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I mean... thats not just a caricature that "looks racist" or could be misrepresented as racist. Its straight up a remake of an actual black face caricature.

Whoever made that art for her was trying to fuck her over.
Racism is about intention in my book. And I don't see any.
I understand you speak of the 'new norm' especially at that cesspool that is twitter. Fuck that norm.
Since she had no idea, racism is only in the minds of those who would have wanted to be offended by the picture.
 
Much like the long wait to figure out who would be the first Holomen to unironically drop the N-Bomb on stream, we've finally reached the point where racial discourse of Sana has reached Twitter and Reddit and she can't ignore it. Longer than I expected, I must admit.

As for my thoughts on the matter: racial caricatures, identity politics, and social norms aside, that Sana redraw was fucking ugly and I'm really not at all sure what she was going for putting that on a thumbnail in the first place.
 
Much like the long wait to figure out who would be the first Holomen to unironically drop the N-Bomb on stream, we've finally reached the point where racial discourse of Sana has reached Twitter and Reddit and she can't ignore it. Longer than I expected, I must admit.

As for my thoughts on the matter: racial caricatures, identity politics, and social norms aside, that Sana redraw was fucking ugly and I'm really not at all sure what she was going for putting that on a thumbnail in the first place.
Maybe Sana was one of those lefties BLM. She think that since she has black avatar she will have a free N-word card permit.
 
Babe wake up, new vtuber/vtweeter drama. No idea who any of these people are but from the tweet replies it seems like the heckin innocent himbo was abusing his partner and animals. So did some digging and found the tweet to start the deep dive thinking it was gonna be "he cheated on me waaaah" and instead we got an actual POS if this is all true.
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Can't get a good archive of the google doc cause it cut off halfway into it and I don't really care enough to try and archive it properly the now. So gonna copy and paste the text into a spoiler so it doesn't become mucho texto and post screen shots that will also into a spoiler cause it has a few pictures, here is the doc here to read if you want.

TRIGGER WARNING: Abuse, Rape, Sex, Suicide Mentions, Cheating, Manipulation, Animal Death

Hi, before you begin to read this I do want to preface this by saying that writing about this makes me feel incredibly unstable so this won’t be the most sound sounding post. I am in therapy and on medication for PTSD because of Jin. He’s based his whole “brand” on being some sweet dorky man who cares so much for mental health when in reality he’s broken down women, and used women in order to achieve some sort of better self. Jin doesn’t get to sit there after breaking down multiple women, getting my cat killed, and then get to act like he’s a mental health advocate. No matter how much a person has “””changed””” it will never fix the damage that he has done to me and other women. There are so many women in his community that see him as some great guy when this is how he’s treated the women in his life.
I know there’s people out there that will read this and blame me and ask me why I didn’t leave sooner, I was Trauma Bonded. Below I’ll put a photo with a simple definition as to what Trauma Bonding really is.
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I started dating Jin when we were both 19 back at the end of 2016. I should have known this wasn’t going to be a good relationship from the start when on our first date he tried to get in my pants and I told him I only had sex with people I was dating and he then told me he loved me and asked me out. He manipulated me from Day 1 and I wish I had caught it earlier so I wouldn’t have had to suffer as much as I did but I was blindsided by how much I liked him.

