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Mola Ram said:
I recall asking the commenter what word they would prefer I use, and they said "Why not just call them dancers?" and it took every ounce of will I possessed not to answer, "Because they don't just dance. They fuck. Whores fuck. What part of 'these characters fuck in exchange for money' are you not getting?"

Bear in mind my story was marked 18+ readers only, explicit sex, explicit language, all that good shit. After it went into the Paid program I even had to submit it to a sensitivity reader, although thankfully they didn't request I cut anything (I always suspected they never actually finished it; the spiciest scene is about 600 pages in). I had no way to stop under-18s from reading it, but anyone who read it knew what they were in for.
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You have a stronger will than I would have in your situation lol. Sorry sweetie, but sex work isn't empowering, it is in fact the oldest profession.
Mola Ram said:
Wattcon was my first exposure to taking pronouns super fucking seriously, and it was not a good first impression. I was astonished at how many people wore those stupid buttons.

It was also my first exposure to land acknowledgments, and brother, seeing a bunch of self-important Canadians make a land acknowledgment in an American city, of which I was a citizen and they were mere tourists, was both funny and infuriating. Happened in the con opening ceremonies too, and if I hadn't met some other locals who were pretty cool I probably would not have gone back the next day.
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I don't want to know what a land acknowledgement is. Probably involves native Americans or something gay. That is dumb.
Mola Ram said:
I do feel that this is more of a snapshot in time than whistleblowing. Wattpad's culture changed a great deal after I left as they continued to make it harder and harder for users to communicate with each other. First the forums were shut down, then the ability to send direct messages. It all began to feel very atomized, and maybe this was a tacit acknowledgment that as nuts as the company was, the userbase could be even crazier.

I vividly remember the user who was insistent that Wattpad allow readers to report stories for hate speech. In fairness to Wattpad, this was not something they ever really responded to, unless it was Elders of Zion or Turner Diaries level of bigoted (and, hilariously, such things did show up from time to time), although that likely changed at least temporarily after summer 2020 and the refocusing that email describes. However, this particular user wanted it to be a flaggable offense if a story employed "white savior tropes."

Bye bye, To Kill a Mockingbird!
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Imagine just letting people write their stories without Randalls fucking with you. That sounds horrible.
 
WelperHelper99 said:
You have a stronger will than I would have in your situation lol. Sorry sweetie, but sex work isn't empowering, it is in fact the oldest profession.
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The funny thing is, I deliberately tried to make their portrayal generally sympathetic, with the protagonist lamenting that he had no power to do anything about the unfair contracts they were signed to. Later, a haughty noblewoman character demonstrates that she's learned some humility by ... insisting another character not refer to one of the girls who'd become her friend as a "whore." I'm fully aware of the weight that word can carry, but it's still a functional word despite its connotations, and if this reader hadn't been looking to be offended they might have seen that there were multiple dimensions to the language I'd chosen.

Also, the protagonist, who is definitely intended as a heroic character, never uses the word himself. He also never points out or boasts that he doesn't use the word, nor does anyone else, and nor does he correct anyone else for using it. That happens exactly once, in the specific situation I mentioned. I'm guessing this was too subtle a detail for this reader to catch, which is as fine an example of why I was an awful fit for Wattpad as I can think of.

WelperHelper99 said:
I don't want to know what a land acknowledgement is. Probably involves native Americans or something gay. That is dumb.
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You got it in one. You'll see them in Twitter bios (or more frequently Bluesky bios these days, I guess), where instead of naming a city you recognize it'll be "occupied Lenape territory" or similar nonsense. Canada took this idiocy seriously much earlier than the USA did, which is funny considering Canadian First Nations people get such lousy treatment from the culture at large that serial killers in some regions of the country treat them like cattle. Look up "the Highway of Tears" sometime.

WelperHelper99 said:
Imagine just letting people write their stories without Randalls fucking with you. That sounds horrible.
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This was one of the crazier users, to be sure -- she was trying to stir up trouble every week, as I recall -- but the fact that such an obviously destructive request was even treated half-seriously showed that eventually the loons would dictate platform policy. Which, in the Summer of Floyd, is exactly what happened.
 
Mola Ram said:
I no longer care, despite still being barely one step above "unpublished." If you want to hate untalented writers with unwarranted success, there are much more nauseating examples out there. Anyone want to kick around Anna Todd?
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At least one Paoilini hater moved on to a career of writing, but there has to be something wrong with those that still remain. They don't appear to have fun and I can't imagine how you could manage to hate someone you don't know or interact with for so long.

WelperHelper99 said:
You have a stronger will than I would have in your situation lol. Sorry sweetie, but sex work isn't empowering, it is in fact the oldest profession.
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It is empowering for college women who do it as a 'fuck you, dad' thing, but I doubt it was empowering for the thirteen year olds sold to pay for their family's debts. Just because 0.1% of them managed to make the best of their situation doesn't make it good. Though if a whore worked in an actual brothel, she was already doing better than the majority of her profession.
 
Ok I woke up lol.
Mola Ram said:
The funny thing is, I deliberately tried to make their portrayal generally sympathetic, with the protagonist lamenting that he had no power to do anything about the unfair contracts they were signed to. Later, a haughty noblewoman character demonstrates that she's learned some humility by ... insisting another character not refer to one of the girls who'd become her friend as a "whore." I'm fully aware of the weight that word can carry, but it's still a functional word despite its connotations, and if this reader hadn't been looking to be offended they might have seen that there were multiple dimensions to the language I'd chosen.

