UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot outside Hilton hotel in Midtown in targeted attack: cops - Just Part and Parcel of visiting a Big City

just Reading a post said:

Why are yo so mad bro? "our opposition" what the fuck are you even talking about? Your post has 0 to do with the shooting. If you want to bitch about leftists fuck on to the other threads on thunderdome.

"Don't prove me wrong it hurts my feelings."

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When a killing is just, it is not murder. That is not semantics. It's jurisprudence. You're pathetic.

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Someone in New York has been putting up wanted posters for CEOs
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The other two people are Heather Cianfrocco, CEO of OptumHealth, and Andrew Witty, CEO of UnitedHeath Group. I think whoever put these up may have flown a bit too close to the fedposting sun, but you have to wonder what whispers are going on in C-suite circles in light of this.

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Whimsical. This is what I love to see. I'm not even American so I don't have skin in this whole healthcare game, but the escalation of violence is always fun to watch from a safe distance.

m1ddl3m4rch said:

You're pathetic.

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Stop derailing the thread.

just Reading a post said:

True we have 0 information that United was his insurer. He could have also researched the most scumbag heath care CEO and chose a target based on that.

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It might've even been that his insurer was his university and their parent company was United. I knew a few students who assumed the university was their insurer, and then was surprised when they kicked the can back to United when they had an emergency off-campus. Who then kicked the can back to the university. Who then kicked the can back to United.

it could've been a subsidiary. or a subsidiary of a subsidiary. we just don't know.

Stock update:

In the time period of December 4th (shooting date) until now UnitedHealth's stock has dropped 12.29% (it should be noted however, that the stock price is still up a decent amount from where it was 6 months ago).

To fully assess the stock price/market impact of this event we will probably need to wait a few weeks/months at minimum - the stock(s) appear down at the moment but not enough time has lapsed to really tell what the market impact will be.

I dunno if the rest of the healthcare stocks are also similarly down.
Cigna is also down at a similar level
CVS is also down at a similar level
Elevance is kind of down at a similar level

just Reading a post said:

Stop derailing the thread.

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It's not really derailing the thread, though. Justified killing isn't murder. Would you say that Osama Bin Laden was murdered by SEAL Team Six? Would you say American servicemen in WWII murdered Nazi soldiers? You notice we don't use it as a neutral word to describe a killing. That might be separate from a legalistic perspective but legality and morality aren't the same thing, which is what they're getting at.

"Please SantaJesus,
Just One Banker.
Just One.
I promise I've been a good girl, all year decade.
One responsible for the 2008 financial crash, plsthankyou.
I love you, SantaJesus.
KThxBye. XOX"

Fruttasecca said:

A computer never errs, it doesnt tire, it doesnt desire, it has no biases, no hidden loyalties, no interests, no politics, no beliefs, it cant be bribed nor blackmailed, it merely applies its given algorithm to the facts of the case to come to the correct conclusion, every time at any time. Rulers used to castrate and brainwash children in hopes of creating something resembling a computer (didnt work lol). I have great hopes for a future where administrative work is done by computers and human error can be removed from the equation.

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AI sucks for anything involving humans or requiring nuanced judgment. In interactions involving humans, it has a huge error rate, both understanding the problem and in "thinking" about options or asking smart questions to get to the real situation. Everything AI analyzes or creates has to be reviewed by a human afterward - but even if it is, harm may already have been done - whether time, irritation, emotional cost, or money. Idk how UHG was using it, but it's also terrible for customer experience. You can't explain a damn thing. I assume that the UHC AI making claims decisions was not customer-facing, but instead doing analysis so people don't have to learn the byzantine rules or can't deviate from them. But AI can't exercise judgment, find creative solutions, or be helpful - and tbh a lot of customer anger dissipates just having a decent human being on the other end of the line with the ability to exercise some discretion, or to try something a customer suggests - even if the final answer is still negative.

My only useful interaction with customer-facing AI, as a consumer, is "I want to speak with an agent.". (And then I still get through half the time to people who are also given nearly zero ability to color outside the lines, but it's better than AI.)

m1ddl3m4rch said:

He didn't try to hide, so he is bearing a truth to court

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Why didn't he turn himself in, then?

m1ddl3m4rch said:

Copycat violence of a just killing results in more justice.

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m1ddl3m4rch said:

When a killing is just, it is not murder. That is not semantics. It's jurisprudence. You're pathetic.

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The Westboro types would like a word with you.

Fruttasecca said:

Doctors killed millions during covid by hooking them onto respirators while the Nurses were making tiktoks dancing around like circus clowns.
Medical staff should be treated like shit and endangered.

