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Chef Mike is one of the more obscure yet hilarious references I know of.
Sorry for quoting so far back but I'm trying to catch up from Thursday.
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Sorry for quoting so far back but I'm trying to catch up from Thursday.
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He literally ranted at his chat a couple days ago, "Yes, I fucking beg! You people trolled my life until I HAVE to beg to survive and now you're mocking me for it!"
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I’ve been meaning to write this post for a while, a bit off-topic from the usual daily shenanigans and it’s going to be long so bear with me.
I just finished watching this Vice documentary (The Devil You Know) and it described a series of murders related to this weird online cult created by some psycho named Sherry Shriner. I assume anyone who might be a bit of a cult aficionado would have heard of her. The documentary isn’t that great but it still represents a testament of how desperate, naive, and hungry for easy answers some people tend to be. Cult leaders tend to prey on weak and gullible individuals (start to sound familiar yet?) and so many times while watching this documentary, the way this woman controlled and managed her dedicated following reminded me of Phil. Hence why I thought you guys might be interested in reading about some of the similarities between traditional online cults and the ‘Tism Vortex.
A few things to preface before I get into it. First, I am aware that @LyteSydeByll did a few videos in regards to this topic and it garnered a fair amount of interest but from my understanding, he never finished the series (sadly) as he’s stopped making videos/ steaming in general. Second, I feel that it is important to identify the timeframe around which Phil approximately started to turn his fan base into this weird little cult. My best estimate is that the transition from relatively normal fan base to cult happened once his YT channel started going downhill and when he transitioned to full-time streaming. The moment his ability to generate money stopped primarily relying on YT AdSense and started being reliant on individuals is when you can distinguish a distinct shift in how Phil started talking to his audience and controlling (or attempting to control at the very least) the online space that he dedicated to himself as an online content creator. Third, which I believe is a very important one, like most cults, Phil didn’t outright plan to turn his online presence into a cult, the methodologies he employed inadvertently created the cultish conditions that now permeate his streams — and let’s be honest anyways, Phil is too fucking stupid, lazy, and untalented to create something as intricate as a real cult from the onset anyways. And fourth, which is very specific to Phil and his little cult, the dominant ideology is a very simple one: in this us vs. them battle, winning is achieved by giving Phil money. Kudos to this fat, pasty, ghoulish looking loser for turning his begging into a lucrative cult. Truly fascinating.
Below I’m just going to list some of the characteristics that make up the nuclei of most cults and the similarities are fucking eery to say the least:
1. Generally, information control becomes of utmost importance in all cults. Phil’s word is, ultimately, gospel. Everything he says or claims is true. Everything anyone else said about him is false, contradictory, and untrustworthy. Often times, the information is only drip-fed in small doses to maintain total control over the reality that the cult leader needs to create to justify the content of the information. And when someone has total control over a narrative they disclose on a daily basis, it becomes impossible to judge what is true or false.
2. The concept of the enemy within is prevalent within Phil’s following. Short and long-term supporters are cast out at a moment’s notice regardless of how many years of support or service they invested into the cult. The moment the dominant narrative is questioned or information dispensed by the cult leader is challenged in any way, the person becomes essentially exiled and banned forever. Groveling or public apologies may get you back in so the cult leader can reassert dominance but being welcomed back in is not guaranteed. Additionally, the cult leader often demands that the rest of the following either harasses or completely cuts contact with the exiled/ banned ex-supporter. This way of keeping control of who belongs and who doesn’t constantly puts people in a state of fear that they could be next.
3. Here’s a big one: financial motive. I touched upon this in one of my opening paragraphs and no cult can function without funding. A typical way to generate money is constantly telling people that the service/ gift/ product that only they can provide takes time and energy. And without adequate funds, they will not be able to produce aforementioned. their service/ gift/ product. So if you don’t give money to Phil, he won’t be able to stream and you won’t be able to get the chill, intimate, and community-centric content that only he is able to produce. This pressure, when constantly reinforced, works extremely well especially when the person controls the information in regards to what they give to the followers to create perceived value that no one else can provide.
4. Dissent is strictly forbidden. The cult leader’s words and narratives are considered gospel. Any sort of meaningful challenge to any dominant narrative is forbidden. Ridicule is the most common tool to disparage and cast off any sort of criticism.
5. Often times, to make themselves appear more sympathetic and empathetic, the cult leader will appropriate the trials and tribulations of anybody they may know and feed off their miseries to make themselves look better. For example, the streamer Ethica’s death is a great example of someone unrelated to Phil but whose death was used to once again reinforce his narrative of us vs. the trolls. His followers’ difficulties are also often used as topics to talk about their own struggles and how it affects them.
