Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

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I don't think zoomer afghans are going to like losing their internet and modern niceties. Does the Taliban not have a new command structure from the pre-9/11 guys?
Hmm…

You bring this up, and it speaks to a larger point. The Taliban are an illiberal movement, even anti liberal. (That is Liberalism the actual reigning ideology of the west, not the slur). Liberalism allows for and encourages all of these niceties and comforts and entertainment.

Wherein an illiberal movement like the Taliban represses them, but are people really going to die fighting the Taliban because they can’t listen to music or watch Netflix?
 
The Vietnamese took a beating and also their pound of flesh from the Chinese. The Chinese military of the time was not in a good state and took heavy casualties for what they actually did to the point it made the Chinese very, very nervous about a future fight with the Soviets with their current military. Sure, they weren’t operating with their air force, but they didn’t exactly do well either. The Sino-Vietnamese war was a bit embarrassing for both sides. It cost quite a bit for a punitive expedition, and the Chinese didn’t force the Vietnamese to abandon their nation building in Cambodia, really a big part of the Chinese hopes with the whole thing. Vietnam didn’t get the stomp they were hoping for and had to cede some territory. It’s honestly a draw.

Delaying the withdrawal was both a good idea and a risky one. I don’t think any withdrawal was going to be smooth from Afghanistan. If the ANA didn’t fight for Kabul now, they wouldn’t have fought for it then. There were and are lots of mistakes made with this whole process, which compound on mistakes made months, years, and decades previously. It’s a massive convoluted mess of a conflict and I don’t think that Afghanistan will be peaceful any time soon. If that comes out as simping for Biden, fine. I don’t feel any one mistake in any of this can be pointed at as the worst fuck up of all time in Afghanistan. There’s so many moving parts in all of this that it’ll take time before any objective take on much of this can be done. Opinions are opinions.
The point of the Sino-Vietnamese War was to show the Chinese military how much the Cultural Revolution had fucked them up.
 
Hmm…

You bring this up, and it speaks to a larger point. The Taliban are an illiberal movement, even anti liberal. (That is Liberalism the actual reigning ideology of the west, not the slur). Liberalism allows for and encourages all of these niceties and comforts and entertainment.

Wherein an illiberal movement like the Taliban represses them, but are people really going to die fighting the Taliban because they can’t listen to music or watch Netflix?
I'd wager you would have guys actually fighting the Taliban if they knew for certain, as in the Taliban directly states no more internet, music, or cell phones. Just like Americans would likely go ape shit if the Biden Administration or some other neo lib government said directly No guns/4chan/wrongthink/saying nigger in video games rather than their current (and successful) tactic of slowly chipping away at those rights while using doublespeak like "we aren't coming for your guns, we believe in free speech too". I would think the Taliban would just realize the benefits of bread and circuses, somewhat in the same way North Korea overlooks commonly broken laws regarding banned entertainment like western films being passed around by their citizens.
 
I'd wager you would have guys actually fighting the Taliban if they knew for certain, as in the Taliban directly states no more internet, music, or cell phones. Just like Americans would likely go ape shit if the Biden Administration or some other neo lib government said directly No guns/4chan/wrongthink/saying nigger in video games rather than their current (and successful) tactic of slowly chipping away at those rights while using doublespeak like "we aren't coming for your guns, we believe in free speech too". I would think the Taliban would just realize the benefits of bread and circuses, somewhat in the same way North Korea overlooks commonly broken laws regarding banned entertainment like western films being passed around by their citizens.
The principle would be the same here-“no car, TV, pets, or single family home, bad for the planet also racist”.

Will people die for these things? Or will they die for the principle that it’s wrong to take them away?

Do people die for stuff or for the principle of not having their stuff taken from them, or it being denied to them? What truly motivates men, prosperity or the principle that their prosperity should be enjoyed?
 