Fast forward 3 months into our relationship, I caught Jin saving sexual pictures of girls on Facebook and Instagram, some of these included my friends. He also had liked a bunch of different Facebook pages called ‘Asian Girls Are the Best’ and a bunch of other Facebook pages where all they did was fetishize Asian women. Both of these things took a huge toll on my self esteem but I talked to him and he promised he’d never do it again.
About a month later, maybe even a few weeks, I caught a glimpse of a weird album on his phone. I don’t know how but I ended up being able to see what was on this album on his phone and it was a bunch of pictures of an Asian woman, seemingly posts of hers. Upon further investigation I found out that Jin had been catfishing as this woman on Twitter in order to flirt with girls without seeming creepy(I guess). I was absolutely disgusted and confronted him about this. I don’t exactly remember what happened but I know I ended up giving him a chance. He again promised never again.
During this whole time he would buy stickers with ahegao faces on them and put them on his car as well as a bunch of other sexual images of women on his car. I told him this made me upset seeing as he was literally openly sexualizing women proudly and displaying it on his car after using a woman to catfish especially. It was all so wrong. I don’t know how much time passed between then and this next event but he then decided to open up an online shop selling anime sex merch essentially, I told him this made me so so so anxious and he basically convinced me to let him keep this shop since he had no other way of making money. I remember sitting outside of my class having to calm myself from an anxiety attack when I found out. I later had to basically beg him to close it because at this point my anxiety was out the roof. I got so anxious about him watching porn as well because of how much he had already done at this point. Him watching porn only made me feel disgusting and more like an object. All I ever asked was for him to at least tell me if he did but he never did and I found him watching it over and over behind my back essentially.
At this point, I was having debilitating anxiety from the moment I woke up to the moment I could finally fall asleep. I started getting really scared that he would cheat on me and it literally was torture to be awake sometimes because of how scared I was KNOWING he was doing something behind my back. Every. Single. Time. when he was at his house he was doing something behind my back. He’d always say “I promise there’s nothing” “I promise I’ll never cheat on you” I remember that so vividly. He said that to me every week and every week there was something.
Every single time I brought up having a problem with something he was doing, to communicate, he would first stonewall me, then break up with me. This would send me into a frenzy of asking him “what’s wrong, what’s wrong, we can fix this, why don’t you tell me what’s wrong” while having to shove down my problem every time I caught him doing something behind my back. He was good at manipulating me into shutting up about what he had done.
Around this point I couldn’t have sex with him anymore, I was so broken inside and I felt like nothing but a sex object to him. He would constantly break up with me and say things like “I’m just not happy, we’re not having sex, I can’t live like this” guilt tripping me into having sex with him. I remember one day it was the night before a trip we were about to go on, I was getting my stuff ready on the floor and he decided to break up with me, again, I don’t know how many times he did it to me, and told me it’s because he wanted to have sex. Over and over, he guilt tripped me into having sex. It was excrusiating whenever we did have sex because I did not want it at all, and he would force his way in. There’s a stigma that it can’t be rape when you’re in a relationship but being manipulated into having sex that’s excrusiating that makes you feel like a toy and if not getting broken up with is not normal. I told him one day, that my previous ex had raped me, Jin told me wow that’s so sad now I understand you more, and then continued to force me to have sex with him through his various manipulation techniques. If it wasn’t penetrative sex it had to be oral. (I’m sorry that this is so TMI) This went on up until about the end of our relationship. 4 FUCKING YEARS.
Circling back, almost a year into our relationship, he tried to break up with me randomly and I felt it EVERYWHERE in my body that something was weird. My anxiety was so intense I threw up for the first time out of anxiety. I didn’t know my body could do that. I called him at night trying to talk to him and ask him why but while I was on call with him he was playing a game with a friend. I remember being in my closet so I wouldn’t wake up my parents with how hard I was crying, begging him literally to tell me why as he IGNORED ME and talked to his friend on his headset while I was on the phone. I remember this night so vividly because of how traumatizing and dehumanizing this felt. After begging for an hour he confessed he had opened another shop selling anime sex merch. This time he had paid various different sex worker cosplayers(no shame to them) to promote his shop and sent them a shirt. I thought that was it but we stayed broken up for that whole day, into the next, whereas normally we would get back together within an hour or 2. I looked at his Instagram of the shop and noticed something was weird about one of the girls, he was constantly tagging her in pictures and replying to her. The next day he sent me a message telling me we could get back together if we had more sex. That same day I got a message from that girl that he had been tagging, she knew me because she had been a fan of mine, basically sending me screenshots of Jin flirting, sexting, sending her gifts through Amazon, and was even planning a trip to visit her in Canada. He had cheated on me.
