Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)
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Just remember for all the freaking the fuck out about Elder today, even if he wins, he'll be governor for like 14 months before another actual election.
All this sperging the fuck out we've been seeing is because their MIGHT be a black Republican governor for like a year before they reelect another Democrat.
All this sperging the fuck out we've been seeing is because their MIGHT be a black Republican governor for like a year before they reelect another Democrat.
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I was thinking “Midsommar”, but those could work too.
Also, I don’t think we’re “freaking the fuck out” about Elder in Cauliflower-nia. We’re focusing on something that’s turned into a Biden/Harris proxy war. Since nothing else is going on, we watch that unless the admin shits the bed again (give it a few days).
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"reeeee"
I have no fucking idea what goes on in the woods, but it doesn't seem like a whole lot.
This could work, this is an actual decent plan, except those farms are going to be the first thing they go for. That's why I was talking about the Special Forces, they are experienced in this exact field. They specifically, during the Troubles, killed off farmers who were friendly to the IRA and buried them in their own fields, or harassed them into selling up and giving their shit over to state-friendly owners. As far as I know, the USA doesn't have a specific military group who engage in outright illegal activities against their own civilians, whereas the UK does. On-the-ground espionage against their own citizens to arrest or kill potential rebels.
They will become terrorists themselves. They will either mimic the UK or take a shortcut and simply have the Brits do it under their watch, but it was so effective that the USA would be stupid not to do it.
You are 100% correct, the USA needs these rural areas entirely, that's why they will do everything they can to make sure those farms are protected and nobody can interfere with their power structure. They will set up checkpoints near to the dairy farms, and at best you could snipe some cows from a distance. They will pay local informers and do everything they possibly can to make sure that the American interior continues to serve the cities. They will terrorise your children in schools in the middle of fucking nowhere if they think it will keep the oil flowing. You are mistaken in believing that the USA will, in a civil war context, play fair. They will do every underhanded tactic to gain a victory, since it's literally life-or-death.
No, I'm on the IRA's side. I know how it happened. The British Army were vicious cunts. I don't want rural Americans to lose - I want these guys to actually win. But they are never going to win if they take the position of "Hide in the woods doing fuck-all" - any revolution needs to have people who can become a legitimate force that the people are willing to put their faith into. The Provos did that. You can't do that by hiding in the woods, or ignoring the tactics used by the USA's most experienced ally with it. If the USA faces a similar problem to the UK, they will ask the UK for help. The IRA won by influencing the 1997 election. This same election also gave rise to the extreme immigration we see today. The methods the UK used were too little to late to gain a victory, but it was a close call. By 1997, the SAB was the only significant force left in NI and they threw everything they had into bombing the fuck out of England itself, hoping that they could cost them enough to fuck them over politically - which it did, Blair promised peace and it worked, he won the election.
Everything the UK had been doing in the 90s had been win-after-win, sapping the IRA down until it threw a Hail Mary and won. The UK, and thus, the USA, know this - they will not waste time trying to police the country or "keep the peace" like the Paras did in the early 70s, they'll jump straight to the dirty shit.
I know what Americans are like, and you're right, it is a massive country with an enormous arsenal. But you're not superhuman beings of infallible judgement, and the state knows this. They will play every trick in the book - double agents, paying local criminals to sabotage operations. They will attack your ability to communicate and your ability to move. They can still provide the luxuries most Americans want. If they cannot find workers to pump the wells and milk the cows, they will find people who will. They will do what they can to prevent their supply chains being harmed, which, although in the interior, are mostly stationary facilities which can be defended. They may hate the Feds, but all they need to do is align themselves with some of the senior leaders of those state militias and they can then play them off against eachother.
Some of them are racist, others are not?
Well, false-flag some anti-black attacks and blame the white nationalists. The UK had a specific division for this, and it was somewhat effective once they learned how to properly imitate the UVF.