6. The “Us vs. Them” mentality is another big one. Ultimately, Phil makes you believe that you’re part of this special group that’s fighting off this indescribable, shapeless, and unidentifiable evil that is always lurking out there. It keeps followers invested and make them feel like they belong somewhere when very often, people susceptible to joining such groups are lonely and feel inadequate. A perfect fit for misfits snd losers.
7. The use of a very specific vernacular to obfuscate the truth the cult leader tries to disseminate is also very important. We’re all very aware of how Phil twists and misuses words and terms to satisfy the narrative he is trying to portray (i.e. behind the scenes, support, detractors, to list a few). The creation of a specific vocabulary where terms are often nebulous and undefined keep people ignorant and confused about the actual truth and enables the cult leader to reinforce their own narrative. For me, Phil’s most ingenious term that he came up with has to be the word “detractor.” The definition is loose and can include anyone from a random YT user kindly telling him that maybe he should do X thing to improve his videos to people who are attempting to swat him. It enables him to lop anyone even mildly critical of him into a group associated with people who are potentially trying to kill him. Everyone can be deigned as an enemy instantly.
8. Ultimately, Phil, like every other cult leader, offers a solution to a problem: are you lonely, bored, and frightened of the world around? Of the relationships in your life? Of all your responsibilities? Well, come chill AND support Phil so you can forget about all your problems for a few hours a day. But remember, Phil cannot do this without your support and you have to believe him regardless of what he says or claims. Otherwise you’re not welcome to be part of this very special group.
Alright, this was embarrassingly long and it’s my late night autism kicking in but I thought that all of these cult-defining properties fit Phil’s little ecosystem just too neatly for it to be a coincidence.
I just finished watching this Vice documentary (The Devil You Know) and it described a series of murders related to this weird online cult created by some psycho named Sherry Shriner. I assume anyone who might be a bit of a cult aficionado would have heard of her. The documentary isn’t that great but it still represents a testament of how desperate, naive, and hungry for easy answers some people tend to be. Cult leaders tend to prey on weak and gullible individuals (start to sound familiar yet?) and so many times while watching this documentary, the way this woman controlled and managed her dedicated following reminded me of Phil. Hence why I thought you guys might be interested in reading about some of the similarities between traditional online cults and the ‘Tism Vortex.
A few things to preface before I get into it. First, I am aware that @LyteSydeByll did a few videos in regards to this topic and it garnered a fair amount of interest but from my understanding, he never finished the series (sadly) as he’s stopped making videos/ steaming in general. Second, I feel that it is important to identify the timeframe around which Phil approximately started to turn his fan base into this weird little cult. My best estimate is that the transition from relatively normal fan base to cult happened once his YT channel started going downhill and when he transitioned to full-time streaming. The moment his ability to generate money stopped primarily relying on YT AdSense and started being reliant on individuals is when you can distinguish a distinct shift in how Phil started talking to his audience and controlling (or attempting to control at the very least) the online space that he dedicated to himself as an online content creator. Third, which I believe is a very important one, like most cults, Phil didn’t outright plan to turn his online presence into a cult, the methodologies he employed inadvertently created the cultish conditions that now permeate his streams — and let’s be honest anyways, Phil is too fucking stupid, lazy, and untalented to create something as intricate as a real cult from the onset anyways. And fourth, which is very specific to Phil and his little cult, the dominant ideology is a very simple one: in this us vs. them battle, winning is achieved by giving Phil money. Kudos to this fat, pasty, ghoulish looking loser for turning his begging into a lucrative cult. Truly fascinating.
Below I’m just going to list some of the characteristics that make up the nuclei of most cults and the similarities are fucking eery to say the least:
1. Generally, information control becomes of utmost importance in all cults. Phil’s word is, ultimately, gospel. Everything he says or claims is true. Everything anyone else said about him is false, contradictory, and untrustworthy. Often times, the information is only drip-fed in small doses to maintain total control over the reality that the cult leader needs to create to justify the content of the information. And when someone has total control over a narrative they disclose on a daily basis, it becomes impossible to judge what is true or false.
2. The concept of the enemy within is prevalent within Phil’s following. Short and long-term supporters are cast out at a moment’s notice regardless of how many years of support or service they invested into the cult. The moment the dominant narrative is questioned or information dispensed by the cult leader is challenged in any way, the person becomes essentially exiled and banned forever. Groveling or public apologies may get you back in so the cult leader can reassert dominance but being welcomed back in is not guaranteed. Additionally, the cult leader often demands that the rest of the following either harasses or completely cuts contact with the exiled/ banned ex-supporter. This way of keeping control of who belongs and who doesn’t constantly puts people in a state of fear that they could be next.
