Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Kramer on the phone]

While we're on the projections:

Britain is fucked.

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there's another one of these? the numbers don't add up, how can global military budget by 1.2 trillion if i declines by 700 billion from 1.7 trillion? same issue with GDP, and world population.

 

[Protistology]

there's another one of these? the numbers don't add up, how can global military budget by 1.2 trillion if i declines by 700 billion from 1.7 trillion? same issue with GDP, and world population.

You can click through the countries here: https://archive.md/mQULH

Russia also makes a big jump upwards.

 

[tehpope]

I had that page in my history; funny enough it's gone from Deagal now - just like the "Database Unavailable" message on the Bureau of Labor Statistics page right after his speech touting his job creation numbers. Luckily a kiwi over in the Biden thread got the screenshot.

It's definitely an information war on this prison planet.

About that. I posted that screencap. The info is still on the site. The link I posted was a bad one. I fixed it.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before truth puts on its boots"

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I just read a very interesting report that had some data taken from University of Rochester Medical Center and others about some interesting reviews of "imprinting" with Covid-19.

I had myself wondered why the government went with mRNA technology so quickly when a common produced vaccine seemed like the way to go.

We were told speed was of the essence, but this data suggests something else was a foot. Moreover, they knew it but said nothing - probably because most of the public would have been confused by it - shit I still am but I am getting my head around it.

The data is suggesting that those that get a regular vaccine and/or are exposed to a natural infection are more likely going to suffer from imprinting and their immune systems will stop being very effective against Covid mutations.

Whereas with the vaccines using mRNA instead what will happen is that efficacy will drop, but updated mRNA vaccines with new coding will restore high levels of immunity - the reason is that the mRNA vaccine is having the immune system develop in a different way, whereas natural infection or using a "dead virus" exposes the persons immune system to another region of the virus that can be responsible for "imprinting" and thus the different anti-bodies do in fact differ.

So a vaccine using mRNA does impart something a "regular" vaccine or exposure does not - but what it is imparting is an omission rather than commission to prevent imprinting.

I'll try to read more on it to get a better grasp of the mechanisms at play, but it it beginning to paint a picture of why some countries were so ready to go ahead with mRNA - they were told something probably in confidence that couldn't be told to the public about the nature of the mRNA and why they should opt in on it versus a regular vaccine.

What's more likely:
A) COVID is some magical new virus that breaks all the rules of biology, and that the government loves all of us blue collar plebs (especially the 'deplorable' heartlanders) so much that they rushed forward a new technology but kept us in the dark about COVID's magical powers for our own good.
OR
B) COVID is just another coronavirus and we are ruled by incompetent boomers?

Panic

I believe thats one of the ways AIDS exhausts the immune system. Continual attack...eventually your immune system stop caring.

Only the mutations here are happening outside the body

No, no, no.


HIV/AIDS is a Retrovirus, so an RNA virus but one that uses a specialized protein called reverse-transcriptase to basically back-write its own RNA into DNA (therefore allowing to act as a permanent DNA virus rather than a temporary RNA virus).
DNA viruses and Retroviruses basically hijack the bodies cells, but keep them alive, turning the cells into living virus factories (rather than RNA viruses which kill ("lyse") the cell but burst out multiple viral particles). Additionally, a cell infected by DNA/Retroviruses can also undergo cellular reproduction, where the newly dived cell will also be infected.

HIV attacks the immune system because its target cells are LITERALLY T-cells and phagocyte/white blood cells. So its literally attacking and disabling the cells meant to fight against infected cells and eat bacteria or other pathogens.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Yes but in theory your immune

What's more likely:
A) COVID is some magical new virus that breaks all the rules of biology, and that the government loves all of us blue collar plebs (especially the 'deplorable' heartlanders) so much that they rushed forward a new technology but kept us in the dark about COVID's magical powers for our own good.
OR
B) COVID is just another coronavirus and we are ruled by incompetent boomers?


No, no, no.


HIV/AIDS is a Retrovirus, so an RNA virus but one that uses a specialized protein called reverse-transcriptase to basically back-write its own RNA into DNA (therefore allowing to act as a permanent DNA virus rather than a temporary RNA virus).
DNA viruses and Retroviruses basically hijack the bodies cells, but keep them alive, turning the cells into living virus factories (rather than RNA viruses which kill ("lyse") the cell but burst out multiple viral particles). Additionally, a cell infected by DNA/Retroviruses can also undergo cellular reproduction, where the newly dived cell will also be infected.

HIV attacks the immune system because its target cells are LITERALLY T-cells and phagocyte/white blood cells. So its literally attacking and disabling the cells meant to fight against infected cells and eat bacteria or other pathogens.

Yes but in theory your immune system is inexhaustible and it does fight HIV very effectively in the first few years of infection. In fact some northern european types are completely immune to HIV.

At some point the immune system throws in the towel for most people when realistically it could keep up the fight.

I believe the term is immune exhaustion

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Yes but in theory your immune system is inexhaustible and it does fight HIV very effectively in the first few years of infection. In fact some northern european types are completely immune to HIV.