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You've been complaining about this for quite a few pages, are you a billionaire CEO? That might explain your avatar with a pedophile in it.

AssignedEva said:

It's not really derailing the thread, though. Justified killing isn't murder. Would you say that Osama Bin Laden was murdered by SEAL Team Six? Would you say American servicemen in WWII murdered Nazi soldiers? You notice we don't use it as a neutral word to describe a killing. That might be separate from a legalistic perspective but legality and morality aren't the same thing, which is what they're getting at.

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I think you miss understood. He claimed that anyone killing another CEO is not a copy cat.
"it's not a copy cat of Luigi," Quoted as posted.
I simply said that by that logic it is a no true scotsman.
Because any deviation makes it his quote "not a copycat" I simply pointed out is that if they intent is to kill a CEO, it is the same motive that matters not the method of execution.

gurutu said:

Sicily was part of Aragon in those times, though. Jews were expelled from Sicily as well.

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I am quite aware, but I must contain my sperging. I attempt to trim down my deep dives into rabbit holes. I trim until what feels to me is bare bone, knowing it will still be read as a circumlocutory soliloquy [note to editor: change to longwinded rant]

Ferdinand II was king of the green areas. His cousin wife Isabella of Castile was queen of the pink. Co-rulers, but the logistics are complicated. Their cousin marriage required a papal bull, but Pope Paul #2 wouldn't prep one. So they prepped their own fake papal bull. War... Inquisition... Yada yada... Later, Pope Alexander #6 prepped a papal bull bequeathing 'Rex Catholicissimus' unto them. They became, via that title, "Royals who are the Most Catholic-maxing" cousin spouses.

OK, this will take far too long

Pictured above: Mandy Patinkin (jewish actor) portraying a Spaniard seeking a revenge killing.

Back on topic... bullet points:

• Mangione is a deep rabbit hole
• It goes way way back
• Mangione (Sicilian) is the same family as Mangion (Malta)
• "the Mangion family were the progenitures of about 98 % of Malta's present day nobility."—Raphael Camilleri Parlato
• Knights of Malta (Hospitallers) hellbent on retaking Jerusalem (for some reason)
• There are Maltese Falcons involved
• Mangions lived at Palazzo Mangion in Mdina, Malta
• Mdina's nickname is "the silent city"
• Malta was a Phoenician colony (I will avoid being sidetracked about semetic child sacrifices to Baal)
• I forget to mention, Mangion/Mangione etymology comes from "gluttonous eater"
• [Back to Sicily] Piazza Mangione is named after the homonymous Basilica La Magione in Palermo, Sicily
• Palermo, Sicily had the largest jewish population in Sicily before forced conversion (tens of thousands)
• In Sicily the jews who remained after 1493 became Catholic and were labeled neofiti (neophytes), comparable to conversos in Spain
• The Mangion/Mangiones of history are nobles, slave traders, obsessed with Jerusalem, bankers, murderous killers and hospitals/healthcare
• "Allied Medical: After a successful 35 year journey, Allied Medical Ltd was incorporated in 2010 to formalize the dynamic, successful relationship between AM Mangion Group and B.Braun Melsungen AG... global scale...With approximately 50,000 employees in 60 countries... 5.05 billion Euros."
• Also, in modern times, filmmaking and music (Giuseppe Mangione, Jerre Mangione, Chuck Mangione, etc)
• There are also Mangione noble lines on Naples
• The Mangiones are selective with marriages and intermarry with fellow rich or noble families (with similar origin patterns)

Silvio Mangion, Malta's only serial killer. He had schizophrenia.

I see KiwiFarmers are mentioning the idea that Luigi Mangione might have got caught on purpose and "ghost guns" are a hot topic. My theories involve Enhanced Digital Identification (EDID), and how it is central to the new administrations plans. And, how this murder case sets the narrative for everything. Post is already way too long. I might post about EDID in the US Politics thread or here. Or I might just go back to lurking.

If this faggot has any sense of duty he’ll confess and submit to whatever sentence is handed down.

just Reading a post said:

He does have some interesting points. At what part of a company do you have a cut off for violent retribution? When does the call center staff become collaborators? They have to tell the person on the other end that their claim is denied. And i am quite sure some take a great delight in doing it. Remember the "I was just following orders" excuse was laughed at in 1945.
Should people be bombing the mail clerks home and gunning the front office desks family down?
I think i have proven in this thread that have no love for the CEO. But it is interesting to think about these questions.

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The cutoff is the point where someone actually had tangible decision-making ability. Front desk employees and mail clerks do not make decisions like that. Call center staff just do what the boss tells them.

