Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

For those of you who skip his live streams, here’s a sampling of a recent one. The tongue protrusions alone are nightmare inducing.


I got onto the Olly train late (right after trooning), has he always been this spergy? Based on older videos it seems he was trying to go for the typical YT host a la Hank Green in SciShow to display the content until he started cribbing Nyk. He talks less like how I’ve seen troons talk (not enough anime-isms) but how one unhinged girl I used to work with did; manic energy and all. Is this an act, is he skinwalking, what happened? His speech is so feminine compared to his gait.

In the gym twice a day sounds impressive until you realise he meant sometimes he did a 15 minute session on the elliptical in the morning and then occasionally did a 10 minute session on the exercise bikes in the evening

The gym twice a day is a retarded concept. Unless you’re the Rock there’s no benefit from two 20 minute sessions (your muscles don’t even warm up until 20 minutes and cardio before the 20 minute mark is borderline useless), he’d have gotten more out of it spending an hour and a half every other day. Maybe that’s why he never got really “jacked.”

Trannies often have this delusion or possibly a cope that when they were a man they were super masculine and cool, often ladykillers that the female race is mourning the loss of. Then of course they morph into lady killers.

I think it stems from comparing their current status within the hierarchy of their true and honest gender vs their old status in the dating world, that's probably why it's always troonbians (AKA AGPs) who are spewing this nonsense even if they have only had a grand total of 1 girlfriend through their life before trooning out.

Sorry for the weird nesting. Proof that AGPs are failed men and often incels who need female attention so badly, they’d rather bully lesbians and settle for other doughy AGPs to make up for lacking masculinity. A mask off moment.
 
I'm aware this makes me sound schizophrenic as hell so if you're going to read this please bear with me and watch the parts of the livestream that I am discussing.

Snl825 tweeted twice while Olly was livestreaming. The first tweet snl825 posted was a response to a tweet that was posted over half an hour before Olly started livestreaming. If this is Olly's account then it is possible that he scheduled the tweet to post during his livestream, especially since the tweet was posted from the web app which allows that option.
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Please keep in mind the livestream started at 12:00 PM and ended at 1:30 PM in my timezone, this becomes especially important for the next section.

The second tweet was posted three minutes before the livestream ended (1:27 PM), and was in response to a reply that was posted during the livestream (at 1:23PM). If this is Olly's account then someone could be helping him out by posting while he's streaming. HOWEVER, Olly starts typing furiously at around 1:26:50 and attempts to mask this sound by eating, talking, and trying to act as though he's rummaging through a bag. He finishes typing before 1:28, and takes his hands away from the keyboard for the rest of the livestream.

Timeline of Olly typing:
1:23- "Vivienne Carole", TERF, posts a tweet about how Olly is a misogynist
1:23:58 to 1:24:23- Olly checks his computer, tells the audience that he is changing the music around.
1:26:50 to 1:27:04- Olly types on his keyboard (very quietly, turn your sound up if listening).
1:27:20 to 1:28:00-Olly types on his keyboard again (he tries to play this off as rummaging through a plastic bag, but it sounds like a keyboard and he is looking at the computer screen instead of the bag)
1:27- snl825 tweet is posted sometime during this minute.
1:28:00- Olly takes his hands way from the keyboard, keeps his hands visible in frame and does so for the last 2 minutes of the livestream. So right after the snl825 tweet was posted he keeps his hands in frame, very awkwardly, for the last 2 minutes to show he isn't anywhere near his keyboard.

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Feel free to come to your own conclusion here. Did Olly check his twitter at 1:23, find the first bit of criticism he could, and then type out and post a reply at 1:27?? Or did Olly just happen to fuck around on his computer at the exact moments that snl825 happened to be finding a TERF tweet and typing out and posting a reply to it?
 
Lol I was watching to see if snl tweeted as well, and went down the same train of thought - perhaps they were prescheduled.

I stopped paying attention to the end of the stream, so I hadn’t noticed what you describe here. I don’t personally really hear keyboard clacks. He keeps smacking the chocolate raisins around in his mouth (like a lady) so it’s hard to say what noise is occurring. He did turn the air on earlier in the stream and commented about the hum it would make. So perhaps he was conscious of the sound environment. Anyway this will become like the Zarupeder film lol.

