Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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I forgot somethign in my sperg out

ANY NEGATIVES FOR UKRAINE FROM THIS?
Yes. US and mideast allies are burning a lot of PAC-3 interceptors, the kind Ukraine uses. This is very likely to cancel any transfers from US inventory to Ukraine that are still pending - a lot of transfers were canceled last year after Iran did some posturing exercises before Midnight Hammer kicked off.

This may affect ATACMS transfers, as well as air-to-ground missiles specifically AGM-88 anti-radar missiles. Normal HIMARS rockets should be unaffected as should supplies of 155mm as the US isn't engaging in ground-based artillery. Likewise any equipment or replenishment for ground vehicles shouldn't be disrupted.

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I have posted in this thread before about this:
Obama and Biden did not order enough Patriot interceptor missiles during their presidencies. Trump didn't either, to be fair, but he ordered more than they did. The Pentagon has been putting in reports for nearly a decade "we do not have enough missiles for our patriot batteries in the event that shit really pops off, supplies are low and near critical".

Biden, when attempting to bolster Ukraine's air defense, instead of ordering increased missile production simply had the civilian leadership of the DoD redefine "Critical" to transfer those missiles to Ukraine.

There is a lot of these getting expended countering Iran's drones and missile spam. Some are launches from gulf states but US command is using up PAC-3s at a very brisk pace. This means any transfers to Ukraine are likely canceled or soon to be.

But I want to point out something very important:
Trump brow-beat Zelensky until he agreed to get funding and place a normal order - not a transfer or military aid, he put in an order like any other country (but did get his state department approval fast-walked) - for Patriot batteries and reloads, that means this order is entirely unaffected by these festivities unlike transfers from US stocks.
You can argue intention vs. coincidence, but the result is the same: it might take a few years, but Ukraine's major air defense resupply and upgrade will be unaffected by US missile stock levels.

Fatsuit Shinji said:
Obama openly embraced Iran with unfreezing their money in the U.S. and elsewhere under American jurisdiction. In addition to backing them on their revolutionary and nuclear endeavors during his administration.
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unfreezing? Oh sweet summer child. If only it had been just that.

Obama, in exchange for signing a retarded (for the US) peace deal dropped 1.7 billion dollars in hard currency: unmarked US small bills, Swiss francs, British Pounds, and other currencies including 1oz gold coins, on the runway at Tehran in pallets.
You can notice the uptick in violence in the middle east during and after 2016 that is a direct result of that money.

The retarded deal, signed when Iran's economy was teetering on collapse, only required that (effectively) Iran pinky promised they wouldn't build a bomb before 2030 (there is some more gay shit in there about exact enrichment levels and now much by weight) and had to release American prisoners. (the 1.7 billion that nigger dropped on the tarmac was for the hostages but that fucking pantywaist cuck always quibbles about how it wasn't). The worst part was Obama never even attempted to enforce the deal and large parts, especially about arming Hesbollah, were invalid from the start.

Obama was a traitor to the United States and should be tried, convicted and executed. This is the moderate position.
 
Fatsuit Shinji said:
Obama openly embraced Iran with unfreezing their money in the U.S. and elsewhere under American jurisdiction. In addition to backing them on their revolutionary and nuclear endeavors during his administration.
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Obama's risible weakness towards Putin over NATO expansion and the annexation of Crimea allowed Russia to consolidate its invasion of Ukraine at its ease. Trump (albeit after advisor prodding) sent weapons like Javelins where Obama provided blankets. Probably worse in scale was Merkel who remains a Putin panderer and consolidated Schroeder's efforts to make Germany dependant on Russian hydrocarbons. Schroeder was happy to start closing Germany's safe nuclear plants and Merkel almost completed it.
 
Ghostse said:
Lol what quagmire? You mean the long quagmire Midnight hammer was? Even if you want to pretend Trump intends to go full Dubya, he would need at least a year to move enough ground forces to even try. This is just an aircampaign to support anti-government groups
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It’s not though. Look at Venezuela, since this is just a Kehbab styled version of that. We removed Maduro, and immediately put his second in command in charge. There are no significant changes in how Venezuela operates. I’m fairly certain they released a statement condemning the US and Israel for what happened in Iran. The people aren’t free, the conditions aren’t better. If anything they’re now in a worse position since the average normie of the rest of world assumes Venezuela was fixed.