If you've ever worked in a corporate environment you know what this is like. I've worked at various stages in various companies and at a certain level you get some leeway to inform policy or institute change to "the way things are done" but the final veto is always higher up the chain and if you're too nice to the clients you will eventually get bonked on the head for it by the bosses who just want to see number go up.

neger psykolog said:

Stock update:
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In the time period of December 4th (shooting date) until now UnitedHealth's stock has dropped 12.29% (it should be noted however, that the stock price is still up a decent amount from where it was 6 months ago).

To fully assess the stock price/market impact of this event we will probably need to wait a few weeks/months at minimum - the stock(s) appear down at the moment but not enough time has lapsed to really tell what the market impact will be.

I dunno if the rest of the healthcare stocks are also similarly down.
Cigna is also down at a similar level
CVS is also down at a similar level
Elevance is kind of down at a similar level

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CEO shot - shareholders most affected

Friend of Dorothy Parker said:

Why didn't he turn himself in, then?

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Not trying to hide and turning oneself in are different things, which you well know.

Friend of Dorothy Parker said:

The Westboro types would like a word with you.

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If you don't know what just and unjust mean, consult a jury. Elitists have a hard time understanding moral concepts the hoi polloi grasp firmly, so you have my sympathy.

Ughubughughughughughghlug said:

If this faggot has any sense of duty he’ll confess and submit to whatever sentence is handed down.

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Ask the Ooperator if the justice system is trustworthy.

VargReallyDidNothingWrong said:

The cutoff is the point where someone actually had tangible decision-making ability. Front desk employees and mail clerks do not make decisions like that. Call center staff just do what the boss tells them.

If you've ever worked in a corporate environment you know what this is like. I've worked at various stages in various companies and at a certain level you get some leeway to inform policy or institute change to "the way things are done" but the final veto is always higher up the chain and if you're too nice to the clients you will eventually get bonked on the head for it by the bosses who just want to see number go up.

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It all depends on the point i posted. Especially to political extremists online. They would see "i was just following orders" as collaborator talk. So according to nutters online, it is just to blow up that Janitors house because without the janny, the CEOs toilets will break and it will save lives because the CEO can't do his evil deeds with a broken office shitter.
Political nutter logic is fun aint it lol

AssignedEva said:

Someone in New York has been putting up wanted posters for CEOs
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They've used bullets for the bullet points in a cutsey detail. Full text:

The other two people are Heather Cianfrocco, CEO of OptumHealth, and Andrew Witty, CEO of UnitedHealth Group. I think whoever put these up may have flown a bit too close to the fedposting sun, but you have to wonder what whispers are going on in C-suite circles in light of this.

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The NYPD has issued a bulletin warning about threats to executives: https://abcnews.go.com/US/executive-hit-lists-wanted-posters-nypd-warns-threats/story?id=116662519
It (or rather the video on ABC News) makes reference to an "online hitlist" containing the names and salaries of 8 top executives.

Tweeter video of the same posters: https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/1866693151010050433

I cannot find a clear photo of the posters and there only appears to be one TikTok video that has been floating around for the past 15-16 hours - this suggests that very few posters have actually been put up.

Oxyjen said:

He killed because he was in despair at the prospect of being a normal nobody after such success in his youth (being valedictorian etc), and then “cut down in his prime” by his surfing accident and having to work a boring number pushing job. Probably contemplating suicide, so wanted to do something that would put him into the history books first. Like the motives of most mass shooters?

But he’s arrogant and naive enough to think he’s got away with it, despite the mask off photo, so he doesn’t bother disposing of the gun etc - it might come in useful for next time. And the manifesto, well it’s a bit of a first draft, he wants people to read it but maybe he can do a few re-writes in the meantime.

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Yeah, I don’t buy this, it ignores a lot of the information that’s been provided to reach an oversimplified conclusion. Yeah, maybe he can do a few re-writes to his manifesto… at fucking McDonalds? Really? Not to mention that the info we have shows that the dude is smart, the kind of smart where no matter how naive you are you’re still going to put more consideration into something than the “none at all” you’re giving him credit for. Your explanation misses the bigger picture to paint him with too broad of a brush, and honestly reads like more of a knee-jerk reaction than something based on context.

Just because he shot someone doesn’t make him just another dindu. My money’s still on that he wanted to get caught because he’s short a few cards of a full deck and wanted to send a message. Granted, it’s not much better than what you’re saying, but the context we have to work with makes this the more likely outcome.

Yall seen this. People are printing out wanted posters with CEOs on them. And posting them places.