Culture 'There will be dad and mum': Putin rules out Russia legalizing gay marriage

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THU FEB 13, 2020 / 12:11 PM EST
'There will be dad and mum': Putin rules out Russia legalizing gay marriage

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Russian President Vladimir Putin chairs a meeting with members of the working group on proposals for amendments to the Russian Constitution at the Novo-Ogaryovo state residence outside Moscow, Russia February 13, 2020. Sputnik/Alexei Druzhinin/Kremlin via
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(Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday Russia would not legalize gay marriage as long as he was in the Kremlin.
He made clear he would not allow the traditional notion of mother and father to be subverted by what he called "parent number 1" and "parent number 2".

"As far as 'parent number 1' and 'parent number 2' goes, I've already spoken publicly about this and I'll repeat it again: as long as I'm president this will not happen. There will be dad and mum," Putin said.

During his two decades in power, Putin has closely aligned himself with the Orthodox Church and sought to distance Russia from liberal Western values, including attitudes toward homosexuality and gender fluidity.

He made the comments as he met a state commission to discuss changes to Russia's constitution.

The commission was set up last month after Putin announced sweeping changes to Russia's political system that are widely seen as being designed to help him extend his grip on power after his scheduled departure from office in 2024.

Other proposals have since been put forward and Putin was asked to comment on a proposal to add a line in the constitution defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

"We need only to think in what phrases and where to do this," he replied.

In separate comments during the meeting, Putin said he backed an idea to make it unconstitutional for Russia to give away any part of its territory, a move likely to irritate Japan and Ukraine that have land disputes with Moscow.

Russia annexed the peninsula of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and has been in a decades-long dispute with Tokyo over ownership of a chain of islands in the Pacific that Moscow seized from Japan at the end of World War Two.

Russia and Japan have been holding talks on the latter dispute which has prevented the countries formally signing a peace treaty after World War Two.

"We have talks under way with our partners on certain questions, but I like the idea itself," Putin said. "So let's instruct the lawyers, ask them to formulate this in the right way."

(Reporting by Tom Balmforth; Editing by Timothy Heritage)

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Not terribly surprising considering the lgbt+ anti-propaganda laws they have there, but it is interesting they are considering codifying something like this at their constitutional reformation.
 
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Arctic Fox said:
I'm more interested in the territorial disputes with Japan than Russia not liking gay marriage. The Japs lost those islands, they can go fuck themselves.
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An interesting part of the story buried for sure, but I'm not sure pragmatic Russian oligarchs would want to be hamstrung by a law that could conceivably cause them a lot less pragmatic solutions over some 5 acre desolate island they once claimed somewhere (not saying that's the case here because I know nothing about this dispute).
 
Forever Sunrise said:
Russian culture is still very much anti-gay, however. It's not just Putin or some Orthodox Church loons. Homosexuality is seen as inherently shameful and non-masculine. You will be actively discriminated against if you are openly gay in Russia, as a matter of course. I believe there have even been murders and lynchings. It is by no means inevitable that gay rights come to Russia.
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Well; I'm by no means a believer in the Liberal end of history mythos but I do believe in Cultural Darwinism. That is to say, the culture with the most output will ultimately subsume and take over cultures around it.

I think the rise of Americanism is good evidence of that, and its rise has only accelerated further since the creation of the internet.

Many cultures have found homosexuality abominable, and yet we find ourselves in a world where avowedly Christian nations like Ireland and America permit gay marriage.

I don't consider myself a proponent of Globalhomo, but certain mindsets are going to become wholly unsustainable in the future unless Russia actually shuts its borders and bans the internet entirely. Putin is riding on his own personal Charisma and the novelty of religion in a post-Soviet eastern Europe. It's not going to take them too long to remember why they fucked the Orthodox Church out of power again once their Charlemagne is dead.

It doesn't matter if it's a good or a bad thing; traditional morality is dead. We currently live in what Nietzche described as the "Shadow of God", and ultimately short of a world calamity that will receed from everywhere.
 