Maybe SNL isn’t Olly, and maybe “she” is. The important thing is that Olly is a gigantic narcissistic retard. So I sleep well firm in that knowledge lol.
 
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It's funny that Tombigbee described this girl as looking "barely of age" considering this tweet:
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I also tried to reverse image searching this to no avail. But it is well known that the version of these tools available to the public have been nerfed in recent years. What's weirder is that I remember this account claiming to be a second account, only used for arguing - that's why it has nothing identifying. Why then would you upload a picture, presumably of yourself? It doesn't make sense to me.

What is the main account? It follows one account: https://twitter.com/Annnabelrose
However this is definitely not the same person. Snl always ends the last sentence with punctuation, while this account never does.

On this account's claims of being American, it does use American spelling somewhat often. For example:
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Note that "behavior" is spelt in the American way. "ahole" also strikes me as very American. However, the phrase "genuinely baffled" seems to me to be very British. Could an American or a Brit comment on this?
American spelling is very easy to fake - just make your autocorrect American. However, it doesn't correct phrases obviously, so I think analysis of phrases will be a good way to catch him.

In all, I find it funny how snl is everything Oliver wants to be. A real woman, an American (he has said multiply times that he thinks the American accent is hot), has a rare genetic condition that perfectly proves his points. What a coincidence that this devoted fan only ever appears when there is controversy around Oliver.
 
That picture- I couldnt find anything on it, but i did find that it looks incredibly simialr to a girl called Saskia Jones, a Cambridge alum who was killed in the terror attack on london bridge. interestingly her old twittter accounts name is very very similar to @snl825, being @SRJ_2015.

Im not saying Olly is psychotic enough to, for example, go through his brother, who was at cambridge at the same time, or some other posh friends facebook mutuals, where only friends of friends can see pictures, find a really old picture of a murder victim, becasue they are dead and will never ask why someone is using thier picture, from like 2007, that no one else will remember one where she looks a touch different, and its by a shit old camera phone, know it wont be on a public search and use it......but yeah i totally am saying that, lol.
Psychotic ravings, eat your heart out.
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if you look at pictures of her, theres something about looking at them on mass...that makes it more convincing than any one individual picture.
Strange that someone would use such a personal picture for an account with no name or other like chummy identifying info. its all stinking,


(also sometimes phones and browsers will correct spellings like Behaviour by removing the U- but the account has posted a lot more delibeate, UK english sounding phrasings in the past)

I'm aware this makes me sound schizophrenic as hell so if you're going to read this please bear with me and watch the parts of the livestream that I am discussing.
eugh, his voice is so much worse.
the eating is disgusting, as well as laughably inconsistent with his ''i no can eat cake 3: '' eating disorder skinwalking bit from that shitvid.

did he touch upon any of the mountains of criticism, including some big full length videos from actual fat people, signal boosted by other quite well known people in his milieu like jessie gender?
or just read the praise?
he seemed pretty pissed off.
why does he keep making weird orgasmic gross gasps?
there is no possible way i can watch him now.
he's like nails on a blackboard, in every facet of presentation.
 
the eating is disgusting, as well as laughably inconsistent with his ''i no can eat cake 3: '' eating disorder skinwalking bit from that shitvid.
That’s a great point. He sowed down on chocolate raisins throughout the video. And has in previous videos too. And as I mentioned earlier, he is very conspicuous eating them, clearly using his tongue to wipe his teeth, plopping several into his open-wide mouth at a time, chewing loudly. I find it entertaining because it’s quite something to see that jaw in action. As you mentioned he’s talking in that creepy falsetto while just unabashedly going to town on sweets. It’s very:

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Besides negating his alleged eating issues, it’s so funny because he looks like such a dude. It’s also kind of immature and rude. His streams are only 1 to 1 1/2 hours long, you’d think he could forgo eating during it.
 
did he touch upon any of the mountains of criticism, including some big full length videos from actual fat people, signal boosted by other quite well known people in his milieu like jessie gender?
or just read the praise?
He did actually address this during the livestream, I'm not going to type it out but here's the timestamp.

