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For a long time, they indeed used CGI images of the virus. When I google Coronavirus under microscrope I find a few images:
Coronavirus under the microscope: A closer look at the deadly pathogen -  SCIENCE News

Anything can be faked tho, I mean, I'm not saying Covid is fake but still.
@Drain Todger thanks for digging deep. I had a nasty feeling *they* are all connected....
Thanks for this, I admit I have next to zero knowledge of these tiny things and everything I've seen has been some sort of CGI/animation. I always have in my head that alien-looking bacteriophage we've all seen in school. Gotta admit, these little buggers are rather fascinating considering they're not technically "alive."
 
Literally everything I read about hospital protocols for COVID ensure that I will never visit a hospital if I have ANY sense of consciousness left.

Although to be fair, that's been a family trait long before COVID. Without powerleveling, I've had relatives escape hospitals because they said "fuck it."
 
Ventilation is usually used when the patient cannot physically breathe on their own. This includes people with brain trauma, or people in comas. With COVID, as far as I understand and I'm no medical professional, the problem isn't the physical mechanics of the lungs failing. It's the oxygen transfer that occurs in the small blood vessels lining the lungs failing. Like with asthma, they become inflammed and don't absorb enough oxygen from the air. Therefore a ventilator doesn't do shit, it just damages the lungs and diaphragm, and you die from low oxygen saturation anyway. If I'm wrong here, someone who knows more feel free to correct me.

Yep. The only aside is that secondary bacterial infection is pretty common in severely unwell patients with suppressed immune systems. Having a bacterial pneumonia sucks and I wonder how many Type 1 respiratory failures with Covid are being caused by this?

Their justification for intubating is to reduce work of breathing but if no gas exchange is happening in the lungs because of inflammation and not because they're plugged up with mucous positive pressure ventilation is pointless for anything more than the very short term. Asthmatics are rested on ventilators, hopefully for no more than a few hours until the steroids kick in. Any non retarded ICU doctor will know that anything more than that is a death sentence. Adapting critical care asthma protocols to treat Covid would be infinitely better.
 
@Drain Todger It’s interesting to see you post about budesonide and melatonin. I found a cool doctor that prescribed me a “COVID kit” in case I get sick. Budesonide was one of the prescriptions (I’m supposed to put it in a nebulizer). He also mentioned taking a high dose of melatonin. Additionally, he gave me scripts for albuterol, an antibiotic, ivermectin and a cough medicine. I had to get the ivermectin from a compounding pharmacy. I just wanted to let you know that some doctors agree with you on those medications.
 
So would an asthma inhaler be an effective treatment for people who have Covid affect their lungs so they can breathe again?
 
A Canadian ethics professor gives her last lecture about being coerced into the vaxx or being fired. She was later fired. The ending is heart breaking to watch.

 
So would an asthma inhaler be an effective treatment for people who have Covid affect their lungs so they can breathe again?
There's a fair amount of anecdotal evidence for it. Asthmatics were significantly under-represented amongst covid cases and deaths, which caused some puzzlement at the time it was noticed, because you'd think an asthmatic would be a prime candidate for severe symptoms.

Again and again and again, treating inflammation seems to be a cure-all for this (and probably a lot of other things), to the point that a little prophylactic anti-inflammatory treatment can stop this thing dead in its tracks. It boggles the mind that the world's chosen cure is instead something that causes massive inflammation.
 
There's a fair amount of anecdotal evidence for it. Asthmatics were significantly under-represented amongst covid cases and deaths, which caused some puzzlement at the time it was noticed, because you'd think an asthmatic would be a prime candidate for severe symptoms.

Again and again and again, treating inflammation seems to be a cure-all for this (and probably a lot of other things), to the point that a little prophylactic anti-inflammatory treatment can stop this thing dead in its tracks. It boggles the mind that the world's chosen cure is instead something that causes massive inflammation.
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Why would they intentionally make the virus worse? I can't for the life of me figure out WHY!
 
Have the CFR numbers for Delta been released for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated?
 
@borsabil

It doesn't matter how much air they pump in with a ventilator. It will only make things worse. The blood will not oxygenate because it can't. It's chemically impossible.


In other inflammatory infections, activated neutrophils are known to release myeloperoxidase (MPO) in a natural immune response, which contributes to production of hypochlorous acid (HOCl). However, during overwhelming inflammation, HOCl competes with O2 at heme binding sites, decreasing O2 saturation. Moreover, HOCl contributes to several oxidative reactions, including hemoglobin-heme iron oxidation, heme destruction, and subsequent release of free iron, which mediates toxic tissue injury through additional generation of ROS and NO consumption.