At some point the immune system throws in the towel for most people when realistically it could keep up the fight.

I believe the term is immune exhaustion

Yeah but in HIV it has more to do with the virus slowly but permanently turning your body's defenses useless, and not "repeated attacks".
Immune exhaustion also happens in some cancers when the killer T-cells get clogged up with surface proteins and get mixed-signals from marker T-cells unsure if the cancer cells are "infected" or "normal".

In any case, it has nothing to with the virus evolving outside the body.

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

Covid vaccine passports scrapped for winter by Boris Johnson

Boris Johnson will announce this week that he is scrapping plans that would have required vaccine passports for entry to nightclubs, cinemas and sports grounds.

t.co

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[Fliddaroonie]

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Covid vaccine passports scrapped for winter by Boris Johnson

Boris Johnson will announce this week that he is scrapping plans that would have required vaccine passports for entry to nightclubs, cinemas and sports grounds.

t.co

Covid vaccine passports scrapped for winter by Boris Johnson | News |…

archived 12 Sep 2021 10:33:42 UTC

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The scare mongering involving them served it's purpose - it put the idea into people's minds, there will be REEEEEtards who wanted it and will be sad that it won't come to pass (yet). There will be angry people who got the vaccine thinking they'd "need" it, and will feel aggrieved against those who didn't have it.


It won't happen yet, but this is at best a Pyrrihic victory, and it will come to pass at some point unless people vote out the Tories and Labour, as both are different sides of the same shit-covered coin.

 

[Billy Beer]

I didn't expect them to bin it off this quick, but a win is a win. IF the vax pass makes a return, i think it will be more like 'fast-pass' or 'priority boarding' kind of affair. Where those who were jabbed get some sort of benefit, rather than those who weren't jab suffering consequences.

For example, if Glastonbury sells their tickets to those who were jabbed, same with footy matches, Cinemas and Bars doing 'jabbed only' nights, like singles nights etc.

On the banter front, it gives us brits more ammo against the yankees. "Have you got a loicense for that?" "No, but have you got a vax pass for that? In the 'land of the free'?"

 

[WonderWino]

The scare mongering involving them served it's purpose - it put the idea into people's minds, there will be REEEEEtards who wanted it and will be sad that it won't come to pass (yet). There will be angry people who got the vaccine thinking they'd "need" it, and will feel aggrieved against those who didn't have it.


It won't happen yet, but this is at best a Pyrrihic victory, and it will come to pass at some point unless people vote out the Tories and Labour, as both are different sides of the same shit-covered coin.

On that note.....

 

[MadStan]

Yeah but in HIV it has more to do with the virus slowly but permanently turning your body's defenses useless, and not "repeated attacks".
Immune exhaustion also happens in some cancers when the killer T-cells get clogged up with surface proteins and get mixed-signals from marker T-cells unsure if the cancer cells are "infected" or "normal".

In any case, it has nothing to with the virus evolving outside the body.

I'd really like a virologist to chime in here.

My concern is that if imprinting does occur through exposure; then is a vaccine still effective post-natural infection? Or is it always stuck with its bias from the original virus?

I.E. As the mRNA vaccine only addresses one area of the virus, therefore would exposure to the natural virus prevent the vaccine from producing good Antibodies because it has been imprinted with the original true virus?

I do not see any links or data to studies on those who have had the virus exposure; and then the vaccine post.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

On that note.....

I've a good friend whose elderly Mother went to get the "vaccines". She said the whole centre was like an abattoir, and she walked out after they ignored her question about potential side-effects, and went to carry on giving her the vaccine. She said they didn't even answer her properly at all, and that was her done with it all.

She's in her 80s, and had Coof back in March, a few weeks after going for the vaccine. Felt a bit crappy for a few days, recovered well, and is fine now. Good for her.

 

[Lina Colorado]

In the news here: people are ending up in the hospital since the measures and curfew were lifted in the bars and cafe's.
Because they end up drinking so much, they get alcohol poisoning... The emergency-lines are red-hot. Locking us down for almost 2 years does this of course. These people think the "war" is over and drink themselves senseless.
I wonder if the branch covidians, who want the unvaxxed lepers to have their healthcare denied, think about drunks overwhelming the ICU's.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

I didn't expect them to bin it off this quick, but a win is a win. IF the vax pass makes a return, i think it will be more like 'fast-pass' or 'priority boarding' kind of affair. Where those who were jabbed get some sort of benefit, rather than those who weren't jab suffering consequences.

I wonder if the way the French protest go currently might have forced them to step back for now?

