unaddressed; they are bad for simply having doubts.

The sheer number of still-skeptical Americans — and their willingness to shift the goalposts on what might convince them — underscores that vaccination mandates are essential, said Robert Murphy, an infectious-disease physician and executive director of the Institute for Global Health at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine.

Yes, THEY are the ones shifting the goalposts. Not the fact that all this new actual data is coming out.

My favorite part of the article is this:

“That’s what’s going to do it,” Murphy said. “If they realize that they’re going to lose their job, they’re going to really think twice whether they really want to avoid the vaccine.”

Yep, just flat out saying that we need to take people's livelihoods away until they comply.

Meanwhile, vaccine opponents are attacking the FDA’s credibility, with some exhuming previously debunked claims about the agency’s track record and promoting them on social media.

How DARE you question the FDA! Don't you know that thalidomide story was DEBUNKED!!!!

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Go fuck yourselves, you goal post pushing pricks. We know you'll say it'll be 2024 next year, your word means shit.

Yeah, then it'll be 2025/2026/2027/2028 and so on...unless you stop at 2030 to fit with a certain agenda....

 

[PittyKitty]

https://archive.md/NZIJZ

Well those seem like perfectly reasonable reasons to have doubts. Of course, their reasons will go unaddressed; they are bad for simply having doubts.


Yes, THEY are the ones shifting the goalposts. Not the fact that all this new actual data is coming out.

My favorite part of the article is this:

Yep, just flat out saying that we need to take people's livelihoods away until they comply.


How DARE you question the FDA! Don't you know that thalidomide story was DEBUNKED!!!!

It wasnt only thalidomide
Edit idk why inserting links doesn't work. https://archive.is/8FUZ6

 

[Random Internet Person]

Yes. I don't think we'll be free of rolling lockdowns and other public health nonsense until people grow a spine and vote in politicians and judges who rule what's going on illegal and start establishing standards for how public health laws work (since the people who wrote public health laws ages ago never believed they'd be abused like they have). This will take decades, and we're in for the long haul.

The fortunate part is that most people simply don't care about the public health theater. Not wearing a mask in mask mandate areas is common, and even with vaccine passports in many places you can just show a plausible looking piece of paper and you're okay. The bad part is that this enforcement is inconsistent, which causes a lot of worry in daily life as to whether you'll be allowed in or not. But this is typical of totalitarian societies, so get used to it.

Except that the places with the worst mandates are filled with true believers and ready and eager collaborators. I don't even think the absolute worst will change their minds because of pride and they feel the undesirables would finally be dealt with.

 

[Drain Todger]

If people think the Charles Lieber/nanoparticle injection stuff is just schizo talk, they should watch this from start to finish.

The things being cooked up with military grants these days are, quite frankly, beyond evil. We're talking about attacks on civilians and dissidents with deniable weapons.

Japan halts use of 1.63 mil. Moderna vaccine doses over contamination

Japan's health ministry says that foreign materials were found in some unused doses of Moderna Inc.'s COVID-19 vaccine and the use of around 1.63 million doses manufactured on the same production line has been suspended as a precaution.

english.kyodonews.net

The foreign substances have been confirmed since Aug. 16 at eight vaccination sites in five prefectures -- Ibaraki, Saitama, Tokyo, Gifu and Aichi. They were found in a total of 39 vials.

Takeda reported them to the ministry on Wednesday.

The composition of the foreign matter, a few millimeters in size, has not been determined.

The "small black materials" reported to the ministry could be metallic fragments, one of its senior officials said.

Moderna vaccine Is foreign matter mixed in particulate metal? Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare hastily specified | tellerreport.com

[NHK] Due to the problem that a foreign substance was mixed in a part of Moderna's new coronavirus vaccine, it can be seen that the mixed metal is a particulate metal.

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Vaccines containing foreign substances are manufactured at a factory in Spain, and the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare has contacted 863 venues nationwide from the morning of the 26th to suspend vaccination for 1.63 million vaccines manufactured at the same time at this factory. ..

According to the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, the foreign matter found this time is in the form of particles and reacts with magnets, so it is considered to be made of metal.

We are rushing to identify foreign substances as if they had entered the manufacturing process, and we are investigating the details of the contamination.

Graphene Oxide In Covid Vaccine Under Microscope | German Video Reveals Self-Assembling Structures

mirrored from bitchute RussBrown channel Crystalline structures. This researcher notes that specks of possibly nano Graphene Oxide seemed to self-assemble into shapes. Worm-like structures and specks seemed to be moving and also began to move in …

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Looks like we might be living in a Black Mirror episode after all.

 

[Protistology]

Anyone else notice all the "exposes" of "rogue" nurses caught giving just Saline?

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Speaking of Goalposts

The vaccines supposedly were 99% effective against Delta back in March and the Pandemic would be over when 60% of americans were vaccinated

I remember those statements by the CDC....they moved them now and we need boosters AND 90% vaccinated.

I am willing to bet they keep moving lol. Pfizer is saying a fourth shot will be necessary in 3 months if a certain mutation occurs.

Ill have to part in this mass experiment because it cleary is just throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.

None of this true. None of it

 

[mdrop22]

Good news and bad news in my state:
- Good news is the concert was not cancelled, there were probably 300 people there, and once we were inside no one wore masks except the absolute nerdiest motherfuckers. Like unioronic blue hairs and girls dressed like anime schoolgirls were the only ones masked. The workers were total Nazis on the way in but lost the battle quickly. It was almost like old times, everyone crammed in, jumping around and having a good time. Based stuff.

- Bad news, the local fall festivals are being canceled. Not by the city or anything, but the fucking people running them. It's the biggest pussy move I've ever seen. One organization already took money for a sports tournament and announced you can either "donate" your registration fees OR get 20% back. Fucking scam alert!

The local fair is still going on and I intend to go, even if they try to enforce masks. I just won't wear one. I encourage everyone to participate in local events, it shows that there's money to be made and people are still willing and excited to have things to do. Go to your fairs, concerts, bars and restaurants. We need to prove there's more of us out there by being seen. Do not wear a mask, have a good time, ignore the forced doom and gloom.
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Judge tells drug suspect he can avoid prison time by getting vaccinated
https://archive.md/8qzSH

“When we received the judge’s statement, and ‘I order you to be vaccinated within 60 days,’ you could have heard a pin drop in the courtroom,” said Lewis. “Every lawyer, the court reporter, everyone stopped and said, ‘Did I just hear that right?’”

The judge’s logic is that Rutherford was found with fentanyl, which he said is more deadly than COVID-19 — and certainly the vaccine.

Rutherford says he doesn’t plan on getting the vaccine and the judge shouldn’t have put him in this position.

What.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I encourage everyone to participate in local events, it shows that there's money to be made and people are still willing and excited to have things to do. Go to your fairs, concerts, bars and restaurants. We need to prove there's more of us out there by being seen. Do not wear a mask, have a good time, ignore the forced doom and gloom.

And then you hear about the checkpoints of requiring vaccinations or negative tests.

Judge tells drug suspect he can avoid prison time by getting vaccinated
https://archive.md/8qzSH
What.

How long before we hear of people just killing themselves to avoid being forced to take the vaccine and going through things like lockdowns and checkpoints?

 

[The golden neckbeard]

And then you hear about the checkpoints of requiring vaccinations or negative tests.


How long before we hear of people just killing themselves to avoid being forced to take the vaccine and going through things like lockdowns and checkpoints?

Not long

Hellworld is coming

Take your Jab every 2 months or be arrested