As for another interesting livestream moment, here's him recounting a moment from his breakup with Nyk (transcript might be off because I'm writing this based only on the subtitles): "I bought Versace only once... It was a Christmas present, I bought a Versace jumper for a then girlfriend. That was big money, like it was a big big present. She loved Versace, top to bottom she loved it. So I got her this big big big present like 'hey I love you a whole lot'. I mean I used to love to spoil her. So yeah I got this Versace jumper and I had to order it quite far in advance, and she dumped me. So I was like hey even though we just broke up well there's a Versace jumper in the post- do you want to just return that? I made her return it and I got that money back."
Sigma male moment. This technically confirms that they were dating late 2018-late 2019, for anyone that didn't trust extranny456.

Also Olly hinted that he's planning on getting plastic surgery after he finishes filming the first season of Django, they actually added him into more scenes so he'll be going back to Romania in a couple months.
I'm going to be kind again and say that your hair looks very good this livestream, it isn't frizzy and the waves look nice. It does look a tad bit greasy at the roots, however, so if you're applying deep conditioner (or any conditioner) on your roots then don't do that - it makes your hair greasy much faster. You should instead be applying conditioner from a bit below your roots to the tips of your hair. You can also try not shampooing the ends of your hair, just working it into the roots, if you still find that your hair is dry. Also it's hard to really see what you're wearing but it looks rather nice, when you do manage to get it right with your clothing choices you do a much better job than Nyk has ever done (your stylist is terrible however).
 
lmaoooo I'm sorry he's just so fucking predictable

I put on the livestream as background noise and perked up as soon as he tried to act all blithe about transphobes replying to his Rosie Duffield tweet. "They were real mad about it. I just laughed so much!!" In that instant, I KNEW snl825 would be ragetweeting again, and look at that, I'm late to the scene — all of you knew too.

He really can't help himself. He tracks his reputation fanatically. Whenever a comment lands a blow on his ego, it kills him to shut up, let go, and rise above. He's decided that he has to present a clean face to his viewers, and he gets that furiously bickering with Twitter nobodies isn't cool, but he's still gonna waste his time doing it because putting down the phone for 24 hours is just too hard. Letting the haters have the last word? That's like letting them WIN. And Abigail Thorn is the only WINNER, the HERO, the QUEEN, the SUPERSTAR OF TERF ISLAND —

This is why I'm skeptical of his claim that he never watches response videos, as he reiterated in this stream. PT obsessively monitors his public profile & persona while always, always trying to project the impression that he doesn't. Of course he'd watch response videos. And of course he'd deny it to his grave.

Snl825 has been at it for about 9 hours now and is still actively tweeting. They claim to be a woman with Turner syndrome (a rare chromosomal disorder where the individual is missing (either all of, or part of) their second X chromosome, meaning they just have one X chromosome) and also have a new profile picture which doesn't turn up any results when reverse image searching.
Olly has selected a pic that looks like a (barely of age, nice one Olly) girl next door type who is for some reason obsessed with defending a fugly, middling, middle-aged YouTuber who makes “philosophy” videos. It’s not like it’s a super popular make up YouTuber or whatever who plausibly a very young woman might become obsessed with. Highly suspect all of it.
The new pic is hilarious to me. "Hello yes this is me, a real woman on Twitter, which you know because I've attached a picture of me, a real woman, to this anonymous account. This is definitely the normal behavior of a real woman, because when real women make throwaways, we show pictures of our real faces while working hard to keep all other identifying information out. Real women post their faces before adding their names to their profiles. Real women want you to see that they're cis so bad that they'll risk being doxxed from a photo. This is natural human behavior and anyone who questions it is.... um..." *spins wheel* "... a misogynist."

Sloppiest sockpuppet work I've seen in a while. Not a surprise, though. PT has always been bad at putting himself in other people's shoes, constructing models of minds that aren't his own.

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Based Sian.
 
Look who decided to grace the comments of that Livestream. One very real woman called StephaNie L

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The account being from 2013 makes me uncertain. This could be Olly's long time running go-to-alias, the channel name could have been changed recently or it could really be someone named Stephanie doing this.
 

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The account being from 2013 makes me uncertain. This could be Olly's long time running go-to-alias, the channel name could have been changed recently or it could really be someone named Stephanie doing this.
This is interesting. Most interesting is the people the channel is following. SNL firstly is very on the nose, but the rest? Tyler Oakley, Ingrid Nilsen, Zoella, Tanya Burr, Bethany Mota. These channels all hit their peak around the time the account was created and have certainly long since fallen from relevance. Aside from contra and PT of course… but Stephanie is subbed to no other breadtubers. This on the surface looks like an account that hasn’t been used regularly to watch YouTube for years.