 

[teriyakiburns]

I didn't expect them to bin it off this quick

I kind of did. I mean I expected some sort of abrupt change of plan, because Boris has less impulse control than a sugar-hyped toddler in a room full of balloons. The only thing he does consistently is change his mind.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

For the cultists in the US that want me to get the vaxx, I would like to have the following simple questions answered:

1. Why are people that are getting the vaccine still getting COVID? Seriously, I've talked to three people who have gotten sick from COVID with pretty heavy symptoms (none of them hospitalized and all survived), all of them got the shots. The people I know that are unvaxxed either haven't gotten it or at the very least, haven't shown any symptoms. Why is that happening? Also, why is the most vaxxed country (Israel) in the world having a huge surge in COVID cases?
2. COVID has a >99.5% survivability rate, and those dying from it are 1) Senior Citizens and 2) Have some other health issue like obesity, diabetes, or the like. I do not fall into any of those categories, in the last 18 months, the most severe symptoms I've gotten from any sickness is a runny nose that lasted two days. I've been to the gym, to restaurants, and even out of state and I'm not dead yet and the people I know and love that are in the danger categories are vaccinated. So explain to me why I should be so concerned about this?
3. The director of the CDC said last year that masks are more effective than vaccines (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/16/cdc...ore-protection-than-coronavirus-vaccine-.html). If that is the case, then as long as I wear my mask everywhere I go, I should be okay then, right?
4. If this is about controlling the virus and not some kind of weird power game by our government, then why are other methods of treating the virus being ignored and discouraged? India and Japan are using ivermectin, and Trump was treated with hydroxychloroquine and made a full recovery fairly quickly. I mean if we had multiple treatments and/or cures for cancer or AIDS, we'd be using them all and not just one, right?
5. The thing I keep hearing nowadays is that the vaccine makes the symptoms of COVID less severe (which opens a whole door about it not being a very good vaccine, but whatever). We also know now that vaccinated people are still spreading COVID. My question is, if their symptoms are less severe, how am I, a dirty unvaxxed, a significant threat to them? Aren't they are more of a threat to me?
6. What is the acceptable level level of vaccination for us to get back to normal? I've heard 50%, 70%, and Fauci flat out dodged the question when asked about it. Can our government please commit to a an acceptable level because let me tell you, 100% is not going to happen (unless they start murdering the unvaxxed which at this point, I'm afraid to give them ideas).

 

[Salubrious]

Leaked hospital staff Zoom meeting that will make your blood fucking boil:

https://twitter.com/TeresaFreeThink/status/1436737793783390208

Teresa AnnMarie on Twitter: "National File has obtained a recording o…

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Pretty much what I expected in the first comment.

"We NEED to lie so people will start taking COVID more seriously! There are conspiracy theorists out there that think we're lying to them." No hint of irony in those two sentences.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

On that note.....

Very good parody, too bad it didn't mention a word about HCQ and Ivermectin

 

[Billy Beer]

I wonder if the way the French protest go currently might have forced them to step back for now?

It might have been on the con list, for sure.

I kind of did. I mean I expected some sort of abrupt change of plan, because Boris has less impulse control than a sugar-hyped toddler in a room full of balloons. The only thing he does consistently is change his mind.

I expected them to try it on for October, maybe November, then bin it off in time for Xmas shopping.

I wonder if the economy really is in the toilet so much that it would have killed the UK. They've done an about turn on green and Amber lists as well. If they move to open the country in time for Xmas, we might see a big swell of tourism.

 

[mdrop22]

Leaked hospital staff Zoom meeting that will make your blood fucking boil:

When that grey haired cunt started talking I got the overwhelming urge to slap the fuck outta her. You know exactly what type of woman she is, an absolute nightmare to her family, friends, and any service workers unfortunate enough to be around her.

Here's another blood boiling video:
https://twitter.com/Alpha_Mind7/status/1436909683973951493?s=19

LADY AMINA on Twitter: "They’re firing nurses who didn’t get the j⍺b …

archived 12 Sep 2021 13:29:24 UTC

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Nurses in KY demand to be either allowed to work or be served termination papers. The hospital refuses and some snotty RN gives her fake happy attitude. The fat fuck security guard doesn't even bring up calling the police, because they know they're both wrong.

I knew shit like this would start happening. The fact is, they don't want to serve her term papers because 1) they know she cannot be barred from receiving state benefits, they are absolutely talking out their ass to scare people about this. Even going so far as to say you'd be barred from receiving FOOD STAMPS. LOL! They don't check shit for EBT recipients outside of criminal record and current income. They are not going to turn you away regardless of why you've been fired. They're full of it, don't let them tell you otherwise. HOWEVER, to apply for any benefits you must have proof of termination. This is almost always written, if it's not, good luck. You'll be waiting indefinitely while your local Unemployment office calls your former employer for proof. That employer can just not fuckin answer. It happened to a lot of people early in the pandemic. This hospital is attempting to punish these nurses by withholding state benefits, while also covering their own asses since every unemployment claim raises the taxes for their hospital next fiscal year.

And 2) they want to pressure nurses to come back in a few months. There are not enough nurses in the US, period. They cannot replace all these people. It will be a crisis. In upstate NY a hospital has stopped doing deliveries. What's next? This hospital claims they hired almost 200 NEW employees. I call bullshit, I bet the majority of traveling nurses.

Edit: Forgot to add, there is a lot of talk of replacing all these US nurses with immigrants. Literally flying in doctors from the Phillipines and shit. I'm good on all that, thank god I don't go to the hospital ever. I don't need some heavy accented, 3rd world educated foreigner lecturing me on vaccines. Sorry.