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[Lemmingwise]

The main criticism with abstinence is that teenagers are curious about sex anyway and not teaching them to at least wrap it before they tap it leads to a higher incidence of teen pregnancies. There is also the concern that comes from shame when it comes to sex and teenagers might be too afraid to ask their parents. Even if these teenagers are not interested in sex, they might reach adulthood and not practice safe sex when they meet someone they're interested in.

Obviously not having sex at all is the safest way to not have a child because condoms break, birth control sometimes fails, but it's not realistic when we are monkeys coked up on hormones.

The main criticism with abstinence comes from the same 60s Rockefeller thinktank that came out with about 20 suggestions on how to reduce population growth, 16 of which have since become reality (longer education for women, de-emphasizing building a family in culture, making birth control and abortion as freely available as possible, career goals for women, promoted homosexuality and so on).

In more recent examples of the same goals include ubiqutous internet porn and specific marketing attacks when things like anti-fap pops up its head.

The common folk that have embraced the idea you posit, that promotion of abstinence leads to increased teen pregnancy, whereas as promotion of birth control doesn't, seems to be to ring at least half false. Because whenever I have an in depth conversation in person with someone like that, they really seem to cheer on the idea of teens having sex together as early as possible, as the epitome of freedom and happiness.

I can't say that I didn't enjoy my own participation in this practise at the time, but looking back on it makes it a very hollow and hedonistic experience in the larger scheme of things.

Maybe there is more to this idea that's pushed from the same camp that was for free speech until they had dominance.

 

[Full Race Replay]

If Texas men feared for their life for even interacting with women,

when sjws make hypothetical statements like this, it's funny that they think a some pinky who is trying to bait men into interacting with her so she can shoot him is the type of person a pro-2nd-ammendment man would be interested in dating.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

The controversy with abstinence stems from schools that specifically teach abstinence-only while neglecting other areas of sex education. Emphasis on the "only" part. This is not to say abstinence is bad at all by itself, it's a good rule to follow when you're young. It's any lack of education in safe sex, STD's, pregnancy, that sort of thing, is what people are truly concerned about. There is a huge concern that abstinence-ONLY education has been directly correlated with higher rates of teen pregnancy, because the kids don't know how to use birth control or condoms.

Unfortunately, schools in more leftist areas have gone in the complete opposite direction, and they indoctrinate kids with gender identity politics, leading to huge numbers of kids claiming nonbinary or literally trooning out and getting asspats for it. Conservatives want to completely prohibit, while leftists want to mandate everything on everyone. I don't think either are good. Schools should definitely not be making impressionable kids question their gender identity and should definitely not be encouraging them to have sex, which has certainly happened.

 

[Michael Janke]

abstinence sort of breaks down because its an instinctual desire. people are going to be compelled to have sex and we cant stop it. though abstinence is a good policy for some things. crack and heroin. you really dont want to ever fuck with that shit.

 

[MediocreMilt]

people are going to be compelled to have sex and we cant stop it.

uh. yeah you can. it's a choice every time you fuck.

 

[Michael Janke]

uh. yeah you can. it's a choice every time you fuck.

let me rephrase it. i guess we could stop it, but the amount of control we would need to make sure we can is a line i dont want to cross. the point is, we teach it and it doesnt seem to work that well. i dont know, maybe the willpower for it is beyond the average person or something. so we either find a new way to teach it, or we teach something else.

 

[MediocreMilt]

let me rephrase it. i guess we could stop it, but the amount of control we would need to make sure we can is a line i dont want to cross. the point is, we teach it and it doesnt seem to work that well. i dont know, maybe the willpower for it is beyond the average person or something. so we either find a new way to teach it, or we teach something else.

or you let the "sometimes your only real purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others"-tier slags pile up and eventually people will fall in line when they realize they're not immune to the natural consequences of their actions.

 

[Full Race Replay]

not to be a dirtbag centrist but i think the most realistic solution to reduce teen and unwanted pregnancies is a combination of abstinence and safe-sex education. Seems like leftists and right-wingers teach one or the other, and neither gives the full story. And make sure people (women) know they can't get bailed out by late abortions, and don't teach any of this shit to young kids like in California.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

So many problems could be ameliorated if government didn't bail people out for their shit decisions.

 

[AnOminous]

Telling people to self euthanise is medical advice.

Well, I'm literally an actual real medical doctor and can therefore give medical advice, at least on Jupiter.

 

[PeggieBigCock]

not to be a dirtbag centrist but i think the most realistic solution to reduce teen and unwanted pregnancies is a combination of abstinence and safe-sex education. Seems like leftists and right-wingers teach one or the other, and neither gives the full story. And make sure people (women) know they can't get bailed out by late abortions, and don't teach any of this shit to young kids like in California.

Good luck getting that shit to stick on nigs and spics. It doesn’t matter how good sex education is when you have a baby mama culture of kids being raised by their grandparents. It’s been like that for 100s of years and Planned Parenthood’s only make a small dent in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

or you let the "sometimes your only real purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others"-tier slags pile up and eventually people will fall in line when they realize they're not immune to the natural consequences of their actions.

'Consequence' is the word you want to emphasize. We teach children that everything they do up until age 29 is guilt-free and consequence-free.
It isn't.

The ones that get the result from their actions that they deserve - QUICKLY turn upon the permissive society. Then DEMANDING a reversal of fortune that they deem owed.
-free abortions
-free respect for the unrespectable
-free health care
(medical pot is part of health care, right?)
-free college (because I cannot earn a scholarship)
etc...
The ones that do not partake in the actions (due to cowardice or social barricades) DEMAND a second adolescence as they enter/leave their 30s.
-Reddit and social 'networks'
-parasocial 'relationships'
-Toys for adults
-Fanbois
etc...