Jin told me he would get therapy, my body and head was screaming for me to please get out of the relationship but I was so Trauma Bonded I literally couldn’t get out of it. I gave him another chance.
Time went on and my anxiety was god awful and all he continued to do was want sex from me. When I would ask him for reassurance I remember him telling me “ Stop asking me for reassurance because it just reminds me of what I did and makes it hard for me” LOL. He shamed me for having anxiety because of his actions. He’d even break up with me because I couldn’t have sex with him anymore. I remember him one day asking me if I was asexual because I wasn’t having sex with him, making me question my sexuality. He literally gaslit me by trying to make the problem me and not what he had done to cause this.
I don’t know how much time passed between then and the next pretty big traumatic moment but while he was in the shower I noticed that he was getting phone calls from an unknown number. He mentioned to me that he thinks it was one of his past friends, we’ll call her “E”. I recognized E because before we got together he would flirt with her, DMing her, etc. He told me he didn’t know why she was calling. I told him to please not talk to her seeing as he had previously either had feelings for her or just wanted to stick his dick in her. He, yeah, you guessed it, promised he wouldn’t. About a week later, he confessed to me that he had been playing League with her for about 2 weeks behind my back. He also confessed that during one of their games she had told him “ I wish things had worked out between us back then so we could be in a relationship” while she also had a boyfriend at the time. The fact that Jin did all this, heard this from her, and continued to play with her, I believe he cheated on me a second time here.
The next thing he did was make ANOTHER twitter where he pretended to just be some random anime account. He was in the shower one day and I found myself blocked by some random Twitter user, I went on his phone, checked, and it was him. He would talk to girls and say they were so sexy and compliment them. I remember literally shaking having a meltdown while he just laid there and stared at me blankly. This was the night of my birthday. He broke up with me again.
If any of you ever wondered why Jin never had a Twitter or Instagram it’s because he literally could not be trusted to have social media without doing something fucked up.
He was so awful at communicating that one day he told me he wanted to take Molly(the drug) and I had to beg him not to. Knowing how he is as a person, and his mental state, I knew this drug would only make him do something stupid. He promised he wouldn’t do it. Next day I woke up to a message from him saying he did it. I come over to his house and he asks me if he can take another Molly, tells me he thinks it will really allow him to show me more love, since he was so bad at showing it. I was so deprived of his love I unwillingly said okay. He took another Molly that night and it fucked him up. I took care of him all night till the morning. He told me he was so thankful to have me and that he loved me. The next day after he felt better he broke up with me. I later found out from Kida that he had sent her a message saying that if I wasn’t there he would have killed himself. Haha
He got therapy AGAIN and things seemed to get better, but consistently would still stonewall me and then break up with me every time I tried to communicate with him.
This year he finally broke up with me.
I had to stay at his house for 2 weeks while I figured my things out. He says he’s changed but he hasn’t. He says he advocates for mental health but he’s just trying to trick himself that he does. During these two weeks I told him I felt suicidal. I rarely ever feel suicidal. This feeling was intense. I knocked on his door and asked if he could just sit with me because I was scared. He told me he couldn’t because he had to take someone to their therapy session. I later come to find out they’re now dating. (It’s not his partners fault)
He says he cares for mental health but after I FIXED HIM, AFTER HE BROKE ME DOWN WHILE I NURTURED HIM INTO SOMEONE WHO CAN PRETEND TO BE A GOOD PERSON, I tell him I feel suicidal after all he did and he left me hanging. I had to knock again and tell him I really needed someone and only then did he sit with me.
I asked him to please help me pay for therapy, the therapy I’ve been in for almost 2 years now trying to fix what he did to me, and he told me “Like, I feel bad but I can’t help you anymore now that we’re not together” ONLY AFTER I told him that us breaking up doesn’t absolve him of what he did did he send me $100 for therapy. I had to ask 2 more times after that. He gave me a total of $300 for therapy. I’ve spent around $5,000 on therapy.
I asked him to please not hang out with the new person he had been hanging out with because we had BARELY broken up and it was adding so much and he promised he wouldn’t. He did.

