Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

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Man I thought the Koreans would have learned after a bunch of Syrian men squated in their resort island and even their hyper socialist president had to ensure the Korean public they were't going to leave their Island. Good the see the Koreans in action though, a lot of people don't know they deploy actively in the ME.

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‘Moral responsibility’: South Korea is airlifting hundreds of Afghans out of Kabul

The Afghan evacuees include people who worked at the South Korean embassy in Kabul, hospitals, vocational training centers and provincial reconstruction teams.
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“We need to actively seek a role we can play in a direction, which is solidarity and cooperation on a global level, instead of shifting all burdens of the acceptance of refugees onto countries surrounding Afghanistan.”

You mean ignore international law for the sake of population replacement? Funny how these international laws only apply when they want it to.
Can we start a petetion to send a rocket filled with all progressive leaders into the sun? Thx.
 
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Why is no one blaming GWB for this?
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Because they'd have to look too hard at themselves. GWB's invasions of both Iraq and Afghanistan were both products of the cult of globalist neoliberalism which was the ascendant world ideology at the time - and to which the majority of the liberal Left (and its media), and their successors the NeoCons, still subscribe. The fact GWB was a Republican was kinda not relevant, the same way his buddy Tony Blair was supposedly leader of the Labour party. They followed the same ideology. The only people who consistently opposed both wars were the hard Left, and nobody cared what they had to say back then because their arguments were (and remain) stupid.

1992's The End of History and the Last Man by Francis Fukuyama was the most important book nobody has heard of. Fukuyama was an American academic whose schtick was to apply Marxist/Hegelian dialectical ideas, and their associated sense of historical inevitability, to liberal Capitalism rather than Communism. Fukuyama argued that liberal, capitalist, globalist democracy was the "final form" of economics, society and politics, the same thing Marx said about Communism. With the USSR collapsed and the US the world's only superpower, that argument looked a lot more convincing than it does now. Fukuyama argued that history from that point forward was going to be a series of "mopping up" operations, helping countries discover a love for McDonalds and ExxonMobil that they didn't think they had, and with every country on Earth finally coming to their senses and adopting Western paradigms, big, inter-state wars would simply come to an end because democracies don't make war on each other, thus "the end of history".

I don't suppose you yung'uns were around during the 1991 Gulf War, but I was just about old enough to understand what was happening. GHWB was roasted at the time, by both parties, for not "going further". Gen. Schwartzkopf wanted to continue the momentum of the Allied push through Kuwait all the way to Baghdad and depose Saddam, and GHWB said no, because he believed that the Saudis in particular wouldn't stand for an American puppet state on their border. Not many people now choose to remember this, but GHWB was fucking ripped a new one by the media and public opinion for not finishing Saddam off. Bill Clinton ran against him on a platform of interventionist liberalism, they were gonna spread freedom to everyone and everyone would like it. Clinton said "The End of History and the Last Man" was one of the most important books he ever read. So did Tony Blair, and so did the NeoCons, who altered the exact nature of what they wanted to spread from the NeoLibs, but 100% subscribed to the idea that people would like democracy and become America's buddies if they only got rid of the dictators who were getting in the way of historical inevitability (the parallels with the USSR's treatment of the Warsaw Pact countries are remarkable).

That's why NATO intervened in Serbia. That's why Yeltsin was installed as an American puppet in Russia. The idea was that if you gave people democracy by force, they would like it so much they wouldn't mind the manner of its imposition (again, think Comintern, but with capitalism instead of communism). The success of the Nato missions in the former Yugoslavia, in Sierra Leone and even in Russia (where it at least *looked* like everything was going OK for the first few years until it became quite clear what a disaster Yeltsin's economic policies actually were) emboldened the West to intervene elsewhere. 9/11 just looked like the last throws of the "Axis of Evil" and an opportunity to spread some more fucking FREEDOM with B-52s. GWB had overwhelming support for his invasion of Afghanistan, and quite a lot of support for the invasion of Iraq (apart from the usual suspects on the Left), from both Conservatives and Liberals. The same Conservatives and Liberals who are still in charge and would very much not like the details of just how wrong Fukuyama and his acolytes were. Instead they turn their guns on Biden for getting the details wrong about the pullout, because this helps maintain the neolib/neocon house of cards that has fuelled Western foreign policies for three decades. If we talk about GWB and why he tried to overthrow the Afghan government rather than just bomb Al Qaeda into mush, the questions get WAY too uncomfortable.
 
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Pocket Dragoon said:
The average going rate for an AK or PKM just got tanked in that part of the world; and probably every where else too, except for America.
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that looks like small potatoes, drop in a bucket in total AK arms. I didn't see any PKMs, only a 100 box mag. You need spare barrels for them too.

Big part of the cost of a gun is delivery charge, i.e. cost to move them. It's like houses, most money is actually in the land, not the structure.
 
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Seems like the US army doctrine really is chaos seeing how much of a chaotic shitshow things are right now. And chaos swings both ways.

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And sleepy joe saying ISIS will pay, hah! Ill beleive it when I see him have the balls to drop a MOAB on them.
 