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Well; I'm by no means a believer in the Liberal end of history mythos but I do believe in Cultural Darwinism. That is to say, the culture with the most output will ultimately subsume and take over cultures around it.

I think the rise of Americanism is good evidence of that, and its rise has only accelerated further since the creation of the internet.

Many cultures have found homosexuality abominable, and yet we find ourselves in a world where avowedly Christian nations like Ireland and America permit gay marriage.

I don't consider myself a proponent of Globalhomo, but certain mindsets are going to become wholly unsustainable in the future unless Russia actually shuts its borders and bans the internet entirely. Putin is riding on his own personal Charisma and the novelty of religion in a post-Soviet eastern Europe. It's not going to take them too long to remember why they fucked the Orthodox Church out of power again once their Charlemagne is dead.

It doesn't matter if it's a good or a bad thing; traditional morality is dead. We currently live in what Nietzche described as the "Shadow of God", and ultimately short of a world calamity that will receed from everywhere.
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What about Islam? They are not going anywhere for a long time but it is in their end of days revelations that there will come a time when it will die off and people will say religious Islamic things and not know what they mean except that their grandparents used to say it.
 
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What about Islam? They are not going anywhere for a long time but it is in their end of days revelations that there will come a time when it will die off and people will say religious Islamic things and not know what they mean except that their grandparents used to say it.
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I think Islam would be better divided into two types for the purposes of this question. I know there are a multitude of ethnic and political schools of jurisprudence but for this purpose a far more crude split is all that matters; Political "Islamism" and what I will call "Ethnic Islam".

"Ethnic Islam" is for want of a better term Islam within an Islamic country that doesn't feel pressure from any outside forces; compare it to Cultural Catholicism if you will. It can take a multitude of forms, from hardline religious fanaticism as found in Saudi Arabia to the rather more mellowed out secular forms in Turkey and pre-Ayatollah Khomeini Iran.

In these countries, they're feeling the encroaching influence of other cultures. Saudi Arabia a few years ago decided to introduce mandatory Theology lessons for all male university students due to what it described as an "Atheism epidemic". It's not immediately apparent on the surface and change is slow, but you can trace the encroachment of foreign influences on their way of life (such as women driving).

"Political Islamism" is a very different beast entirely; the vast majority of its proponents while devout Muslims tend to be westerners. Is it a reaction against the native culture? Is it the cry of the oppressed? A death rattle of a lost time? There's a few opinions on the matter, but think of it this way. If there was any chance that a Caliphate could rise in any one of the European territories; do you think their neighbours would have any qualms about laying them to absolute waste with every weapon they had? I don't think they would so much as blink, and that is the worst-case scenario possible.

Islam is a threat, make no mistake; but the currently supreme western culture hasn't even levied half the weapons it has against it. If the west wanted to "end" Islam, it could at any moment it wanted with half a dozens nukes on Mecca and surrounding power centres. Of course nobody wants to because it would lead to huge loss of life and they would want to find another way, but if they had to make no mistake just like back trying to quell Japan back in WW2; they would.
 
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Gay Marriage wasn't very likely, but a civil union here was entirely within the realm of possibility, as well as actually starting to pay attention to homosexual murders.

But then you western faggots had to prove that the slippery slope doesn't just exist, but is worse than any priest could have told his flock here and not be laughed at. Quite honestly, I do not like Putin, but I will agree with him on this. All because the west has proved that yes, people will start to lube themselves up and belly side down that slope with 12 fucking dildos in their ass and a child on their cock.
 
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>no gay marriage whilst im in the Kremlin
Is a progressive Russian leader even possible?
 
What a shitty headline. Marriage is not parenting, parenting is not marriage.
I support gay marriage, but I also think a child should have at most one living parent of each of the two sexes.

Anyway, Putin had said he would never ever ever fuck with the Constitution, and look how that turned out.