During the time that I had been with him he got a cat who then had babies. One passed away, and one survived. He was born in my hands and I named him Bones after my favorite Animal Crossing villager who meant a lot to me. I had to fight to have Bones be an indoor cat in Jins house because of the way his family is. Bones had NEVER gone outside. We discovered that Bones’s mom had a disease that could be passed down to him so we did labs on him to check. Jin couldn’t even call to get the results because he “got distracted” He had been playing video games. While I had been worried sick on the phone crying with my mom scared to lose him. It was always me noticing he had problems. Never Jin. Bones was the love of my life, I’ve never loved any pet like that. After we broke up, I couldn’t take Bones to my house because I have two cats at my house. I live with my parents, I tried so hard to have Bones here but I just couldn’t. ALL I ASKED OF JIN WAS TO TAKE CARE OF BONES. Every time I had to message him I told him PLEASE TAKE CARE OF BONES, I even messaged his girlfriend to please take care of Bones and not hurt him since he likes to scratch. How embarrassing. I told Jin I was coming back in a year to get Bones when I graduate and get an apartment. To just take care of him until then, to not block me so that I can get Bones. I took more classes than usual this semester so I could graduate sooner JUST SO I COULD GET BONES. I’d lie awake in bed and cry imagining picking him up and taking him home. He was my baby, he was everything to me.
I asked Jin for a picture of Bones one day and he sent me a video of him, outside. Bones was an indoor cat all his life, and was always very docile when presented with other cats. I told Jin to never let him go outside again. NEVER. To promise me to keep him indoors because it’s not safe. Jin promised. I should have known.
About a month ago, Jin sent me a message saying he let Bones go outside and he had been missing for 2 weeks, believing that he was eaten by a Coyote. This was of course, after letting his discord know that he had lost his cats and that he was ever so sad. He wanted pity first before even telling me. He said it was hard to tell me, I could have helped look for him. Jin got Bones killed due to his own negligence. WHY WOULD YOU LET AN INDOOR CAT OUTSIDE WHEN JIN KNEW HE HAD COYOTES OUTSIDE.
Jin was negligent and got him killed. He told me he was watching Bones whenever he was outside but how the fuck does a coyote come and eat a cat right in front of you if you were watching him? Another lie. I have never been closer to suicide than I have been EVER in my life than this past month I have no other way to see Bones than to believe that if I die I will see him. I feel as if it’s my fault for staying with someone so horrible. He’ll never know how much I loved him, it feels like all my dreams are dead. All of this could have been avoided if Jin had just left him indoors.
Jin tries to make it a point in his streams to be better every day just so he can convince himself that he’s changed and make everyone who blindly thinks he’s a good person make him feel better. Just this year I told him his actions made me suicidal and he didn’t care. He is not the person he pretends to be. He broke me down as a person, while the person you see now is an illusion. I spent 4 years trying so hard to fix him while he only destroyed me as a person. He has a vent channel in his discord where he would always try his best to fix people’s problems, while I would literally be behind him in bed miserable because of him. After we broke up in his discord he posted “Sorry I haven’t been very active here, my ex gf told me “These people will never do what I did for you”” As a way to paint me out to be some bad guy. Of course he got the pity party he wanted, and it’s come to my attention that the few people that knew we were dating now think I’m the bad guy. The context of me saying that was me saying I FIXED HIM and took all the pain to make him who he can pretend to be today and he manipulates me and breaks up with me when I try to tell him about a problem but for his discord he is always fixing their problems. I didn’t say it in a bad way, but it was the truth. He’s constantly thanked me for fixing him as a person but this is all I got in return. PTSD and my baby ripped to shreds. No amount of apologies, no amount of “”” changing””” will ever take away the fact that Jin is a rapist, abuser, cheater, and a manipulator. I protected him for four years, not even my best friends know that this happened to me, even after we broke up I protected him. I can’t continue to let him go without punishment after literally getting my baby cat killed. I don’t have proof of anything really because I always protected him and never thought this would happen. The only thing I can show as proof is my messages to my therapist almost 2 years ago where I tell her what he did to me and explain to her that I wanted to try to fix things. I went to therapy to undo the trauma so that we could go back to the way things were before he fucked my head up. Now I don’t even know where to begin to unpack that my abuser got my baby cat killed. I had to start taking medication after Bones died because of how shattered my mental health is.