3. Here’s a big one: financial motive. I touched upon this in one of my opening paragraphs and no cult can function without funding. A typical way to generate money is constantly telling people that the service/ gift/ product that only they can provide takes time and energy. And without adequate funds, they will not be able to produce aforementioned. their service/ gift/ product. So if you don’t give money to Phil, he won’t be able to stream and you won’t be able to get the chill, intimate, and community-centric content that only he is able to produce. This pressure, when constantly reinforced, works extremely well especially when the person controls the information in regards to what they give to the followers to create perceived value that no one else can provide.
4. Dissent is strictly forbidden. The cult leader’s words and narratives are considered gospel. Any sort of meaningful challenge to any dominant narrative is forbidden. Ridicule is the most common tool to disparage and cast off any sort of criticism.
5. Often times, to make themselves appear more sympathetic and empathetic, the cult leader will appropriate the trials and tribulations of anybody they may know and feed off their miseries to make themselves look better. For example, the streamer Ethica’s death is a great example of someone unrelated to Phil but whose death was used to once again reinforce his narrative of us vs. the trolls. His followers’ difficulties are also often used as topics to talk about their own struggles and how it affects them.
6. The “Us vs. Them” mentality is another big one. Ultimately, Phil makes you believe that you’re part of this special group that’s fighting off this indescribable, shapeless, and unidentifiable evil that is always lurking out there. It keeps followers invested and make them feel like they belong somewhere when very often, people susceptible to joining such groups are lonely and feel inadequate. A perfect fit for misfits snd losers.
7. The use of a very specific vernacular to obfuscate the truth the cult leader tries to disseminate is also very important. We’re all very aware of how Phil twists and misuses words and terms to satisfy the narrative he is trying to portray (i.e. behind the scenes, support, detractors, to list a few). The creation of a specific vocabulary where terms are often nebulous and undefined keep people ignorant and confused about the actual truth and enables the cult leader to reinforce their own narrative. For me, Phil’s most ingenious term that he came up with has to be the word “detractor.” The definition is loose and can include anyone from a random YT user kindly telling him that maybe he should do X thing to improve his videos to people who are attempting to swat him. It enables him to lop anyone even mildly critical of him into a group associated with people who are potentially trying to kill him. Everyone can be deigned as an enemy instantly.
8. Ultimately, Phil, like every other cult leader, offers a solution to a problem: are you lonely, bored, and frightened of the world around? Of the relationships in your life? Of all your responsibilities? Well, come chill AND support Phil so you can forget about all your problems for a few hours a day. But remember, Phil cannot do this without your support and you have to believe him regardless of what he says or claims. Otherwise you’re not welcome to be part of this very special group.
Alright, this was embarrassingly long and it’s my late night autism kicking in but I thought that all of these cult-defining properties fit Phil’s little ecosystem just too neatly for it to be a coincidence.
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That Twitter shitstorm was hilarious. I love how he acted surprised at being called "pretentious" when we all know he loves to throw out words and phrases he barely understands to make himself look smart, then this happened...
UsedUp
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Phils belief of what meaningful content is.
Wheelchair: DSP you made me not commit minecraft when you laugh at cock and balls and scat humor in your game play! Here's $100 -wipes away tears-
Wheelchair: DSP you made me not commit minecraft when you laugh at cock and balls and scat humor in your game play! Here's $100 -wipes away tears-
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Just to follow on from @MoonRocker said about the cult, I think we very recently crossed a threshold that makes a significant case for this - when Phil started banning basic math in his chat.
We're used to the Pignosis, but to me this stood out as a moment where Phil crossed from spinning narratives, half truths and lies, and just had to censor simple reality. It's one thing for him to use his hand graphs to obfuscate his income and expenses, but when people were able to multiply his tips goal and expose the unreasonable amount that he was asking for, he didn't even try to address it, he just banned anyone from speaking about this simple math that used public-facing numbers. I can't imagine what it's like to see someone do math and say to yourself, "I can't allow them to do this because I can't explain this," and hit the ban button. To me that's when he crossed a dangerous line, and the cult comparisons became pretty reasonable.