We aren’t supporting local anti government forces in Iran. Once the order to stop bombing comes we will leave, and someone new will take charge. They won’t have meaningful change.
 
R00T said:
It’s not though. Look at Venezuela, since this is just a Kehbab styled version of that. We removed Maduro, and immediately put his second in command in charge. There are no significant changes in how Venezuela operates. I’m fairly certain they released a statement condemning the US and Israel for what happened in Iran. The people aren’t free, the conditions aren’t better. If anything they’re now in a worse position since the average normie of the rest of world assumes Venezuela was fixed.

We aren’t supporting local anti government forces in Iran. Once the order to stop bombing comes we will leave, and someone new will take charge. They won’t have meaningful change.
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My nigga. They are passing whatever laws they are told to pass. They are evicting Russia, China, and Cuba. The US is taking Russian sanctions busters, legally, because Venezuela is authorizing the US to do it "pretty please go take our tankers".

AND ELECTIONS HAVEN'T EVEN TAKEN PLACE YET.

Please, I beg of you, get your news from places that aren't Eurofag mald factories.
 
Ghostse said:
Ukraine is currently our ally but they may not always be so. Overall they are still a corrupt Slavic kleptocracy (again: Just because they are doesn't give a larger Slavic Kleptocracy the right to invade them). Poland, #1 in shitting down Russia's throat at any chance, is reluctant to back Ukraine due to unresolved ethnic issues on the borders and a desire to not go from two dangeous and well-armed slav thuggeries on its border (ok strictly speaking 1 well armed slavic thuggery and its puppet) to three.
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I was told today that Ukraine had nowhere near the issues of corruption compared to Russia. I mean they improved a lot, but still. A long way to go. Is Poland really that concerned? They are in NATO after all. An attack by Ukraine would be lunacy or am I missing something?
 
Quindoll said:
I was told today that Ukraine had nowhere near the issues of corruption compared to Russia. I mean they improved a lot, but still. A long way to go. Is Poland really that concerned? They are in NATO after all. An attack by Ukraine would be lunacy or am I missing something?
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Given corruption is very subjective I don't like to make value comparisons, but in general: Yes, Ukraine is signficantly less corrupt than Russia, but still nearly comically corrupt especially when you consider there is a war going on.

Poland would less concerned about direct military and more about Slavic ethnic uprising fuckfuck games.
"Oh those slavs on your border are doing masked terrorist shit? Oh no that is so terrible how could that happen but we are sending observers into make sure you don't do a genocide. Its very risky so the humanitarian observers are all military and former military. This is normal. Problem?"

Also if Ukraine gets into NATO all bets are off. Greece and Turkey, both NATO members went to war.
 
Ghostse said:
Given corruption is very subjective I don't like to make value comparisons, but in general: Yes, Ukraine is signficantly less corrupt than Russia, but still nearly comically corrupt especially when you consider there is a war going on.
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Corruption is bad in any country, but at the end of the day Ukraine isn't making theirs anyone else's problem. But Russia that wants to swallow them does. It certainly won't get better under Putin.
Which is why it's always strange to see the topic of corruption in Ukraine being brought up by ziggers, as if it favors them. You could argue that because of it, money sent by allies is being wasted, sure. But at the same time, they wouldn't have to send anything if Ukraine wasn't being invaded in the first place.

From pragmatic point of view, for Ukraine rooting out corruption is a matter of survival, because it's crippling their ability to defend.
For Russia though, corruption is like breathing - while just as harmful, there's no Putinism without it. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
If Ukraine loses, it will become a vassal state to Russia with all that implies. If Russia gives up the invasion, it will keep its territorial integrity and remain secure from invasion thanks to nuclear weapons, even if it ends up with Putin being replaced.

Ultimately, when it comes to this shit... Consider stakes.
 