What? Why would the manufacture of thermite be the limiting factor? I was talking about somebody who would know how to do real damage with it, with significant experience in construction to know what would be effective. NYC being the home of the most influential backers of the state, it is the prime target for anybody who wants to force favourable negotiations - to put major firms into a position where they will say to politicians "We will back whoever makes this stop" - this is what pushed the IRA to the government of NI. The USA knows this and will have security on those buildings, alongside searching vehicles which get too close to
Depending entirely on the idea that the state is going to sit back and let their entire supply chain fall apart without trying to secure it is fucking retarded. They will bully, threaten or bribe the owners and managers until the entire internal infrastructure is run by "their guys" - Loyal to the state, not the people. This is why you need significant intelligence and people in the cities and enough power projection to make sure all of their money and manpower is spent on defending themselves in their own territory. The second you run away to the woods, you have sacrificed every piece of infrastructure in the interior. Privates on patrol can be replaced easily enough that the damage you could do with this "sit in the woods" shit is laughable. They won't even be sacrificing any critical infrastructure in rural areas. Farmers will either support the state or be killed and replaced with somebody who will - all it would take is one farmer in Idaho to offer to absorb his neighbour's property and work with the state, and suddenly, you don't need many farm owners.
This is all assuming the state will be intelligent, which is a stretch. What I'm getting at is that the USA will not simply bend over and take a firm dicking. The winning strategy isn't to simply hold the countryside and hope for the best, it's to consistently attack the most influential backers of the state until the state is forced to negotiate. There are a few ways of doing this, but the most obvious thing is you need to attack - you cannot win against a state by playing defense, you will fail and lose everything.
Attacking is the only winning strategy, everything else is just delaying your loss.
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I figure it would be the progressives that would do something that stupid. Some disillusioned Bernie Bro that bought into "we can drag Biden left" only to watch as Biden pulled progressive leadership to the right, Bernie's organization sell out to neo-liberals and the revolution betrayed by its leadership.
Progressives have the hubris and the lack of foresight to see that releasing evidence of election fraud would some how benefit them.
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Be the Santiago you wish to see in the world.
Here, let me help you:
Are Blue Dogs really 17-20% of the Democrat electorate? What's their demographic skew? White and old?
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The establishment makes up about 60%, Blue Dogs 17-20%, Progressives stay steady around 15%. The remaining 5-8% is more or less "Indeterimmate" with their scores skewing all over the place.
As for demographics, White and old basically summarizes most of politics, but in terms of the general populace no. The biggest determinator of them is location, with Democrats from more conservative areas likely to lean towards the group. Hence why they are so large.
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Elder will win because it benefits both sides. Black man instead of white man, proof of no 'election rigging', can use 14 months of fake news to prove he was shit and get him out in 2022.
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Elder winning doesn't prove a lack of election rigging, just insufficient election rigging. He is also motivated and ran on a program of dismantling a lot of what California Democrats need to maintain power and control. Additionally, it does a -massive- hit to an already woozy DNC's ability to keep control.
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One less area to worry about. If cal is already looking shitty for the dems, jettison it, then blame all the issues on repubs for the next 14 month. Lose the battle to win the war.
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.... If you are going to be -this- ignorant of basic American politics, maybe don't say anything.
California is literally -the- biggest Democrat stronghold in the nation, the place from which they pull the most votes, the biggest source of electoral college votes, the home of Silicon Valley, and the place basically all of their major corporations, monetary holdings, and important figuredheads are in.
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Universal ideas work because they're universal. Tsung Tsu's Art of War didn't just work in chinkland.
Exactly. And what do the left do when they're in power? They place themselves in positions of authority, precisely to be a pain in the arse for when the opposition gets in. I can't remember where i read it, maybe someone could help out, but the left have strategic goals of what to do when not in power. In some instances, it's more beneficial to NOT be in power, so that they can ruin those who are in power so badly, that they gain more power the next time. One step backwards, two steps forwards.
By your own admission, cali is full of dems. What success would a repub leader have, trying to bring in laws? Especially with all of the lobbying in American politics. Is Elder just a plant? Is he really going to shake up the status quo? Is he going to be black Trump? Will he bend over and take the e-cock from silicon valley?
For you to say that idea - one that has been used throughout time, the world over - is ignorant, is pretty arrogant of you.