But that also goes for his audience. It's one thing when you have to come here to see the tracking of his income and the math, and you can gobble up Phil's lies about the inaccuracy, or the hidden fees and gaps in concealed income (like subs and cheers). But the tips goals were right there. Any idiot in his chat could do the math, and any idiot in his chat with any money should realize that no, you don't need $10k/month to live after a bankruptcy if you've supposedly stripped expenses to the bare minimum. You just don't. And they saw him ban that math. And they chose to stay and support him. Well at that point, it's over - it's an obvious scam and he's obviously lying, and he's actively trying to suppress information... you have to consciously say, "I'm okay with this and I still support and trust Phil even though this feels wrong." And sure enough, he has fans and supporters that witnessed this and seem to unironically have made this choice. You can't do that without some willful faith component.
I really think after that, Phil is capable of just about anything to try to keep his scam going. Pulling the trigger on the math was pulling the trigger on whatever remained of his conscience.
We're used to the Pignosis, but to me this stood out as a moment where Phil crossed from spinning narratives, half truths and lies, and just had to censor simple reality. It's one thing for him to use his hand graphs to obfuscate his income and expenses, but when people were able to multiply his tips goal and expose the unreasonable amount that he was asking for, he didn't even try to address it, he just banned anyone from speaking about this simple math that used public-facing numbers. I can't imagine what it's like to see someone do math and say to yourself, "I can't allow them to do this because I can't explain this," and hit the ban button. To me that's when he crossed a dangerous line, and the cult comparisons became pretty reasonable.
But that also goes for his audience. It's one thing when you have to come here to see the tracking of his income and the math, and you can gobble up Phil's lies about the inaccuracy, or the hidden fees and gaps in concealed income (like subs and cheers). But the tips goals were right there. Any idiot in his chat could do the math, and any idiot in his chat with any money should realize that no, you don't need $10k/month to live after a bankruptcy if you've supposedly stripped expenses to the bare minimum. You just don't. And they saw him ban that math. And they chose to stay and support him. Well at that point, it's over - it's an obvious scam and he's obviously lying, and he's actively trying to suppress information... you have to consciously say, "I'm okay with this and I still support and trust Phil even though this feels wrong." And sure enough, he has fans and supporters that witnessed this and seem to unironically have made this choice. You can't do that without some willful faith component.
I really think after that, Phil is capable of just about anything to try to keep his scam going. Pulling the trigger on the math was pulling the trigger on whatever remained of his conscience.
King Nutsack
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Way to just pull any random "thank you" gif off of Twitter's gif searcher, you lazy boomer tard desperate to try to put on a good face for social media.
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This seemingly innocuous tweet almost made me MATI:
Phil has repeateadly derided the practice of sending out early review copies. And he has called those who receives them as shills.
And yet, here he is once again reading/watching early reviews and even trusting them. (He also of course doesn't address how these "shill" reviews are negative).
Nothing this man says matters. He has no principles or values that he adheres to. He will say whatever best suits him at that specific moment in time in order to: seem positive, seem mature, seem truthful, justify his incompetency, justify his greed, justify his laziness, protect his ego.
This man is impossible to deal with. Which is why he has no friends and will die alone.
EDIT: This also applies to his relationship with RTU. Phil has targeted many nasty toxic insults towards Rich over the years, but he revealed yesterday that he would gladly be on his show. Excuse me, what?
Phil has repeateadly derided the practice of sending out early review copies. And he has called those who receives them as shills.
And yet, here he is once again reading/watching early reviews and even trusting them. (He also of course doesn't address how these "shill" reviews are negative).
Nothing this man says matters. He has no principles or values that he adheres to. He will say whatever best suits him at that specific moment in time in order to: seem positive, seem mature, seem truthful, justify his incompetency, justify his greed, justify his laziness, protect his ego.
This man is impossible to deal with. Which is why he has no friends and will die alone.
EDIT: This also applies to his relationship with RTU. Phil has targeted many nasty toxic insults towards Rich over the years, but he revealed yesterday that he would gladly be on his show. Excuse me, what?
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I always find it interesting how Phil has created this very toxic, cult like environment around himself with no specific planning or effort besides his combination of mental illnesses. Phil just does it naturally.
With the kind of behavior it takes to create that type of environment though you end up with only the most needy pathetic fucks sticking around.
Reminds me of the Robert Anton Wilson quote he attributed to a learned man who refused requests to take on followers because "A disciple is an asshole looking for a human being to attach itself to."
With the kind of behavior it takes to create that type of environment though you end up with only the most needy pathetic fucks sticking around.
Reminds me of the Robert Anton Wilson quote he attributed to a learned man who refused requests to take on followers because "A disciple is an asshole looking for a human being to attach itself to."
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Phil made it in video game!
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That's the very maximum you will get from Phil: A tweet that was made in one minute + thankyou.gif.