Astro Galactic Megalul said:
Which is why it's always strange to see the topic of corruption in Ukraine being brought up by ziggers, as if it favors them. You could argue that because of it, money sent by allies is being wasted, sure. But at the same time, they wouldn't have to send anything if Ukraine wasn't being invaded in the first place.
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This point is why I've never understood Null's shitting on Ukraine. Instead of his briefly having lived there warming his heart to the people, the first thing that comes up is his focus on "corruption" in a vacuum.
 
Also what kind of corruption is it supposed to be? There’s the African kind where every public official and cop will shake you down for cash, or there’s the US kind where basically everyone in government is in the pocket of some corporation. Or there’s the Russian kind where organised crime IS the government and runs everything to their advantage. Which is Ukraine supposed to have? Any examples?
 
Ukrainian troops liberate 9 settlements on Oleksandrivka front – Air Assault Forces
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — 2 March, 16:03
Ukrainian troops liberate 9 settlements on Oleksandrivka front – Air Assault Forces

Ukraine's Air Assault Forces report the liberation of nine settlements on the Oleksandrivka front and a significant amount of Russian equipment destroyed.

Source: Air Assault Forces press service on social media

Quote: "As of now, nine settlements have been liberated. Three settlements have been cleared of the enemy in our zone, and work is currently underway to liberate several more settlements."


Details: It is noted that military units and subunits of the Air Assault Forces grouping continue active offensive operations on the Oleksandrivka front, imposing their own conditions of battle on the Russians......
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Ukrainska Pravda archive / Ukrainska Pravda original link

This can hardly be attributed solely to Musk shutting off Starlink, but it's rather plausible that the Russians became highly reliant on using it for both communications and drones (even if they find a non bricked Starlink, Starlinks won't work now if they're moving at the speed of a drone) rather than train their prison scum to use their own adequate encrypted communications. Presumably it was easier to source pirated Starlinks rather than improve or make more of the Azart handheld or the Aqueduct radio systems. There's also a decent likelihood that Ukrainian General Staff have finally abandoned micromanaging units based on outdated information or at least do it less often. Also the policy of using certain picked units to fire fight areas in difficulty is working well enough, plus, and probably most importantly, air and ground drones can both supply their own plus monitor and harry the enemy.

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Panyi Szabolcs on Xitter

Two things are of note here. First Fidesz is tired. They can barely manage a new poster with anti-Semitic tropes. Orbán is shameless in that he was himself funded by George Soros who paid for some very expensive education in the UK. Secondly, unless Musk, Trump (supposedly Musk and Trump are planning to rig the Hungarian election) or the Wizard of Oz pull a rabbit out of a hat for Viktor can looking staring at posters of Jewish laughing at him from a tiny prison window while he's in a cell somewhere in Hungary on trial for corruption, or probably in Moscow. In all likelihood Trump won't spending scarce political capital on saving a minor Central European autocrat. Maybe Viktor and Bashar can play Fortnite against each other in Moscow and take care before drinking any fancy tea sent from the Kremlin and be careful too near windows.

Oxyjen said:
Also what kind of corruption is it supposed to be? There’s the African kind where every public official and cop will shake you down for cash, or there’s the US kind where basically everyone in government is in the pocket of some corporation. Or there’s the Russian kind where organised crime IS the government and runs everything to their advantage. Which is Ukraine supposed to have? Any examples?
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That US style corruption is common enough through the West. Senior civil servants can find themselves moving from retirement to the boards of companies over which they had regulatory or decision-making authority. The US and much of the West does have more old fashion corruptions of bribery and embezzlement.

It's not Russian style where corruption is the system, but there's various forms of corruption like favoritism to towards companies perhaps because their owner is known to a politicians or as a result of contributions to the political process, crooked investment schemes that launder embezzled money (eg a mysteriously wealthy former energy minister) and also bribery of public officials.
 
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No. 7 cat said:
anti-Semitic tropes
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Tbh that's an allegiation only the true drooling, bleeding heart libtards would throw his way in Hungary. You can call the fat halfbreed gypsy anything but an anti-semite. He literally withdrew from the ICC just so he isn't obligated to arrest Netanyahu on sight during their semiannual Hungarian circlejerk visit.