Also, the protagonist, who is definitely intended as a heroic character, never uses the word himself. He also never points out or boasts that he doesn't use the word, nor does anyone else, and nor does he correct anyone else for using it. That happens exactly once, in the specific situation I mentioned. I'm guessing this was too subtle a detail for this reader to catch, which is as fine an example of why I was an awful fit for Wattpad as I can think of.
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Imagine people taking context clues. Imagine it. Apparently Wattpad can't. I totally get what you're saying and what you were going for. She's a whore, but the hero isn't a prick about it.
Mola Ram said:
You got it in one. You'll see them in Twitter bios (or more frequently Bluesky bios these days, I guess), where instead of naming a city you recognize it'll be "occupied Lenape territory" or similar nonsense. Canada took this idiocy seriously much earlier than the USA did, which is funny considering Canadian First Nations people get such lousy treatment from the culture at large that serial killers in some regions of the country treat them like cattle. Look up "the Highway of Tears" sometime.
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I know a few Native Americans. Chill guys that are also crazy motherfuckers. Very fun. The guys I know wouldn't like getting talked down to like that.
Mola Ram said:
This was one of the crazier users, to be sure -- she was trying to stir up trouble every week, as I recall -- but the fact that such an obviously destructive request was even treated half-seriously showed that eventually the loons would dictate platform policy. Which, in the Summer of Floyd, is exactly what happened.
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The death of the Internet it seems is unstoppable when redditors/cat ladies/Randall's are involved. That just sucks.
Henri Barbusse said:
It is empowering for college women who do it as a 'fuck you, dad' thing, but I doubt it was empowering for the thirteen year olds sold to pay for their family's debts. Just because 0.1% of them managed to make the best of their situation doesn't make it good. Though if a whore worked in an actual brothel, she was already doing better than the majority of her profession
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Yeah whoring is just sex trafficking most of the time, and it's gross how much it's idolized.
 
So apparently some guy got sexually assaulted at a book convention (one of the few men there)
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The comments are sane as you'd expect
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WelperHelper99 said:
So apparently some guy got sexually assaulted at a book convention (one of the few men there)
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Women at conventions are always like this. Remember the yaoi paddle stuff from the early 2000s? Women walking around hitting men on the arse to say they're hot and should be fucking other men like they're fan fiction characters?

Can we revive pranking where Chad gets groped, invites the woman back to his hotel room and then says "no way fatso, you're ugly as shit" and walks away laughing?
 
WelperHelper99 said:
Oh it happened. It's getting videos my man
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After pulling up images of the women that attend this sort of things, and apparently there were straight men dressed like this as "entertainers":

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I can very much see this actually happening. I would not want to be a guy that looks like that, wears that costume, and doesn't enjoy dick and be around that many thirsty, sex deprived, woman that are a hard 4 at best.

Also, apparently one of the straight, male "entertainers" had something painted on their chest with water insoluble paint, but they got groped so often, by so many women, that just the body oil on their hands was enough to actually rub it off. That is nuts.
 
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BOOKS FOR WOMEN, LIKE ROMANTASY AND DARK ROMANCE ARE JUST PORN

FEMALE "READERS" ARE THE SAME A PORNSICK MEN

EXCEPT PORNSICK MEN IN PORN CONS AREN'T MASS-ASSAULTING THE PORN ACTRESSES (to my knowledge)
 
I didn't realize the state of YA fiction for men was so bad. I've read a few modern ones that would be cool for teenage boys for the most part the Mage Errant series, the gay stuff in there is mostly easy to ignore, Arcane Ascension is getting good now that we are approaching what I think is the end of the series, that guy just writes slow. Idk if Cradle counts as YA, but I would say it does the characters end the series as like 20 year olds, and that series is fantastic. I guess reading is just struggling against the instant dopamine hits of playing video games, which is sad. There really should be more of a concerted effort in schools, and by parents to get young men interested in reading, but since the schools are so dominated by women they wouldn't even know how to go about doing that. We need more male authors that are writing things that men want to read, but that runs into the same problem as the schools if the men never get into reading why would they want to write?

I'm probably not covering any new ground here, but I'm sad. Books are far more entertaining than most video games imo.
 
holyhandgrenade said:
We need more male authors that are writing things that men want to read, but that runs into the same problem as the schools if the men never get into reading why would they want to write?
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Men are still writing and trying to get published but women control the publishing industry now. If it's not made for women they will not publish it. it's why masculine genres like fantasy have become romance novels with Elves. The genre is being held at gun point
 
Prokhor Zakharov said:
After pulling up images of the women that attend this sort of things, and apparently there were straight men dressed like this as "entertainers":

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I can very much see this actually happening. I would not want to be a guy that looks like that, wears that costume, and doesn't enjoy dick and be around that many thirsty, sex deprived, woman that are a hard 4 at best.

Also, apparently one of the straight, male "entertainers" had something painted on their chest with water insoluble paint, but they got groped so often, by so many women, that just the body oil on their hands was enough to actually rub it off. That is nuts.
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He's being called a "cosplayer"
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Apparently they got extremely handsy. Like borderline rapey.

I will admit the idea of some guy getting molested by a bunch of chunky chicks and hyperventilating is kinda hard to take seriously. Especially if he's actually an "entertainer".
 
Vibralldo said:
Female gooners are a far bigger threat than people think, especially since they blend into the general public far better
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The true epidemic of the 2030's is going to be all the unhinged shit the millennial fem-cels do when their last egg turns to dust.
 
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