However if you check the profile card from their comment on PT live, you’ll see they’ve made 22 comments on Olly’s livestream channel alone. I’d say that this is an account uniquely interested in PT. Which definitely is a feature in common with snl825
 
He did actually address this during the livestream, I'm not going to type it out but here's the timestamp.

As for another interesting livestream moment, here's him recounting a moment from his breakup with Nyk (transcript might be off because I'm writing this based only on the subtitles): "I bought Versace only once... It was a Christmas present, I bought a Versace jumper for a then girlfriend. That was big money, like it was a big big present. She loved Versace, top to bottom she loved it. So I got her this big big big present like 'hey I love you a whole lot'. I mean I used to love to spoil her. So yeah I got this Versace jumper and I had to order it quite far in advance, and she dumped me. So I was like hey even though we just broke up well there's a Versace jumper in the post- do you want to just return that? I made her return it and I got that money back."
Sigma male moment. This technically confirms that they were dating late 2018-late 2019, for anyone that didn't trust extranny456.
getting an ex to return a present that you've already bought is micey as shit, lol.
how passive aggressive is the response to video critisism, lol. "if people wanna Yes And it, thats fine..''
 
This is interesting. Most interesting is the people the channel is following. SNL firstly is very on the nose, but the rest? Tyler Oakley, Ingrid Nilsen, Zoella, Tanya Burr, Bethany Mota. These channels all hit their peak around the time the account was created and have certainly long since fallen from relevance. Aside from contra and PT of course… but Stephanie is subbed to no other breadtubers. This on the surface looks like an account that hasn’t been used regularly to watch YouTube for years.
I'd consider Mia Mulder and Intelexual Media BreadTube-adjacent as well. It's true that Stephanie L is subscribed to a lot of old school channels, but they're also following Khadija Mbowe, The Urban Rescue Ranch, and My Little Thought Tree, who blew up in the last couple of years. I don't think the subscriptions are suspicious in themselves — lots of regular YouTube users don't bother to prune them.
However if you check the profile card from their comment on PT live, you’ll see they’ve made 22 comments on Olly’s livestream channel alone. I’d say that this is an account uniquely interested in PT. Which definitely is a feature in common with snl825
This is interesting.

YouTube doesn't let you pull up all comments from a given user, but the profile card shows the beginnings of the last two comments:
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So I searched for the full comments on those two videos and found the following chains. Note that replies are displayed in reverse chronological order.
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That last chain sets off alarm bells. The dashes typed like " - ". The invocation of "us women." The talking about "Abi" in such familiar tones. Plus the rage in the first comment about ingrate TERFs who fail to recognize what a champion Abi has been for marginalized women. Fascinating, right?

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This is interesting.

YouTube doesn't let you pull up all comments from a given user, but the profile card shows the beginnings of the last two comments:
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So I searched for the full comments on those two videos and found the following chains. Note that replies are displayed in reverse chronological order.

That last chain sets off alarm bells. The dashes typed like " - ". The invocation of "us women." The talking about "Abi" in such familiar tones. Plus the rage in the first comment about ingrate TERFs who fail to recognize what a champion Abi has been for marginalized women. Fascinating, right?

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Isn't that nonsensical tat about wanting to be a wife/sister/mother/daughter rather than the male equivalents an exact argument that "snl825" made? I'm almost sure of it.
 
Some comments on the livestream.

35:12 someone leaves a $500.00 super chat (donation) and Olly puts on a big show over it. It’s very disingenuous. Then he says, “I think half of it goes to YouTube, anyway…”. The message of the superchat is in another language so he doesn’t bother to read it. (Like he couldn’t easily translate it with google.) Then he says at 36:30 “speaking of giving…” and launches into the domestic violence tweet and resulting controversy. Then he dissolves into hysterical fits of (disingenuous) laughter over the woman who allegedly said “we shouldn’t let him get away with this.” Olly compares his donation to helping an old lady across the street. It’s so obnoxious and fake. Like it’s so hard to wrap your mind around the fact that someone would oppose a donation to an organization they don’t fully support and that is very political in their aims? Like, it’s not hard to wrap your head around that dude. It doesn’t matter that you are are donating to a political cause under the guise of “charity.” But Olly goes on and on. He says “imagine being SUCH a British cis woman that you oppose giving money to charity.” His hatred of real British women is so obvious. I don’t see how Britishness fits in to it but Olly sure does.