The Soros thing is particularly ironic considering Orban was gay for him and admired him as a mentor for the longest time. He was also able to study Hegelianism and Marxism in Oxford thanks to Soros. Here is his cover letter [in English so you can read it] applying to the George Soros Foundation's (The Open Society Foundation) Scholarship in 1988, which he won; an amount today corresponding to about $30000
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In all likelihood Trump won't spending scarce political capital on saving a minor Central European autocrat.
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Of course he won't, that's why he sent Rubio. Orban has been begging Trump, even saying in certain interviews that Trump owes him for his loyalty, alliance and his contributions to his election victory (through fucking Orbán Balázs, lmao). Not trying to throw shade at Rubio, but nobody fucking knows him in Hungary, and anyone who is informed enough to know doesn't vote for Orban anyway. Him not being able to sign Trump for his campaign rally was a major humiliation for him.
Hungarian politicians kiss the wall, regularly prostrate themselves in the many jewish cemeteries and synagogues of Hungary.
Pictured: Németh Szilárd, vice president of Fidesz wearing a tactical camoyarmulke at one of the many scheduled Jewish humiliation rituals.
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It's why I don't get why some of the classical chuds are obsessed with Orban like he's the last bastion of based fascism or whatever idea people masturbate to. The party itself is rabidly zionistic and the vast majority of the regional untouchables, the Gipsies vote for him; the latter can be attributed to widespread voter fraud where they are literally being bussed to voting stations and paid off with cash or foodstuffs, and due to them directly pandering to the demographic posing with actual Gypsy criminals, reality tv freaks, rappers, and other assorted niggers.
He has no real alignments, no morals; his "illiberal", Christian conservative party is full of elderly(actual) communists[he himself was a party secretary in the olden days], faggots, pedophiles and illiterate gipsies.
He swindles the West (or did as long as he could), but not in a way that benefits Hungary, he just embezzles half of it and uses the other half to pay off his lackeys, the local despots and their business interests.
He cozies up to retarded durka durka CIS nobodies larping as a Turk or Hun or the fucking Khan of the Turanian Brotherhood or whatever the fuck to satisfy his own sense of importance in an extremely cringeworthy display of homosexuality.
He ruins millenia long ancestral friendships between nations during the course of a single decade, like he did with Poland. You don't even have to go that far, you can also say ruined the relationship with all the regional economic interests while cozying up to the few most retarded ones(Serbs and Slovaks, who all hate us and will proceed hate us forever anyways despite Orban having Fico's cock in his mouth 24/7): the Croats hate us. The Austrians hate us. The Ukrainians hate us. We're a landlocked country surrounded by everyone who is tired of Hungary's antics and despises them, equating it to Orban himself; which is fair, seeing as it is a State party governing with the heaven's mandate for the last 16 years.
Healthcare, education is the worst it has ever been during the modern history of the country.
From regional economic poster child, the country went to literally the poorest nation in the EU with some of the worst metrics in almost everything- alcoholism, child births, population decline, education, and recently even in terms of GDP growth, all despite...
The country being raped by fucking chinks through endless Korean and Chinese EV factories siphoning away water (while the country is already suffering from droughts and agriculture is also in shambles), pumping toxic sludge into the countryside fucking up nature, the health of the workers and everyone who lives near these facilities; not only does the country look away from all the environmental and work safety violations, but it actively pumps the country full of pajeets and filipinos just to have someone do this shit for half the pay a Hungarian would, also actively subsidizing most of these facilities through government grants. Recent infractions became so bad even the fucking Korean media was full of the Göd fiasco, the same Korea firmly in Samsung's asshole.
There's unprecedented state interventionism in basically every single key industry in order to maintain the mafia state. It's all just done in a gay little socialism-lite way where it's full of redistributive welfare policies that somehow end up not doing anything in the best case scenario and being extremely counterproductive and wreck the economy in order to virtue signal in the worst case. I'm talking about things like giving discounted state subsidized loans to people with kids, which the average retard who couldn't put Hungary on the map would laud as based, not realizing this does nothing to advance the white race or whatever gay little ideals they have in their minds and the only thing it achieves is somehow making it so that gipsies create more hellspawns and inflation is somehow even worse than it was before; now subsidized, backed and caused by the state.
If you aren't affiliated with the system and the party, you are a nobody. You cannot succeed as a physician working the state sector even. They control public contracts, loans, permits, resources - the soviet union would be envious of how well the gay little party apparatchiks are rewarded though if they behave well.
If you do not go out of your way to consume 'libtard, yuro lugenpress' and you stick to the 90% of media that is one degree of separation away from direct party ownership you're in eternal war psychosis fighting imaginary foes while your shithole country and your life in it is steadily getting worse every single year. It's nonstop MIGRANTS MIGRANTS[who all happen to literally just skip Hungary entirely due to how much of a shithole it is] WAR WAR WAR, BRUSSELS BRUSSELS BRUSSELS, UKRAINE ATTACKS, SABOTAGE, ZELENSKYY WANTS TO MARCH ON BUDAPEST. It's all you see in the TV, it's all you read online, and it's all you read in the newspaper handed to you for free on the Metro. Like 20% of Hungary lives in an alternate world where Hungary is the last man standing fighting an eternal war against Brusselite globalists and Ukraine.
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Pictured: Your view from the sidewalk as you catch the bus to your factory job at 7:45 AM in the outskirts of Budapest. [HÁBORÚ on the giant billboards meaning WAR in Hungarian.] From the window of the bus occasionally, between two billboards letting you know that HUNGARY IS AT FUCKING WAR THEY ARE EATING YOUR GRANDKIDS you catch a glimpse of Orbán's face written in a soothing blue hue, saying "BÉKE" or "PEACE" and you know all is well.
Not today, Zelenskyy/Ursula/Weber/Soros, not today.
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I'm a Silly said:
This point is why I've never understood Null's shitting on Ukraine. Instead of his briefly having lived there warming his heart to the people, the first thing that comes up is his focus on "corruption" in a vacuum.
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On the Ukraine topic he's always been a Kremlin parrot. Even in the beginning his "brother war" line was straight out of the zigger handbook. He's the exact kind of online person GRU needs to repeat that bullshit to effectively propagandize the west and he was a very early adopter.