During the whole year of his Vtubing career I’ve had to watch him pretend to be an advocate for mental health while raping me, manipulating me and then pretending to care so much for the people in his discord. After fixing him into what he is now while he broke me down into shambles I came to him asking him to just SIT WITH ME because I was suicidal and he couldn’t do that despite everything I had done for him and everything he had done for me. Yeah, Jin really cares about mental health huh? He’s good at pretending.

The demon persona suits him well.

This next screenshot will be from someone that had previously dated Jin before I did. Here is a screenshot she sent me when she reached out to me.
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I know Jin is reading this and he knows that this is the least that he deserves. I deserve to not be alone in my suffering after protecting him for 4 years. Even after coming out to my BEST FRIENDS about what he did to me AFTER we broke up I told them that you’re a good person, I tried to protect you because it was what I was used to. You don’t get that from me anymore. You left me with severe trauma and got Bones killed. You broke me down in every way shape and form and then when I changed into a broken version of me you demanded I acted the same as before you did all these things. You punished me for not acting the same when I gave you every last drop of love I could possibly give someone that did all these things to me.
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So the TL;DR for this is basically;
  • Pinky gets into relationship with Jin when they are both 19
  • Knew the relationship was gonna be shit cause he was trying to fuck on the first date
  • Jin has major yellow fever and saves pictures of random Asian woman, promises not do it again (this is gonna be said a lot)
  • Does it a few weeks later again and catfishes women on Twitter as an Asian woman to flirt with woman (future troon in the making?)
  • Jin puts ahego stickers on his car and Pinky tells him to stop because he is opening sexualising woman (not the fact that it is mega cringe and is woman repellent)
  • Gets anxious of him watching porn making her feel like an object, wants him to at least tell her he is watching it
  • Constantly breaks up with her cause he getting no pussy and guilt tripping her into fucking him (kinda don't have sympathy at this point seeing as there was points she could have left)
  • Jin cheated on Pinky with a sex worker promoting his anime sex shop (lmao), no proof of this so a he said she said at this point but says he would get therapy (he would not)
  • Noticed she was blocked by a random anime twitter account, checked Jin's phone and it was his and had DM's of him say they were sexy and complimenting them. Had a meltdown about it on her birthday while he laid there staring blank at her, then broke up with her (again)
  • Jin took molly when promised not to, she came over to his house, he said if he took another one he could his love for her, she agreed and he fucked up for the rest of the night :story:
  • Finally broke up with him for real this time and had to stay with him for 2 weeks to sort stuff out. Felt suicidal and asked him to sit with her, he didn't because he was fucking someone else now then proceeds to type out all caps "I FIXED HIM, AFTER HE BROKE ME DOWN WHILE I NURTURED HIM INTO SOMEONE WHO CAN PRETEND TO BE A GOOD PERSON" (you're not his fucking mother or therapist) and he finally sat with her.
  • Wants him to send money for her therapy, sends her $300 while she has shelled out $5,000 on therapy.
  • Tells him not to hang out with someone cause they barely broke up which he obviously didn't listen to (I have ran out of sympathy at this point)
  • They had a cat called Bones that likely had a disease inherited from her mother. Wanted Bones to be raised indoors and Pinky would come pick them up in a year when she had her own place. Cat got eaten by coyotes (RIP Bones, you didn't deserve these absolute shitters in your life)
  • An image on the last page from an ex of Jin saying he cheated on her with a minor (14/15 and a 17 year old) and befriended the ex's 15 year old brother.
Even the TLDR is a bit long but best I can do. So anyway our Oni has replied back the reception to it has went as well as expected.
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Might watch this with great interest if I can be bothered to keep up with it. It is an absolute fucking shitshow on both sides.
 
  • Occasionally get notification that people try to log into her email
  • Have to reach for her Glock bat every time Bubba bark in the middle of the night
And that is why you don't spread dox around. If Ame who's one of the toughest among EN was this anxious, I can't imagine what it feel for Gura when her family was actually harassed.
This was on my mind a bit so I just wanted to comment. First, it's obviously disgusting and gross that they have to worry about this stuff. There's finding old content to watch and then there's going out of your way to find stuff you don't need to know. Second I think I understand why you say by "don't spread dox around" on a site known for doxing. The differences being the ease of access and popularity. Someone could find Gura's facedox here but it's crazy easy to find on YouTube, especially with the amount of views such videos get.
 
Lol, this clip. They're not cursing. They're hiding their power level.