At 43:30 he does an obnoxious semi name drop about a “reasonably quite famous man in Britain” who came to Olly’s dinner party and who says he liked the stupid cake Olly’ baked. The point was that people enjoyed the cake but he slid an obnoxious semi-brag in to it. He doesn’t actually name the person though, which is also obnoxious. Tee hee hee.

At 47:40 he starts HYSTERICAL laughing over the fact that they moved the Nigella cut out around and were basically acting silly with it. He lets out an enormous guffaw that sounds utterly deranged.

Around 54::40 he talks about a piece of fan art where a slinky “Abi” emerges from that Cosmonaut suit. I’m only mentioning it because Olly says something about how great the “titties” in it look and it’s gross. And by the way, I don’t even know what that cosmonaut shit is about but I’m sick of hearing about it.

At 56:40 a (deluded) commenter says that they like to watch PT because it helps them better understand their trans daughter. Once again Olly puts on an enormous narcissistic show, first saying that’s “cool as hell” but then feigning like he’s holding back tears. It goes on for some time. He intimates or sort of pantomimes crying but of course can’t produce any tears. You literally see him trying though.

At 59:00 he does this disgusting “sexy” stretch. Seems very artificial. He mentions that his legs hurt because he’s been working out. Then he gets a text from that degenerate freak “Alice” (the faux Muslim tranny.) I gather “Alice” is Olly’s BFF at this point. Which is telling since they only met(?) thru their degenerate Twitter trans circles. Alice texts him several times throughout the stream. This time sending the “lesbian flag.” Someone earlier had mentioned the “bisexual lighting” and Olly changes it to “lesbian lighting, because that would be more appropriate at this point.” Which I find confusing cause if doofus cis tryhard Olly came out as bi a few years back, wouldn’t “Abigail” be bi as well?

1:06:30 he lets loose with two disgusting sneezes. Of course they are booming earth-shattering ones. He tries to do like a uptalk inflection at the end of each of them to feminize them. Achooooo-ah, Achoooo-ah. He says in his most laydee voice, excuse me, I’ve got the sneeze-elles.” Which, the enormous blasts he lets out are not “sneeze-elles.”

At around 1:19:00 he says he took three days off in Romania but ended up writing a “60 page pilot” for a show. And basically how he discovered his talent for screenwriting. He presents this as “look how hard I work.” Which I hate people like that. “Busy” with their non existent talents and projects. Don’t LARP as a screenwriter when we all know you are a professional grifter and skinwalker.

It still cracks me up to imagine “Abigail” turning up on location with these other, probably young and attractive actors. Maybe their flirting or hooking up with one another and there’s “Abigail” trans princess extraordinaire. I’m sure they are all woke assholes who play the trans women are women game, but still, it’s funny to think how (literally) odd MAN out Olly is.

He says at 8:50 that that stupid girl boss character has “literally bars” behind her. (Aka, window panes.) But Olly highlights this. Much meta, so symbolic.

He mentions at 11:00 that he DMd (that fucking retard) Hasan Piker, reaching out after he was allegedly doxed. I mention it cause though he feigns disinterest in the goings on of Twitch and YouTube, you can tell he was attempting to ingratiate himself with Hasan and of course thereby his audience. Always on the make our trans princess.

At 19:00 he talks more about the girl boss character - he says he deliberately gave her driver, gardener, assistant, etc. “black names.” As some commentary on her obliviousness I guess. I just find it pretty awkward. Sort of like when Kelly Osbourne infamously said “who is going to clean your toilet?” I mean plenty of leftists would be like, what do you mean, BLACK names? What are BLACK names? Etc.” I don’t care, I just think Olly should shut his mouth on race because he says the dumbest shit imaginable and for someone terrified of being cancelled he should stay in his troon lane.