Social "progress" follows the interests of the elites. In 15 years, the kleptocrats' grandchildren, born and raised in the West, will grow up, and if Russia still exists gay marriage will whoosh through the parliament faster than a parliamentary salary increase.
 
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Aaa0aaa0 said:
F to my russian gay squad hoping for a different outcome, but I'm sure if you're there you werent that optimistic in the first place. Idk if they have civil unions or variation of those in Russia, if they dont maybe that will be the easier route atm.
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The civil unions are called Cossack barracks and they'll whip them into loving mother russia.
 
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Although I was eventually won over by the argument "how is it gonna hurt you?", I still maintained it was a slippery slope and had reservations about the whole thing.

In retrospect, I think that those who felt this way have been largely proven right. Everything had been chill until that line was crossed, and now look.
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You are correct and that really sucks, because once upon a time the "slippery slope" argument sounded like such an asshole thing to say, but the test of time has proven it to not be so ridiculous.
 
I hear Americans screeching about this online but it should be up to Russian citizens to discuss how this affects them and why they agree or don't.
Either way I'm a fag so don't expect me to visit Russia anytime soon.
 
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This reminds me of Alexander Solzhenitsyn's speech at Harvard:

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Center — A World Split Apart

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s 1978 Harvard commencement address was the most controversial and commented-upon public speech he delivered during his exile in the West, for he critiqued the spiritual crisis of both East and West.
www.solzhenitsyncenter.org www.solzhenitsyncenter.org

Well worth a read, and still relevant 42 years later
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Just finished watching the video of his speech:


He basically called everything that happened in the succeeding decades, he called out the death of spirit that occurs within a complacently materialistic society, the resulting moral/mental decline of the populace, the culpability of the media/intelligentsia, and even pointing out how China was going to bite the West in the ass, though a bit overly dramatic with the genocide bit at 43:40.
 
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Many cultures have found homosexuality abominable, and yet we find ourselves in a world where avowedly Christian nations like Ireland and America permit gay marriage.
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Orthodoxy prides itself on being unchanging to an almost autistic degree. It's been using the same liturgy for over 1500 years and the church teachings have remained constant since the First Council of Nicaea. As long as it remains a part of the Russian culture, don't expect homosexuality to be widely accepted in Russia.

Fagatron said:
I don't consider myself a proponent of Globalhomo, but certain mindsets are going to become wholly unsustainable in the future unless Russia actually shuts its borders and bans the internet entirely. Putin is riding on his own personal Charisma and the novelty of religion in a post-Soviet eastern Europe. It's not going to take them too long to remember why they fucked the Orthodox Church out of power again once their Charlemagne is dead.
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The church lost power due to communism. It wasn't due to any real problem with the church. It was still popular enough with the Russian people in the middle of communist rule for Stalin to relax the ban on religion during WWII.
 
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I'm a supporter of whatever consenting adults - mind you ADULTS - do in their own bedroom. I don't care, that's fine, they're consenting people. I think parenting - whether of a nuclear family unit, single parents, what have you - no matter what the gender of the parents are, it's a breakdown of morality. I think there's more of a moral issue of the raising of children than marriage. I genuinely give honestly no fucks who you marry as long as it's consenting adults. It's what adults do that fuck the rest of the youngin's up.

I agree the lack of morality (MOGAI and while not every LGBT, quite a lot of them) has decided to descend on showing the tots their horse urine and tiddy sprinkles- two guys/girls/whatevers boinking it in their bedroom is not directly causing this degeneracy. It's how they act outside of it that's the issue. I do think it's dumb to keep fighting this fight cause I don't think the government should tell me and another consenting adult should do for legal/tax reasons.

But considering Russians are not the sharpest knives in the drawer, I don't blame them for thinking marriage = raising children. I mean if they're gay do you really want them to fake it and raise their children in secret? Like, let them neuter themselves and just not let them raise kids if you're that worried.
 
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