True, Gura may be the face of HoloLive (given sub count and everything related to it) but that doesn't mean she can do anything she wants to. I'm sure she can do a lot and get away with some stuff (like the collab ban loophole). And she might be able to do more in the future as she's in HL longer and is even more established. However it's not like the biggest people/ the faces of HL before Gura were untouchable so there's no reason to think anything has changed.
Shark is also in a position where loosening up and skirting around the management too much may easily lead to her being seen as getting uppity because of her popularity. Hopefully she'll use her common sense.
 
This was on my mind a bit so I just wanted to comment. First, it's obviously disgusting and gross that they have to worry about this stuff. There's finding old content to watch and then there's going out of your way to find stuff you don't need to know. Second I think I understand why you say by "don't spread dox around" on a site known for doxing. The differences being the ease of access and popularity. Someone could find Gura's facedox here but it's crazy easy to find on YouTube, especially with the amount of views such videos get.
This seems weird coming from a person who wanted to make a doxing miniseries about vtubers pasts.
 
People who make twitter call out posts instead of going to the cops and enrolling in therapy deserve the rope.
Honestly if you go make a Twitter callout before calling the police I'm gonna be very suspicious of your claim. If you believe someone committed a crime and you know their name then why would you go to Twitter before the police

This seems weird coming from a person who wanted to make a doxing miniseries about vtubers pasts.
There seems to be some information you don't know or missed. So first of all I did not play to show Gura's face or any information not posted by the girl's publicly; intentionally excluding information. Everything would've been from the channels themselves.
Secondly idk if you know this but I understand this was a retarded idea and I'd still cause the girls to be at threat from people who wouldn't hold back. I'm also still sorry for this idea.
 
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There seems to be some information you don't know or missed. So first of all I did not play to show Gura's face or any information not posted by the girl's publicly; intentionally excluding information. Everything would've been from the channels themselves.
Secondly idk if you know this but I understand this was a retarded idea and I'd still cause the girls to be at threat from people who wouldn't hold back. I'm also still sorry for this idea.
The more you try to justify your position instead of just saying, "Yup, was dumb. Won't consider THAT again", and only that, is the longer we rag on your ass for it.
 
Honestly if you go make a Twitter callout before calling the police I'm gonna be very suspicious of your claim. If you believe someone committed a crime and you know their name then why would you go to Twitter before the police


There seems to be some information you don't know or missed. So first of all I did not play to show Gura's face or any information not posted by the girl's publicly; intentionally excluding information. Everything would've been from the channels themselves.
Secondly idk if you know this but I understand this was a retarded idea and I'd still cause the girls to be at threat from people who wouldn't hold back. I'm also still sorry for this idea.
I understand that you're a retard that has retarded ideas and despite constant free advice you are easily doxable and refuse to change your name on websites. Ontop of that you had to ask here of all places if your video idea was stupid or not (it was).
 
The more you try to justify your position instead of just saying, "Yup, was dumb. Won't consider THAT again" is the longer we rag on your ass for it.
I'm not trying to justify it. I was simply trying to clarify, sometimes I get wrapped up with that too much even when I shouldn't
So instead of that I'll say this. It was dumb and 'm disappointed in myself. And I am ashamed of myself for the idea, it was a careless one that would enable people who I hate and I disagree with.
 
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I'm not trying to justify it. I was simply trying to clarify, sometimes I get wrapped up with that too much even when I shouldn't
So instead of that I'll say this. It was dumb and I'm sorry. And I am ashamed of myself for the idea, it was a careless one that would enable people who I hate and I disagree with.
Don’t apologize, man. They’ll still gonna shit.
on you just because. You know you made a mistake and owned up to it, you can leave it at that. Best way to be on here is to not give a shit in general.
 
I understand that you're a retard that has retarded ideas and despite constant free advice you are easily doxable and refuse to change your name on websites. Ontop of that you had to ask here of all places if your video idea was stupid or not (it was).
Also I did try to change my name on here but it was rejected

Don’t apologize, man. They’ll still gonna shit.
on you just because. You know you made a mistake and owned up to it, you can leave it at that. Best way to be on here is to not give a shit in general.
thanks, then I guess I'm sorry to myself and no one else.
 
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