 

[Matt Damon]

uh. yeah you can. it's a choice every time you fuck.

I would like to be faced with that dilemma more frequently.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Meanwhile China is putting legislation in place that institutes festivals for young people to seek lifelong partners, put barriers on social media and recreational internet usage, promotes the idea of family nurtering women and warlike men, and bans "effeminate men" from tv programs.

 

[AnOminous]

Meanwhile China is putting legislation in place that institutes festivals for young people to seek lifelong partners, put barriers on social media and recreational internet usage, promotes the idea of family nurtering women and warlike men, and bans "effeminate men" from tv programs.

They literally are banning Winnie the Pooh from being on TV programs? What does that fat, moobed faggot think about this?

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

Meanwhile China is putting legislation in place that institutes festivals for young people to seek lifelong partners, put barriers on social media and recreational internet usage, promotes the idea of family nurtering women and warlike men, and bans "effeminate men" from tv programs.

Well, China did also effectively kill tens of millions of women as a result of the one-child-policy. More families chose to have a boy and aborted if they had a girl. Now many young men have absolutely zero chance of even meeting a woman. So China has to do this.

Here's the rate at which the men outnumber the women:

Also these statistics might actually be even worse, considering how much other shit China has lied about.

List of countries by sex ratio - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Synthwave Obsessed]

More inability to quote things, so another Chinese knockoff reply.

@Lemmingwise [Original Post]

The common folk that have embraced the idea you posit, that promotion of abstinence leads to increased teen pregnancy, whereas as promotion of birth control doesn't, seems to be to ring at least half false. Because whenever I have an in depth conversation in person with someone like that, they really seem to cheer on the idea of teens having sex together as early as possible, as the epitome of freedom and happiness.

My goal isn't to encourage teens having sex as soon as possible. A teenager's brain is still forming and I feel like actively encouraging someone to have sex will lead to them becoming sex addicts like how leaving unrestricted porn access for teenagers eventually might make them porn addicts (another topic, but I want porn sites to regulate <18s better). However, teenagers are often slaves to their own hormones and some can think upstairs, while others have a harder time. For some people, abstinence works out, but for others, they are going to want to have sex. This will be because they're curious or they want social clout.

I would prefer a solution that prevents teen pregnancy as much as possible. No one is the same as the other and giving someone options will always work out best over forcing one option on someone. The rest of your post gave me some things to think about, but I'm curious as to where you believe abstinence leads to a reduction in teen pregnancy. I will agree that the only absolutely positive way to NOT get pregnant is to just not, but people will have sex. They will jerk off. At least with one of these, we can help teenagers not wind up caring for another human when they don't even know who they are, yet.

Spoiler: Powerlevel sperg

Smaller school and anecdotal evidence, but out of 6 other girls in my high school class, 2 were knocked up before graduating. People couldn't access condoms or birth control, so they relied on pull-out and it never ended well. Me and a couple of the other girls didn't really care because we were focused on our plans post-graduation. We didn't have time to. The other classes had similar problems, where a good quarter of the female population had sex and now had a baby bump.

Now that you've brought it up, I wonder if part of my disinterest in sex as a teenager was because being successful was shoved down our throats so much. I value the fact that I can be a productive member of society and I wouldn't change that, but I wonder if things would be different if I was told to value different things growing up. I'm glad that I just wasn't force-fed gender identity politics.

 

[Full Race Replay]

Meanwhile China is putting legislation in place that institutes festivals for young people to seek lifelong partners, put barriers on social media and recreational internet usage, promotes the idea of family nurtering women and warlike men, and bans "effeminate men" from tv programs.

compare with the lifestyle china promotes to american young adults on reddit.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Now that you've brought it up, I wonder if part of my disinterest in sex as a teenager was because being successful was shoved down our throats so much

@syntwave obsessed

I have no doubt of it, judging by my conversations with various girlfriends I've had and my obsession with finding the absolute root of ideas, whether it is etymology of words or political ideas.



If anyone knows an earlier source than the jaffe memo, I'd be pleased to hear it. Certainly it seems to be the source considering the preboomers laughing at the idea of women careers, boomers considering it a novel new idea while being unaware to the degree that they held morals from their own raising to balance it out, and every generation after the boomers fully embracing careers for women as the prime thing to aspire to.

It's the easiest way to reduce birth rate, because the time women figure out they've been duped, they already lost a large part of their fertile window as well as some of their attractiveness.

Because careers means continuing education. And both men and women seem to not start to really think for themselves until 5 years beyond education, which puts them into their thirties.

I remember school assignments that drilled home the idea that having kids young meant that you weren't ambitious as well as being part of a gay org that created and pushed contraception ideas on teens, including circumcision propaganda and basicly script training on how to talk to your bf/gf to use contraception.

My point with that is that it was very advanced in how it framed you toare think about it. They could just as easily have these scripts toward other ideals.

Well, China did also effectively kill tens of millions of women as a result of the one-child-policy. More families chose to have a boy and aborted if they had a girl. Now many young men have absolutely zero chance of even meeting a woman. So China has to do this.

Here's the rate at which the men outnumber the women:

It was far from a universal China-wide policy. It definitely has some exaggeration to it. The numbers show that actually. The gender disparity is only slightly greater (and in reverse) to some former soviet states where men die young as a result of wars, alcoholism and random risky behaviour.

Also I think the common way in China wasn't abortion, but infanticide. They didn't have doors to toilets because the hinges were too expensive and the toilets were holes in the ground without plumbing. You think they had the tech and funds to do echoes and abortions?

China is happy that the west is fighting over things like troonery, newnormal, it gives them time to further catch up in the tech race while they start to build a society on healthier morals.

 

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