What does it say about Tucker Carlson that he's talking about America like its the fall of the Roman Republic? - Its an hour and a half listen, but they touch on a lot of unsaid truths in America today

What does the next 5 years look like for Tucker that he's heading into internet political heterodoxy


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I try my best not to consume propaganda. You should do the same instead of convincing yourself that all the other talking heads are liars except for one of them who might just be telling the truth. They’re ALL the same, dude.
Your attitude reeks of a purity spiraling that is the death of any practical politics. Do I think Tucker Carlson is a savior? No of course not. Do I think he’s useful? Yes.

Like, what exactly do you think boomers will do without someone like Tucker to expose them to what he is exposing them too?

I’ll tell you-nothing. All they’ll do is rail about “Socialism!!!” And Democrats waging war on Christmas.

Consider it informing, consciousness raising or whatever-but Tucker lays the groundwork for someone who is a political leader to work in.

Without that, sincere or not then no progress is made.
 
I try my best not to consume propaganda. You should do the same instead of convincing yourself that all the other talking heads are liars except for one of them who might just be telling the truth. They’re ALL the same, dude.

I don't know how Fox News benefits from the 1 minutes exchange here. He's talking about political destabilization in America, maybe I'm wrong but that is either burnout or sudden moral realignment against the journo class. It doesn't profit Fox to let their hosts speak about the coming political chaos. Not in the current paradigm.

He is standing out, which is why I'm asking what for? He is distancing himself from the pack already. That is the whole question, why is he distancing himself from all the other talking heads to talk to an internet personality? What does that cynically gain him, if we should be cynical?
 
To be fair, you have to apparently be a subscriber to watch that.

But still, having an hour long chat with Curtis Yarvin of all people isn’t the sort of thing that is going to boost your ratings.
 

I don't know how Fox News benefits from the 1 minutes exchange here. He's talking about political destabilization in America, maybe I'm wrong but that is either burnout or sudden moral realignment against the journo class. It doesn't profit Fox to let their hosts speak about the coming political chaos. Not in the current paradigm.

He is standing out, which is why I'm asking what for? He is distancing himself from the pack already. That is the whole question, why is he distancing himself from all the other talking heads to talk to an internet personality? What does that cynically gain him, if we should be cynical?
How does FNC benefit? Are you kidding me? They benefit because people tune in and consume the content. The viewers are so loyal to “their guy” that they sit through the commercial breaks in record numbers, just like the network and advertisers want them to.
 
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How does FNC benefit? Are you kidding me? They benefit because people tune in and consume the content. The viewers are so loyal to “their guy” that they sit through the commercial breaks in record numbers, just like the network and advertisers want them to.
What exactly are you expecting otherwise uninformed boomers to do? Get familiar with the internet and research concepts and events they don’t even have a baseline for understanding?
 
What exactly are you expecting otherwise uninformed boomers to do? Get familiar with the internet and research concepts and events they don’t even have a baseline for understanding?
I don’t expect them to do anything. The fact that you expect anyone to do anything is sad. You want something done? Go do it yourself. You say you can’t? Then accept the things you cannot change.

Tucker isn’t “informing” anyone any more than Maddow did over the past few years. He’s just selling his viewers a line of bullshit tailored to their demographic, same as every other talking head.
 
I don’t expect them to do anything. The fact that you expect anyone to do anything is sad. You want something done? Go do it yourself. You say you can’t? Then accept the things you cannot change.
>And people call me a doomer.

If that's your attitude then fucking shut up and don't talk about politics period.
 
Okay? Have you watched any other Fox anchors? Even ones in his time slot? Like Hannity or Ingraham? What are they talking about? Beyond Ingraham occasionally doing anti immigration stuff, I’m not familiar with any other Fox anchor doing what Tucker does.
He's always in-line with the common beats of the other hosts. I mean, put simply, he wouldn't be on Fox if he wasn't going to say what they have on his teleprompter. No talking head exists in the MSM without toeing whatever line they're given, and if they didn't have at least one outlier with opinions of the kind Tucker has, the network wouldn't have as much political sway.
Your attitude reeks of a purity spiraling that is the death of any practical politics. Do I think Tucker Carlson is a savior? No of course not. Do I think he’s useful? Yes.
Purity spiraling is frankly a concept that doesn't really apply to people like Tucker Carlson. He will do whatever he is going to be told to do, whether or not people find him acceptable until the day comes that he's either taken off-air or retires. He's beholden to nobody but his seniors at his channel.
Like, what exactly do you think boomers will do without someone like Tucker to expose them to what he is exposing them too?