At 24:50 he talks about how short and low cut the girl boss outfit was, he says it would be “very, very easy to, like, flash someone…” lol. He’s not joking, he said the outfit gave “cautious energy.” “Yeaaaah, I enjoyed that.” I bet you did.

At 27:10 he claims someone messaged him from an eating disorder ward in hospital. He does his breathy, faux humble routine again, like he’s about to cry. But of course doesn’t. He’s just highlighting the POWAH of Philosophy Tube. He says “that’s what it’s all about.” Yeah, okay. 🙄

Anyway, that’s all I got for now.

And here’s Exhibit A of Olly’s raging narcissism.

Mia: Ask Anything!

Olly: How did MY coming out as the trans princess of terf island make you feel?

Like, could you not die from the secondhand embarrassment? We have to do an intervention for Olly his narcissism is really just TOO MUCH.
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Isn't that nonsensical tat about wanting to be a wife/sister/mother/daughter rather than the male equivalents an exact argument that "snl825" made? I'm almost sure of it.
Yeah, I remember that too.

Just discovered that I can pull up more of Stephanie L's comments using this site by searching for "Stephanie L" through all videos on the Philosophy Tube channel. Unfortunately the searches aren't archivable, but I've attached a PDF with the full results. Warning: it's fucking long and I'm not reading all of it. Also the search service only shows the last 10 replies made for each comment, so sometimes Stephanie L's reply gets pushed out of view by newer ones. Sorry about that.

A few interesting ones:
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This appears to be Stephanie's first comment on the channel, left below The Philosophy of Antifa on June 14 2020.

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Effusive praise from the jump.

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Stephanie claims Turner Syndrome days later in response to a ~transphobic comment. This is definitely the same character as snl825. Note the subtly British quality of their diction: "I've not seen trans people deny that." An American would say "I haven't."

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They say pretty early on that they're vegan. Naturally, they use their own veganism to defend PT from vegan criticism — just as they use their womanhood to defend PT from accusations of misogyny. But they sound more like a real person talking about this stuff than they ever do on Twitter.

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They claim to be 31 years old, with possible ADHD.

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And they claim to work for a nonprofit "doing organizing of independent media for low-income and working people."



Stephanie L also has a history of comments on the ContraPoints channel, though they aren't nearly as engaged with Contra as with PT.
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This is the earliest I can find: a July 28, 2020 comment shilling for Olly, naturally. It's been 1.5 months since they discovered him, and they've already singled out one video as "the one I go back to the most"? Hmm.



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  • Of the channels they're subscribed to, this Stephanie L account has never commented on: vlogbrothers, Tanya Burr, Zoella, Emma Blackery, Bethany Mota, CrashCourse, Mia Mulder, Katy Montgomerie, Khadija Mbowe, EmilyChesher, My Little Thought Tree, EcoholicBeauty, holistic habits, Ty Talks, and probably more but I'm tired of searching.
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  • Twice on a privileged vegan:
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  • Once very long ago on Tyler Oakley:
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  • And left four absolute text walls on Channel Awesome but I'm not screenshotting them all because damn:
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TLDR: I don't know. Stephanie L = snl825 for sure. Everything beyond that... it's just such a long history, with lots of old and specific biographical details. On the one hand, their obsession with PT is outrageously intense, with no apparent precedent in fannish energy for anyone else. Suspicious. On the other, who'd make up those bits about a Jewish paternal family and a dad's house in Vermont and endless walls of text about veganism? (I can't tell if the musical theater speaks either way — PT hasn't mentioned Hamilton as far as I know, but he's included some songs from musicals in his videos.)

If it's a con, it's a long one, but if it's real, it's deranged. I've gawked at crazy fans before, and I've never seen anyone put in this much work defending and parroting their fave for so little payoff.
 

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Wow incredible! I’ve wondered about “SNL” because I swear I saw Olly mention wanting to audition for the show, or that if he lived in NYC he could audition, or that it would be cool to be the first trans cast member. I don’t remember where it was though.

Then again I guess SNL are likely “Stephanie’s” initials? Maybe Olly hires people to comment or something? Or maybe he was well and truely losing his shit circa the summer of 2020 with lockdowns and spent his days being “Stephanie.”