In this translational medicine based narrative review, the following pathologic metabolic pathways, deriving from hemoglobin denaturation and iron metabolism dysregulation, are highlighted: i) decrease of functioning hemoglobin quote; ii) iron overload in cell/tissue (hyperferritinemia); iii) release of free toxic circulating heme; iv) hypoxemia and systemic hypoxia; v) reduction of nitric oxide; vi) coagulation activation; vii) ferroptosis with oxidative stress and lipoperoxidation; viii) mitochondrial degeneration and apoptosis. A few clinical syndromes may follow, such as pulmonary edema based on arterial vasoconstriction and altered alveolo-capillary barrier, sideroblastic-like anemia, endotheliitis, vasospastic acrosyndrome, and arterio- venous thromboembolism. We speculated that in COVID-19, beyond the classical pulmonary immune-inflammation view, the occurrence of an oxygen-deprived blood disease, with iron metabolism dysregulation, should be taken in consideration. A more comprehensive diagnostic/therapeutic approach to COVID-19 is proposed, including potential adjuvant interventions aimed at improving hemoglobin dysfunction, iron over-deposit and generalized hypoxic state.

In order to make oxidative stress, what do you need? Oxygen. Lots of it. Reactive oxygen species are produced by the consumption of oxygen, in fact.


Hypoxia and consequently anoxia result in a decrease in intracellular ATP and an increase in ATP degradation products, such as hypoxanthine, which generates ROS production when oxygen is reintroduced during reperfusion and/or ventilation. During ischemia, this phenomenon may occur in the lung if the alveolar oxygen tension drops below 7 mmHg [26, 27]. The absence of pulmonary blood flow leads to lipid peroxidation, even in the presence of oxygen. The mechanism of oxidative stress is different from what occurs during anoxia-reoxygenation because it is not associated with decreased ATP, and it may occur even during the period of cold ischemia in an organ stored for transplantation [28].

This is what I mean by hitting an oxidative stress bomb with oxygen. Hitting lungs that have had prolonged hypoxia with a sudden influx of oxygen is like pulling all the control rods out of a xenon-poisoned nuclear reactor. It's a terrible idea.

I mean, it seems like a great idea because these people have low O2 saturation and hypoxia, and because we need oxygen to make ATP (which is to say, we need oxygen to live), but the blood won't take it. Enzymes that make ROS, on the other hand, will, and that ROS will go on to aggressively oxidize lipids, leading to ferroptosis and cell death.



Lipid peroxidation is the same chemical process of electron transfer as fire, or rust. It's what bleach does when it bleaches your clothing in the washing machine; it oxidizes the shit on your clothes, breaking it down and making them appear white. It's what hydrogen peroxide does to your teeth; oxidation breaks down the material staining them, leaving them visibly white. Yes, the fats and DNA in your body can "rust" if exposed to excess ROS. That's what oxidative stress is.

Remember when Bing Liu was killed in a very suspicious murder-suicide in Pittsburgh? The guy who was, and I quote, "on the verge of making very significant findings toward understanding the cellular mechanisms that underlie SARS-CoV-2 infection and the cellular basis of the following complications", before he died?

What was his specialty?


He single-handedly helped all of us as well as many collaborators including clinicians here and in other institutions, understand and quantitatively model many complex processes, including immune signaling events, apoptotic and ferroptotic cell death, autophagy, redox lipid programming, response to radiation and radiation therapy, systems (poly)pharmacological treatments. In recent years, he had three publications in Nature Chem Biol, three in Radiation Research, two in Scientific Reports, one in Science Signaling, one in International Journal of Molecular Sciences, and one in Frontiers in Pharmacology.

Ferroptosis and redox biology. Yep. He fucking knew too much. That's why they killed him.

@Drain Todger It’s interesting to see you post about budesonide and melatonin. I found a cool doctor that prescribed me a “COVID kit” in case I get sick. Budesonide was one of the prescriptions (I’m supposed to put it in a nebulizer). He also mentioned taking a high dose of melatonin. Additionally, he gave me scripts for albuterol, an antibiotic, ivermectin and a cough medicine. I had to get the ivermectin from a compounding pharmacy. I just wanted to let you know that some doctors agree with you on those medications.

Scientists keep making the same mistake over and over again.

"Cigarette smoke prevents COVID? It must be the nicotine! COVID-19 must be a nicotinic cholinergic disease!"

No. Cigarette smoke contains nitric oxide, which is an antioxidant.

"Melatonin treats COVID? It must be because melatonin suppresses inflammatory cytokines!"

No. Melatonin is an antioxidant and it also scavenges peroxynitrite.

"Budesonide treats COVID? It must be because budesonide is an inhaled steroid and gets into the lungs quicker than injected steroids like dexamethasone!"

No. Budesonide is not just an inhaled steroid, it's also an antioxidant.