I’ll tell you-nothing. All they’ll do is rail about “Socialism!!!” And Democrats waging war on Christmas.

Consider it informing, consciousness raising or whatever-but Tucker lays the groundwork for someone who is a political leader to work in.
I mean there's quite literally nobody outside of the movers and shakers at Fox who can do anything about it, for good or for ill, so there's really no sense in giving a shit what someone else's opinion of him is at any given time unless he ends up at the mercy of something like Patreon.
Without that, sincere or not then no progress is made.
Regardless of my other statements, it is important to point out when people are being used as "thought leaders" like Tucker, imo. Whether you think he's useful or whatever, or not, his purpose on that station is the same as any other anchor's purpose in any other part of the MSM - he's there to influence and guide opinion, and in some sense to establish a consensus false or otherwise. He's not an "ally" nor is the guy really even part of the body politic. He's a dude who gets in front of a camera, says what's on the teleprompter, puts some emotion into it depending on the cues (probably also on the teleprompter nowadays) and pulls down a paycheck for it.

The entire discussion should be framed in that reference point when it revolves around such people. They're cogs in a machine, ostensibly set for life as long as they keep up whatever their role is when they're in front of a camera, not politically active agents of change in the greater political landscape.
 
To be fair, you have to apparently be a subscriber to watch that.

But still, having an hour long chat with Curtis Yarvin of all people isn’t the sort of thing that is going to boost your ratings.

Curtis – "The most important thing to look for in the next regime change in this country, assuming that it follows the pattern of the past which is that under the same constitution [America] reinvents itself every 75 years.."

Tucker – "..and I can guess what you're going to say next is: Does the next leader bring the professional class with him?"

Curtis – "Yes, and.." *Tucker snaps his fingers triumphantly* "..does he have a message to those people? Is his message to those people 'I'm just going to kill you where you stand like Rwanda' because that's not going to work out very well"

Tucker – "Right" *Nods*

This whole interview was about how history is unkind to people who think the majority of their population are "dumb when they're not scary and scary when they're not dumb", who think there is a difference between Global Leadership and World Domination whilst they're busy drone striking families in poor countries. I'm just wondering why that is the easiest way to keep eyeballs on the TV, or if there is any other reason for Tucker to suddenly swing Neo-Reaction? It seems such a hard way to merely entertain his audience like Hannity or O'Reilly.

(Also, is my VPN letting me be the only one to watch the interview?)
 
I'm just wondering why that is the easiest way to keep eyeballs on the TV, or if there is any other reason for Tucker to suddenly swing Neo-Reaction? It seems such a hard way to merely entertain his audience like Hannity or O'Reilly.
Because outrage sells. Tucker is an Outrage Merchant, same as the rest.
 
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In case you've been living under a rock, its the time for outrage. We live in evil times, and greater tyrannies and injustices are coming.
Well, go be outraged, then. You and Tucker are a perfect match. You two ought to get married. He knows all about pitching and you sound like you’re ready to catch!
 
Yarvin is a step in the right direction, but the normalization of anti semitism, and the transformation of the Republican party into an openly WN party is the only "practical" way things will move in a positive direction.

I think the most important factor is how many people think the current system can be fixed within the confines of its existing political processes.

I.e. if you can fix Congress, the Presidency, the Bureaucracy et al. through their own procedures & laws.

Probably the most important parallels in the breakdown/rot of its institutions and the social discontent in the Late Republic, which temporary dictators like Sulla attempted to fix, but which were finally destroyed upon the arrival of Caesar, who ended up discarding/sidelining many of the preexisting systems.
 
“lol it’s all fake bro, nothing ever gonna happen bro, we’re all gonna die so whatever bro, politics doesn’t matter bro, don’t pay attention to stuff that affects your life bro”

You right now.
Accept the things you cannot change, bro.
 
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