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You know exactly nothing of how politics work, or the American system... do you. Right, lets just list -some- of the ways that he can fuck them over:
1: He controls the AG position, and can initiate lawsuits to his heart's content.
2: He can propose whatever propositions he wants to be put on the ballot.
3: He controls the purse strings, able to completely cut off legitimate funding
4: Incumbent. Advantage.
5: The California Governor has near unimpeded control in 'investigating' his political opponents.
That's just some of them. Governors have a lot of power, our system doesn't work like yours, if you are going to spout nonsense at least know that. Also, both parties have plans for what to do when not in power, but it always inevitably puts you in the weaker position. There is literally no benefit to being the losing party that being the winning party doesn't get you. That entire paragraph is literally nonsense, our system doesn't work like that, hell -your- system doesn't work like that. It's just more obfuscation to avoid admitting you said a stupid thing.
Addendum: And I idly realize this guy appeared after the last two sock trolls failed. And yup, limited profile view. I think we found another sock. First Message, September 7th. Wow, a brand new sock. Just for us? Aaaaw, how sweet~
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Dammit Mandrake!
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Don't use AI to help you. Don't post in AI threads. Don't acknowledge AI when it walks into a room.
These websites are a trap and steal mountains of your data.
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I'll admit, 100%, i know how nothing works. I don't know much about much but sometimes, more often than i should, i get things right. Not saying that's the case here, but my rainman-esque autism riddled brain seems to be able to do better than it should on paper. So i stick with the same train of thought that has worked in the past.
Him being able to do it and being able to do it, are two different things though, right? Out of the five, number 3. ain't happening. He isn't cutting funding to any major tech companies without being cancelled, or shot in the head by a white supremacist (wouldn't that be an interesting false flag? It won't happen, I'm just saying)
I've never in my life refused to admit i said something wrong. Humility is the quality the west is sorely missing nowadays and i believe in being the change i want to see.
Done another 40 hour shift or just lack coffee? Avi change and name change because of the lost bet. Good to know a name and pic swap allows one to disappear though
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I know Fauci's understanding of the law is on par with HHH or the average redditor'ss, but if the administration is serious about this, they're not just retarded, they're suicidal.
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I’m going to assume he means via airline because there is zero chance of this being enforced on all the roadways in America. The airlines have also been extremely hesitant to enact any mandates other than the masks. Any time this has been floated before, the airlines release statements about how this will not work and it would destroy their business. Fauci is just talking out his ass because he is losing relevance and he likes the attention he’s received over the past year and a half.
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Huh, fascinating. Your name doesn't bring up any of the posts that you did as Hymen Hive, but going back says it is you. Well then, apologies for the undeserved hostility, I thought you were another sock puppet. Hence my continued snark towards you since I am several bottles in and don't go back to work till Thursday.
Well, as a bit of a mea culpa, to give a bit more of a serious response rather than the sheer snark.
There is no benefit to losing the seat, leaving aside the sheer wound it would be, right now there is nothing at all that they'd gain from it. Losing a position in the U.S. system holds no benefit. Since we don't have coalition parties, there's no leverage. You just outright lose any power you had. While it is possible to make life difficult, it's through things like the filibuster. California long since got rid of that. While they could theoretically make life difficult, they'd be doing it against anything he intends to pass... and in turn make themselves look like obstructionists. Making themselves -more- disliked hardly helps them. And it doesn't let them really gain anything. "Absence makes the heart grow fonder" only holds if everyone hates the new guy more, and short of pulling a Biden, Elder won't do that.
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Seriously, I don't usually rag on Null but disabling the "previously known as" function while still allowing people to change usernames at-will was a completely idiotic decision.
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No harm no foul. I was going to string it on a bit longer, seems as it's a quiet period but who needs to fight against another sock?
If cali is a dem a stronghold, what would that mean for any bill/law/etc that a repub tries to pass? Will it be blocked just because it's the other side?
On the flip-side, will the repubs use Elder as a 'token' black guy. "You can't be against this guy, he's black!" Will cries of racism work against the dem elite/voters?
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