"Famotidine treats COVID? It must be because it's a histamine blocker! Histamine activity is somehow increasing these people's inflammation!"

No. The most common H2 blockers are all antioxidants.

"Fluvoxamine treats COVID? It must be because serotonin reuptake does something to make the virus worse!"

No. Fluvoxamine is an antioxidant.

Almost every goddamn repurposed drug that has any benefit at all for COVID-19 is an antioxidant and can scavenge or inhibit reactive oxygen species.

That's because clinical deterioration in COVID-19 can basically be modeled according to the "kindling radical/bonfire hypothesis", where upstream radicals like superoxide sequentially trigger the downstream formation of even more reactive and deadly hydroxyl radicals.







COVID-19 is fundamentally an oxidative stress disease. The treatment is antioxidants.
 
A Canadian ethics professor gives her last lecture about being coerced into the vaxx or being fired. She was later fired. The ending is heart breaking to watch.

US military service members are being intensely pressured to sign a form saying they volunteered for the vax when we all know there isn't anything voluntary about it, raising credible suspicions that its so they can be denied VA disability if they have adverse and life changing reactions. They claim its because the "new" forms aren't available but bullshit, any monkey could whip one up and have the medical staff print it.

Anecdotally, I've heard from several people that many are opting to leave, but most are not leaving on a voluntary basis, for refusing to get the vax.

I have seen and lived under various banana republics type countries to know what happens when you alienate and downright antagonize the members of a country's military, particularly infantry and closely related occupations. We aren't a banana republic but the creators of them, and seems this administration is hell bent on turning us into one, which I predict will backfire spectacularly.
 
Yes there is, the results just take longer to know which strain you have contracted. I only know from the health department in my local district when they had my positive results. The tests just take longer and are more sensitive.
Incorrect. The only way to screen a sample for a variant is with a sequencing machine.

Prove me wrong.
 
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"If you don't get the vaccine, then you don't deserve healthcare."

Couple things:

-This is a horrifying precedent and a frightening number of people are hugely in favor of it
-Kimmel continues to make culture worse
-What happened to medical care being a basic human right that everyone deserves access to?
-I keep seeing the valid question "if we should deny healthcare to anti vaxxers because they choose to be unhealthy, shouldn't we also deny beds to the morbidly obese, since they also chose to be unhealthy?" answered with "being fat isn't a transmittable disease" which doesn't actually answer the question. Since being obese not only drastically increases your chance of complications from covid, but also puts you at great risk for health complications, since we're allegedly low on beds shouldn't we also prioritize helping those who choose to be healthy instead of those who knowingly self sabotaged their own bodies despite the countless warnings by every scientific magazine that eating right and exercising is vital to a long life?
 
Incorrect. The only way to screen a sample for a variant is with a sequencing machine.

Prove me wrong.
Probably, I don't know their process when analyzing COVID samples. All I know is when they recieved mine, they had to take it to another lab for further testing to see what variant it ended up being I contracted by them. The PCR only shows if there is a particulate that might resemble COVID and even then those are very inaccurate. Makes sense they will send the positive samples to another lab for further analysis to determine the specific details of it.
From what I can understand they can gene sequence just about anything since the advent of the human genome project, and makes sense those samples take a lot longer to analyze. So realistically there isn't an immediate test for a strain, not disagreeing with you there. Though they have methods to further analyse a sample.
 
Probably, I don't know their process when analyzing COVID samples. All I know is when they recieved mine, they had to take it to another lab for further testing to see what variant it ended up being I contracted by them. The PCR only shows if there is a particulate that might resemble COVID and even then those are very inaccurate. Makes sense they will send the positive samples to another lab for further analysis to determine the specific details of it.
From what I can understand they can gene sequence just about anything since the advent of the human genome project, and makes sense those samples take a lot longer to analyze. So realistically there isn't an immediate test for a strain, not disagreeing with you there. Though they have methods to further analyse a sample.
Yeah I agree they can identify the strain in a sample in a lab, but it's a manual process done by well-paid lab technicians in white coats using million-dollar machines, not something they're able to do on a large scale. I am not aware of any wide-scale sequencing being done, and I am very skeptical that your test was actually sequenced down to a specific strain.
 
@Hippopatumus

From what I understand they started doing it at least where I live around the time that the variants started tearing through everyone. This was more recent change in their procedure for addressing variants of concern. I was skeptical as well, but I got that information right from the horses mouth. They have been posting the variant data for a while now where I am at, just it has a longer lapse time, because the points you made about the sophisticated equipment required.
 
I find it highly ironic that leftists will yell at you for not listening to science when you refuse the placebo vaccine but when a doctor prescribes none-vaccine antivirals they call everyone involved a hack or fraud.

The only standards leftists have are double standards.

Joe Rogan should sue CNN.
 
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