Wherein an illiberal movement like the Taliban represses them, but are people really going to die fighting the Taliban because they can’t listen to music or watch Netflix?
no
regular people might be upset about losing their precious distractions and escapism, but will ultimately adjust to the new (old) order and make do without them
only terminally online antisocials would consider this shit worth fighting and dying for, but those also tend to be cowardly weaklings so no danger for the taliban

if people do take up arms to fight them, it'll be for serious reasons like
>they try to genocide my tribe
>they expropriate our lands
>they outlaw our religion
>they destroy our livelihoods
etc. not because anime is banned and tiktok got blocked lol
 
no
regular people might be upset about losing their precious distractions and escapism, but will ultimately adjust to the new (old) order and make do without them
only terminally online antisocials would consider this shit worth fighting and dying for, but those also tend to be cowardly weaklings so no danger for the taliban

if people do take up arms to fight them, it'll be for serious reasons like
>they try to genocide my tribe
>they expropriate our lands
>they outlaw our religion
>they destroy our livelihoods
etc. not because anime is banned and tiktok got blocked lol
I don't think anime will get the axe as even Terry the Talib knows there is nothing more dangerous than a man with the power of God and anime on his side.

 
no
regular people might be upset about losing their precious distractions and escapism, but will ultimately adjust to the new (old) order and make do without them
only terminally online antisocials would consider this shit worth fighting and dying for, but those also tend to be cowardly weaklings so no danger for the taliban

if people do take up arms to fight them, it'll be for serious reasons like
>they try to genocide my tribe
>they expropriate our lands
>they outlaw our religion
>they destroy our livelihoods
etc. not because anime is banned and tiktok got blocked lol
Wait so that means that there will be no gamer uprising due to women in video games?

You’ve totally shattered all my political hopes and dreams.
 
Wherein an illiberal movement like the Taliban represses them, but are people really going to die fighting the Taliban because they can’t listen to music or watch Netflix?
They already had their chance to fight the Taliban when the taliban was outnumbered 10-1 and ANA was fully stocked with US supplied equipment. However, everyone trained to fight the taliban surrendered and is in the process of fleeing the country and all their equipment is now in Taliban hands. There's a few holdouts in a some provinces fighting the Taliban, but there's not going to be some popular uprising. If anything the Taliban taking control of the country was the popular uprising.
People also vastly overestimate how much of Afghanistan and its population where experiencing westernization. Outside of Kabul I doubt people saw much liberalization of their lives.
 
Wherein an illiberal movement like the Taliban represses them, but are people really going to die fighting the Taliban because they can’t listen to music or watch Netflix?

They will go to Europe and a slow trickle out of the country will become a flood.

Educated Afghani's wont stick around or fight. We will likely see significant populations of Kabul leave in the coming months and sneak across borders.

The northern alliance is just as dumb as the Taliban, its one group of hillbillies vs the other.
 
I don't think anime will get the axe as even Terry the Talib knows there is nothing more dangerous than a man with the power of God and anime on his side.

As much as we'd like, that video was made by a bunch of OPFOR at a training site, and are firing blanks throughout; guess they decided to make their own gag ISIS video.
 
Taliban represses them, but are people really going to die fighting the Taliban because they can’t listen to music or watch Netflix?
A bops a bop. You can't take away my happy days! (Literally)
 
the weird thing is, why did Biden fuck it up so bad? you'd think with the delayed withdrawel at the very least, he would have pulled all our people out first before shit hit the fan?
what was the point of delaying the withdrawel in the first place?
 
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Taliban looting weapons from deserted Afgan Army Armoury ! Pakistan Army supporting all out to Taliban terrorists to capture Kabul …This way Kabul will fall sooner than expected




Marshal Dostum and Afghan officials fleeing the country on the Friendship Bridge in Termez




Meanwhile the Taliban have freed around 5,000 prisoners from Pol e-Charki in Kabul, the largest prison in Afghanistan




Taliban occupied & settled in the Presidential Palace of Afghanistan




Locals pelting stones at the retreating Afghan Army in Kunar, Afghanistan as the province falls to the Taliban





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That last video wouldn't play back on KF when I tried it. So I re-encoded it. I don't really know what I'm doing. Trial and error. Anyway, this one seems to work:




A lot of the videos I'm coming across are corrupted. Or they play fine on the page I'm getting them from but don't play back in my media players. Or they play back on the media players but don't upload to KF. Or they upload to KF, but don't play back properly, like the last one. Video stuff isn't really my thing.
 
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