Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

Dreamer said:
Im not watching your ecelebs anon.

Nah, pretty sure this is a genuine reaction. If you use a coping mechanism (here its probably "rationalization" - creating logical reasons for bad behavor) instead of dealing with your problems over time you will grow protective of it and you will "lash out" at others trying to upset the balance or "deny" that what youre doing is not getting you anywhere. LatinasAreTheFuture is not ready to accept that they have been gimping themselves by avoiding the problem, its easyier than doing something about it. Untill they do there is no point trying to help, but the effort thus far might not have been wasted.
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Sir, this is Kiwi Farms
 
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It's disgusting how misogynistic virgin shamers are. As if the only point of relationships with women is sex and that's the only value women bring to relationships. I think a big part of why boys and even men push their girlfriends for sex so hard and so early has to do with this objectification caused by societies' hatred of male virgins.
 
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LatinasAreTheFuture said:
Explain nigger
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I too, chuckled. You need to find someone to you can talk to about this. Someone who's got training in emotional and issues of abuse like what you mention. It's called a therapist. Although it would probably be wasted money because you react so strongly to hearing an opinion or idea you don't like. I'd bet you've walked out of therapy before, tbh.
 
Vince McMahon said:
Saying that "everything will be okay" doesn't always work but saying that everything in your life is going to be absolutely miserable will do nothing but encourage them to either radicalize further or neck themselves.

Funny thing that I've noticed over the years: all this Darwinian tough talk usually comes from people who have zero experience with hardship and/or depression.
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Whether you want to be a competitive darwinist or a cooperative romantic is entirely up to preference if your starting point is being bad at both. Eventually, you should develop both perspectives until they are productive. Going all in on a single strategy for life is a bad idea in any context.
Protistology said:
It's disgusting how misogynistic virgin shamers are. As if the only point of relationships with women is sex and that's the only value women bring to relationships. I think a big part of why boys and even men push their girlfriends for sex so hard and so early has to do with this objectification caused by societies' hatred of male virgins.
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When men stopped being primarily warriors and workers they became primarily salesmen. Selling yourself to a woman is the highest expression of masculine success in a consumerist society.
Mr Snek said:
The advice I was given is that if life knocks you down, get back up and knock it back twice as hard. Use whatever anger and hate you have for your circumstances to drive yourself to overcome them. Probably not flawless advice but it's good for getting started towards a goal.
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Hate is a fuel that can power many engines but is inefficient and damaging to the equipment long-term. Reserve your hate for the moments when you have no alternative and only rely on it when you have the wherewithal to quit as soon as possible. Don't run your own life like a dictatorship for no reason. I recommend dismantling your own depression, anxiety, unresolved trauma, and delusions until renewable energy sources become cost-efficient. Hate and anger aren't very good at this sort of groundwork, but you can forsake a little efficiency to turn them into fitness and discipline. With those two things you can start delegating to your unconscious self and work on what your conscious mind is specialized to handle.
 
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I'll say one thing about incels, they expanded people's minds on male failure. It used to be if you couldn't get a girlfriend people thought you were gay, which didn't exactly help. Now they're pretty sure you're straight, they just think you're a potential murderer.
 
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Mexican_Wizard_711 said:
I'm not even an Incel or TERF, what the hell is with you people and your fucked up parents and childhood? Am I am only person on this site with normal fucking parents!
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Probably, personally a majority of the people I grew up around had messed up parental situations. I just assumed it was normal to have parents who hated each other.
 
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Mr Snek said:
Probably, personally a majority of the people I grew up around had messed up parental situations. I just assumed it was normal to have parents who hated each other.
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I say that because my parents were never as bad as some on this site have. I mean my dad worked 18 hour shifts as a truck driver while my mother worked as a bee keeper for less hours, both parents were also Roman Catholics and never smoked or drank much alcohol. So I probably got lucky and ended up with non-abusive parents
 
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Cyclonus said:
I'll say one thing about incels, they expanded people's minds on male failure. It used to be if you couldn't get a girlfriend people thought you were gay, which didn't exactly help. Now they're pretty sure you're straight, they just think you're a potential murderer.
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Something something feared vs admired.
 
I mean given how the world is going, guys selling themselves to get fucked is going to end up with us living in the pod, and eating the bugs, but that's alright because we're majority white and can't be oppressed.
 
Shadfan666xxx000 said:
Because nobody else can. You could find someone to spoil you and wipe your ass all you want, but they can't put the work into healing if you don't follow the work too. Imagine if you got some kind of a freak stroke even though you did everything right and lost the use of your arm. The doctors could patch you up and help your recovery but if you don't work in the therapy, you'll lose your arm by your own fault at that point.
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Spoken like a true cuck. Anyone abused; head straight to martial arts class or learn Machiavellian tactics/ social Darwinism.
 
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Both female slut shaming AND male virgin shaming are healthy, to a reasonable extent. I mean it's just in our nature to see a man who is a virgin at 25 as a failure, even if you feel sympathy towards him. Likewise it's natural not wanting to marry a woman who has been with dozens of guys.

You can make people scared to say this in public with the threat of becoming ostracized, but their thoughts and actions will remain. Boys will grow up with the belief that it's ok to be socially inept only to have the world crash down on them in their teens or twenties. I've seen exhibits of this on this website a million times.

On the contrary, society needs to search for teenage boys who show signs of, well, inceldom, and give them help early. Help them remove autistic behavior and improve their appearance as much as possible. Same as you'd help a student who has no friends and failing grades.

To some people I might contradict myself here, but I'll also add that you need to teach boys that unless they can manage being alone/jacking off without becoming depressed they'll have a hard time in the dating market. Most of all because even if they get a girlfriend in the end, they might end up emotionally abused by some bitch who knows she can get away with anything. The guy is so scared to end up alone he'll put up with it.

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Being a male virgin is shameful, but being stuck in a cucked relationship because you're scared of loneliness is more shameful.
 
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CheetoDust said:
Anyone abused; head straight to martial arts class or learn Machiavellian tactics/ social Darwinism.
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Anyone abused: perpetuate the cycle on someone who didn't deserve it! That will sure show your abusers!

Martial arts class is for your health, not for getting back at your abusers. As for Machiavellian tactics/Social Darwinism - what the fuck are you smoking?
 
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