Makes me wonder if he's good online friends with some snow nigger in a cubicle pretending to be heckin' edgy with based orthodoxy and "alternative" views on everything.
 
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The Gulaghomo East is so fucking pathetic, I'm convinced if China tried to fuck with Taiwan the internet would be literally flooding with Chink rekt/gore videos as well as over the top seething from tankies and random African/Brazillian third worldists.
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Changs can't even invade Taiwan or do any real superpower shit so they just make cringe-worthy animations depicting themselves as Ace Combat characters.

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latinlover said:
It's why I don't get why some of the classical chuds are obsessed with Orban like he's the last bastion of based fascism or whatever idea people masturbate to. The party itself is rabidly zionistic
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A lot of white rigth wingers have no issues with Israel, better to have them there than here. The issue is primarily all the dual citizens in the US dictating US foreign policy and all the mossad shenanigans like Epstein.

I can also see why a lot of right wingers are sceptical of TISZA, it would not be the first time that a supposedly right wing party wins and immediatly just go full globohomo.
It then becomes like Poland where you have to weigh the risk of if the possibility of less corruption and fraud is worth voting in a Brussel creature
 
Astro Galactic Megalul said:
Corruption is bad in any country, but at the end of the day Ukraine isn't making theirs anyone else's problem. But Russia that wants to swallow them does. It certainly won't get better under Putin.
Which is why it's always strange to see the topic of corruption in Ukraine being brought up by ziggers, as if it favors them. You could argue that because of it, money sent by allies is being wasted, sure. But at the same time, they wouldn't have to send anything if Ukraine wasn't being invaded in the first place.

From pragmatic point of view, for Ukraine rooting out corruption is a matter of survival, because it's crippling their ability to defend.
For Russia though, corruption is like breathing - while just as harmful, there's no Putinism without it. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
If Ukraine loses, it will become a vassal state to Russia with all that implies. If Russia gives up the invasion, it will keep its territorial integrity and remain secure from invasion thanks to nuclear weapons, even if it ends up with Putin being replaced.