On the comment about Marxism Stephanie says, “he was using his own working experiences as a framing mechanism, but that framing device was used only to get at the bigger points of Marxist labor theory that he was discussing.” Which wow you have a lot of insight in to his thought process…. It also sounds very similar to the pretentious way Olly describes his process in the live streams.

And regarding the veganism it seems Stephanie is actually not vegan - she says she still has dairy and eggs. And Olly was also cutting way back but still having occasional non vegan meals. Definitely sounds like Stephanie is Olly…but yeah inconsistencies as well.
 
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Or maybe he was well and truely losing his shit circa the summer of 2020 with lockdowns and spent his days being “Stephanie.”

I wouldn't put it past him. His own AGP-fueled victim-Lap wifey.

Also, what kind of fucking idiot says they're vegan before admitting they drink milk. Those things literally exclude each other. Typically Olly, wants the woke points, but doesn't want to work for it. One of the many reasons why I'd be surprised if he'd ever shave parts of his face off.
 
Yeah, I remember that too.

Just discovered that I can pull up more of Stephanie L's comments using this site by searching for "Stephanie L" through all videos on the Philosophy Tube channel. Unfortunately the searches aren't archivable, but I've attached a PDF with the full results. Warning: it's fucking long and I'm not reading all of it. Also the search service only shows the last 10 replies made for each comment, so sometimes Stephanie L's reply gets pushed out of view by newer ones. Sorry about that.

A few interesting ones:
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This appears to be Stephanie's first comment on the channel, left below The Philosophy of Antifa on June 14 2020.

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Effusive praise from the jump.

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Stephanie claims Turner Syndrome days later in response to a ~transphobic comment. This is definitely the same character as snl825. Note the subtly British quality of their diction: "I've not seen trans people deny that." An American would say "I haven't."

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They say pretty early on that they're vegan. Naturally, they use their own veganism to defend PT from vegan criticism — just as they use their womanhood to defend PT from accusations of misogyny. But they sound more like a real person talking about this stuff than they ever do on Twitter.

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They claim to be 31 years old, with possible ADHD.

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And they claim to work for a nonprofit "doing organizing of independent media for low-income and working people."



Stephanie L also has a history of comments on the ContraPoints channel, though they aren't nearly as engaged with Contra as with PT.
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This is the earliest I can find: a July 28, 2020 comment shilling for Olly, naturally. It's been 1.5 months since they discovered him, and they've already singled out one video as "the one I go back to the most"? Hmm.



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  • Of the channels they're subscribed to, this Stephanie L account has never commented on: vlogbrothers, Tanya Burr, Zoella, Emma Blackery, Bethany Mota, CrashCourse, Mia Mulder, Katy Montgomerie, Khadija Mbowe, EmilyChesher, My Little Thought Tree, EcoholicBeauty, holistic habits, Ty Talks, and probably more but I'm tired of searching.
  • They've commented twice on SNL:
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  • Twice on a privileged vegan:
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  • Once very long ago on Tyler Oakley:
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  • And left four absolute text walls on Channel Awesome but I'm not screenshotting them all because damn:
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  • They ring pretty true as a fan of musical theater, with lots of old comments on this subject:
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TLDR: I don't know. Stephanie L = snl825 for sure. Everything beyond that... it's just such a long history, with lots of old and specific biographical details. On the one hand, their obsession with PT is outrageously intense, with no apparent precedent in fannish energy for anyone else. Suspicious. On the other, who'd make up those bits about a Jewish paternal family and a dad's house in Vermont and endless walls of text about veganism? (I can't tell if the musical theater speaks either way — PT hasn't mentioned Hamilton as far as I know, but he's included some songs from musicals in his videos.)

If it's a con, it's a long one, but if it's real, it's deranged. I've gawked at crazy fans before, and I've never seen anyone put in this much work defending and parroting their fave for so little payoff.
do people with adhd write 5000 word comment essays every day?
i don’t know, she’s got a screw loose in some respect tho.

that comment about knowing about poor /working class people was grim lmao.
so, a posh cunt.
i think this is just some nut. maybe they are actual mates with him now and he has them out like flying monkey style.
someone that effusive would DEF write to him personally and he would lap it up.
so yeah i reckon she’s got a lot of his actual lines of defense verbatim from him, then gets trusted with the liscence to improvise.
shame, i preferred my ‘using a murdered girls facebook picture’ theory way more.
 
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