What more can you ask for?
Don't you feel great now, findom pigs?
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Beggarbux were at $102 when he perpetrated the scam
He can type in any number he wants at any time. Especially to protect his ego.
That he knows nothing about footbal.
He reveals personal info all the time without trolling.
lmao. He has to scramble to cover his ass after being called out.
I thought he didn't read reviews.gettingthatgrooveback said:This seemingly innocuous tweet almost made me MATI:
Phil has repeateadly derided the practice of sending out early review copies. And he has called those who receives them as shills.
And yet, here he is once again reading/watching early reviews and even trusting them. (He also of course doesn't address how these "shill" reviews are negative).
Nothing this man says matters. He has no principles or values that he adheres to. He will say whatever best suits him at that specific moment in time in order to: seem positive, seem mature, seem truthful, justify his incompetency, justify his greed, justify his laziness, protect his ego.
This man is impossible to deal with. Which is why he has no friends and will die alone.
EDIT: This also applies to his relationship with RTU. Phil has targeted many nasty toxic insults towards Rich over the years, but he revealed yesterday that he would gladly be on his show. Excuse me, what?
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Next up: Huge giveaway of feces after feasting with the king!
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I made some pictures of his punchable face featuring headphone hair and bitch tits.
Phil is a literal denthead.
By week 11 his beard got even worse.
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I’ve just realized that Phil is slowly mutating into looking like Mundane Matt. But with less hair.
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Fuckin’ Berserk. I forgot about this.
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Here’s something for comparison with DSP:
Notice how:
*The guy’s streams and videos are actually entertaining.
*Respectful and nice towards his audience.
*Basically only plays shooters, primarily CoD. Doesn’t need gimmicks or “Da hardcore gaming season” to get thousands of viewers.
*You get fun reactions that never veer into “Nothin’ I could do! This game is shiat!”
*No fucking begging! The guy doesn’t even mention tipping but gets them anyways.
*At one point he gets a $20 tip, is extremely gracious and goes: “May be all be blessed like this in these troubled times!” (When was the last time Phil said anything similar on his pahsitive and chill streams?)
Notice how:
*The guy’s streams and videos are actually entertaining.
*Respectful and nice towards his audience.
*Basically only plays shooters, primarily CoD. Doesn’t need gimmicks or “Da hardcore gaming season” to get thousands of viewers.
*You get fun reactions that never veer into “Nothin’ I could do! This game is shiat!”
*No fucking begging! The guy doesn’t even mention tipping but gets them anyways.
*At one point he gets a $20 tip, is extremely gracious and goes: “May be all be blessed like this in these troubled times!” (When was the last time Phil said anything similar on his pahsitive and chill streams?)
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(Made another post because I couldn’t reply directly.)
Your post wouldn’t have been wrong a few years ago, but is there really a paypig cult today?
I’d say no. Aside from SuperBlindMan and and a handful (maybe a dozen? Two dozen?) of literal
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Phil’s streams get around 200 viewers, and the vast majority of them are ironic fans, trolls and people who kinda fell into DSPs community when there still was one, know that Phil is full of shit, but hang out there anyways because they know some people there.
Anyone else watching Phil that isn’t included here? Oh yeah: The one or two whales who for whatever reason like to “dominate” communities and give thousands of dollars away to a failed streamer.
Fuck, just look at Phil’s chat whenever he starts to pigsplain something or do pignosis. It’s literally nothing but “X” and ironic comments like: “You all need to STEP UP AND SUPPORT PHIL! He needs money for his bills!”
The days of the PR-Cult are over man. When IC disappears, Phil will be in deep doo doo.
Your post wouldn’t have been wrong a few years ago, but is there really a paypig cult today?
I’d say no. Aside from SuperBlindMan and and a handful (maybe a dozen? Two dozen?) of literal
️ and .Phil’s streams get around 200 viewers, and the vast majority of them are ironic fans, trolls and people who kinda fell into DSPs community when there still was one, know that Phil is full of shit, but hang out there anyways because they know some people there.
Anyone else watching Phil that isn’t included here? Oh yeah: The one or two whales who for whatever reason like to “dominate” communities and give thousands of dollars away to a failed streamer.
Fuck, just look at Phil’s chat whenever he starts to pigsplain something or do pignosis. It’s literally nothing but “X” and ironic comments like: “You all need to STEP UP AND SUPPORT PHIL! He needs money for his bills!”
The days of the PR-Cult are over man. When IC disappears, Phil will be in deep doo doo.
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I wonder if that will make it into his gaming news segment.
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