Ultimately, when it comes to this shit... Consider stakes.
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current year ukraine corruption is mainly a holdover from soviet rule anyway, just like it is in all the other former eastern bloc countries (including russia)
most outsiders don't comprehend what being subject to soviet style bureaucracy is like, where the state controls your entire life and uses that power to heavy-handedly force you into conforming with the dysfunctional principles of marxism-leninism. in such conditions corruption becomes a necessity for survival, it's the only way of navigating the inhumane bureaucracy that controls your entire world with any sort of success.
living like that for 3 generations leaves its mark on people, very hard to get out of that mindset when it's all you and everyone in your life have ever known.
 
No. 7 cat said:
crooked investment schemes that launder embezzled money (eg a mysteriously wealthy former energy minister) and also bribery of public officials.
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I forgot all about the energy minister! Yeah, I guess they’re just not very good at corruption.
If that had happened in the UK or US it would have been slightly more subtle, and they’d have gotten away with it with no repercussions.
See Baroness Mone, or like any Trump crony or family member you care to think of.
 
Übertroon said:
A lot of white rigth wingers have no issues with Israel, better to have them there than here.
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You're forgetting that Evangelical Christian Zionism is an uniquely American thing, Orban and its ilk won't get raptured once the Third Temple is built. The reason why there is no AIPAC lobbying and Mossad operations in Hungary is because the country is unimportant and already dominated by Israeli foreign investment courtesy of Orban selling everything out to them (and everyone else with money).

All of the true, diehard right wingers are extremely antisemitic in Central-Eastern Europe, and this voterbase is scooped up and completely neutered by the satellite party of FIDESZ, Mi Hazánk Mozgalom whose greatest chudtastic right wing achievements in eternal opposition is:
voting alongside FIDESZ on literally every question imaginable, bringing up the Gypsy problem once every 4 years and immediately folding on it after a couple hours hours of pushback from the general public, campaigning on deliberately not wanting to win as it strategically makes more sense to be in (controlled) opposition, attempting to ban Fortnite in Parliament and last but not least bankrolling a YouTube show about performative vigilantism from party money. Evropa is saved.

Übertroon said:
I can also see why a lot of right wingers are sceptical of TISZA, it would not be the first time that a supposedly right wing party wins and immediatly just go full globohomo.
It then becomes like Poland where you have to weigh the risk of if the possibility of less corruption and fraud is worth voting in a Brussel creature
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Tell me one thing where Orban is a traditional-conservative right wing politician and not just larping. Just one.

But alright, let's hypothetically assume the first day they new guy takes office the man takes off his mask and it's revealed that he's some communist lizard or an android created by Manfred Weber or something and he's ready for the librul takeover of Hungary.

What policies would he enact to bring about the Brusselite utopia, selling out the country to the unwashed hordes? Let's take a look at what Orban, the illiberal-ultraconservative-fascist gigachad has done so far:

The amount of economic interventionism and cronyism there is in Hungary it's basically the average socialist's fever dream. Institutional corruption is reaching levels higher than any random Sub-Saharan African country you would point at on a map.

The endless pro-natalist virtue signaling and giveaways, the subsidized mortgages, tax exemptions, etc. Who do you think primarily benefits from it, who pays for it, and how does the ongoing demographic shift of 20% of the population being gipsies (who siphon away more and more taxpayer money through these subsidies and gibs) in a decade or two help you win the culture war and continue Yakub's legacy of flooding the world with white devils? All of this mind you with record high budget deficits and debt-to-GDP ratios, so you're giving money away you don't have for causes you don't truly believe in, creating a result that's the opposite of what you are pretending to want (more white people). We haven't even gotten to primetime election bribery season, so arguably the deficits are going to get even worse all sponsored by the average Hungarian taxpayer.

Anti faggotry: Good job, made Pride illegal and the next day Hungary sees its biggest Pride event ever with attendance measured in hundreds of thousands failing to enforce their own chuddy policies out of fear. Evropa is saved. The only unquestionably right wing question they take a hard line on in is completely inconsequential and they can't even enforce it; not to mention the many homosexual and pedophilic scandals tied to the Party make it quite funny that the stance they take is anti- and not pro.