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Hathungor said:
Considering their meme game it's reasonable to assume that the current Taliban are very much products of the internet age, and I imagine that their new generation doesn't want to miss internet access and modern niceties either.
Just look at Saudi Arabia - they will censor and they may try to restrict access to non-Islamic content, but the Internet as a technology is not forbidden by Islamic law, so I actually think it'll remain if they can maintain the infrastructure.
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I'm largely talking out of my ass here, but I'd imagine life for the average Afghani outside of Kabul has not changed much in terms of life style in 100 years, save for constant insurgent warfare. Internet access maybe something of an issue, but all this talk of a sudden culture shock to Afghani youth I don't think it going to hit them save for the sons and daughters of Kabul bureaucrats.

And on a related note, I find it ironic that for decades we mocked these people as "stone age goat herders" when that sort of life style is now fetishized by millenials and zoomers. The Taliban have a lot in common with Ted if you think about it.
 
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Spunt said:
I don't suppose you yung'uns were around during the 1991 Gulf War, but I was just about old enough to understand what was happening. GHWB was roasted at the time, by both parties, for not "going further". Gen. Schwartzkopf wanted to continue the momentum of the Allied push through Kuwait all the way to Baghdad and depose Saddam, and GHWB said no, because he believed that the Saudis in particular wouldn't stand for an American puppet state on their border. Not many people now choose to remember this, but GHWB was fucking ripped a new one by the media and public opinion for not finishing Saddam off.
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Bush Sr was very much aware of the danger of being quagmired and Vietnam syndrome was a very real thing, most of his staff advocated against it as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY people who were adults in the 2000s watch this video of Cheney and their jaw hits the floor because he seems to have made a complete 180 since that interview. I'm not really sure what was the worse outcome, not doing Desert Storm fully to Baghdad or doing it. Desert Storm was such a magnificent operation that it completely destroyed the Vietnam Syndrome and its advocates. There would never have been "nation building" without a series of toe tipping operations like Grenada, Desert Storm and Yugo. Mogadishu was a fiasco but it was limited in scope compared to the years long attritional stuff we feared like Vietnam. By the time 9/11 had occurred we had enough acclimating to the water that society was fully willing to trust the deep state and dive into the pool. I desperately hope that we get "Afghanistan syndrome" and wind down this interventionist horse shit but I know deep down its not going to happen.
 
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I'm largely talking out of my ass here, but I'd imagine life for the average Afghani outside of Kabul has not changed much in terms of life style in 100 years, save for constant insurgent warfare. Internet access maybe something of an issue, but all this talk of a sudden culture shock to Afghani youth I don't think it going to hit them save for the sons and daughters of Kabul bureaucrats.

And on a related note, I find it ironic that for decades we mocked these people as "stone age goat herders" when that sort of life style is now fetishized by millenials and zoomers. The Taliban have a lot in common with Ted if you think about it.
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Ted was right about technology used as a tool of business, surveillance and most of all, propaganda. It was conceived and promoted as something that would free us but as you can see it has done the opposite. I don't think people want to go back to being literal stone age goat herders but when your new tractor is now SASS, disconnecting from society is increasing appealing.
 
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There is another warning about another terrorist attack to come in the next days. Front page of the BBC.

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Also they are saying there was not four (by some accounts) or three (by many accounts) or two (by most accounts), but actually only one blast! Mmmm...

Not saying this is not the case as I wasn't there, but there were many many accounts of there being two blasts. Yet all those people reporting got it wrong? Ok.

Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby confirmed the two separate blasts on Thursday

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And now the death toll as expected has nearly DOUBLED in the 24 hours after the blast(s). It now stands at 170.

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The young Afghans among 170 killed by ISIS-K suicide bomber as they tried to make it to freedom: Female journalist who was hosting a morning TV show, a taekwondo champion and university students with dreams of a Western lifestyle among dead​




'Biden turned his back on my son': Fathers of Marine killed in Kabul ISIS suicide bomb BLAME President for deaths of 13 US troops and 170 others. Pentagon warns President that ANOTHER attack is likely​



  • Max Soviak, Rylee McCollum, David Lee Espinoza, Kareem Nikoui and Jared Schmitz were all killed
  • The Pentagon said on Friday that only one suicide bomber attacked the airport and not two
  • Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby confirmed the two separate blasts on Thursday
  • Thousands of ISIS-K terrorists escaped from Bagram prison when Biden withdrew earlier this year
  • They are the group responsible for Thursday's suicide attack at Kabul airport that killed 13 US troops
  • Pentagon officials on Friday confirmed that they are giving the Taliban people's information
  • Biden's administration thought naively that the Taliban would help evacuate the people on the list
  • Former President Trump called it 'kill list' that will seal the deaths of the Afghan allies on it
  • Thousands of ISIS-K prisoners were freed from Bagram prison by the Taliban on August 15


Photos of some of the killed US troops:

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'The defining photo of the Biden presidency:' Image of Joe Biden crumpling during tense exchange with reporters at press conference on Afghanistan covers newspapers worldwide​



  • Critics mocked Biden over image that showed him hanging his head during a testy exchange with reporter
  • Moment came during an emotional press conference after attack killed 13 US troops in Afghanistan
  • Biden ended the press conference in dispute with Fox News' Peter Doocy when he hung his head
  • Conservatives called it a 'defining image' of Biden's presidency saying it portrayed weakness
  • Liberals seemed to see the same image as a moment of somber reflection at the death of US troops

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