Anti immigration: Rallying against migrant hordes that don't exist, and the reason for not existing is simple: Hungary fucking sucks and not even the dumbest Eritrean gorilla nigger wanting EU gibs would settle for this shithole, they all want to be in Germany, France, the UK, whatever. Actually, I wasn't entirely honest: migrant hordes do exist, it's a very real problem. It's 100 thousand (country's population is 9.5 million) of [mostly single men]non-EU guest workers, mainly from Southeast Asia, Pakistan, India, Filipinos, etc. that Orban personally shoveled into the country to fill labor gaps in factories, construction, and for whatever fucked reason food delivery. Explain to me how an industrial demographic sellout benefits Hungary's cultural homogenity?
(Important side note here.: The Brusselite baby-eating lizard boogeyman is campaigning on restricting the amount of non-EU guest jeets to 0 and this basically has universal support among the populace, left or right, so he would be retarded not to take the populist angle on this; the only reason Orban doesn't do it is (you guessed right) him being directly paid to flood Europe with Asian economic interests and human cattle.)

National sovereignty: Handing Hungary over to Chinese and Russian interests while begging for EU money, masterful gambit. I have to continue malding about the factories: Hungary is now affectionately referred to as Europe's battery capital by luring giants like CATL, BYD, etc and giving them hundreds of millions of euros in state aid, land grants, infrastructural perks. But why Hungary? Because noone else takes the bait. There isn't another retard in the EU who would be willing to ruin its own economy, soil, compromise their natural resources and the health of its citizens. There's a reason it's Hungary that's full of these and it isn't because Orban is such good buddies with the Chinks that they are doing him a great favour for graciously bringing their toxic sludge to Hungary. Battery factories (especially the Chinese ones) are things literally out of some Renaissance artist's depiction of Hell- right, left, liberal, conservative, it doesn't matter which angle you look at it from you want 0 of them in either White Wakanda, the European Federation, or your isolationist communist utopia. None. Anyone unironically defending them or their existence I'd like to invite to taste a glass of NMP water from the Debrecen soil. Even fucking India said no to BYD, what does that tell you?
Let's check in on the Russians: Orban expanded the Paks nuclear plant with 13 billion euros worth of Russian loans and a Rosatom contract, basically locking Hungary into Russian energy dependence despite the EU sanctions. Why would someone do that?! Surely it isn't the construction subcontracts snagged up by Orbanite stooges? Letting the Chinks and the Russians and the Israeli and everyone else do what they want is fucking based actually, and the true sovereignty is selling your country out for extremely short-term gains that exclusively benefits your direct, personal monetary interests but horrible by all other metrics: economic, cultural, political, etc.

TLDR.: You put any leftist, ultraliberal globalist trojan horse in charge of Hungarian policy and they literally couldn't dream of doing as much damage as Orban has already done; not only that but like half of what they would need to do has been established and done by Orban already under a different coat of paint. What you are talking about as rogue right-wing populism in the context of other parties that didn't live up to expectation in European Politics is what FIDESZ embodies. Don't be afraid of things being worse at this point as they physically can't be, the only thing that can go wrong is that the economic, cultural and even spiritual rot manifesting itself as the Hungarian state party continues to fester freely.
 
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Oxyjen said:
I forgot all about the energy minister! Yeah, I guess they’re just not very good at corruption.
If that had happened in the UK or US it would have been slightly more subtle, and they’d have gotten away with it with no repercussions.
See Baroness Mone, or like any Trump crony or family member you care to think of.
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Having a kid in a 200k a year private school in Switzerland was too much on the nose. A friendly (((businessman))) could've made up a fake ass scholarship as cover.
 
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latinlover said:
Don't be afraid of things being worse at this point as they physically can't be
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It can always get worse, now I have no say in what happens in Hungary, so I think the healthy approach is just to let what will happen come to pass.
So if they actually champion policy that puts hungarian citizens and nation first I'll be pleasantly surprised, while if they let homosexuals and migrants run loose and get protected status I won't be shocked.

Anyhow, here's to hoping Iran wasting their munitions on the arabs and jews mean less for Russia to lob at Ukraine
 
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