The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

  • Total voters
    992
  • Poll closed .
Status
Not open for further replies.
Can't believe you got neg-rated for this. Derek kept his knee on George's neck for two minutes AFTER he passed out. Even if he didn't actually kill George, it's still criminally negligent.
I get negrated because A&H is full of /pol/fags who hate everyone but themselves. Defending Chauvin's actions by saying 'Floyd would have died from the overdose' doesn't excuse his actions being wrong - just that they may not have killed Floyd. For the record, I think Chauvin didn't intend to kill him - but he certainly acted negligently enough to ensure that Floyd died.
 
Can't believe you got neg-rated for this. Derek kept his knee on George's neck for two minutes AFTER he passed out. Even if he didn't actually kill George, it's still criminally negligent.
There was no bruising of any of the skin layers or the neck muscles, you can't apply pressure that can kill for 10 minutes and leave no bruising.
He deserves his negrates.
 
I get negrated because A&H is full of /pol/fags who hate everyone but themselves. Defending Chauvin's actions by saying 'Floyd would have died from the overdose' doesn't excuse his actions being wrong - just that they may not have killed Floyd. For the record, I think Chauvin didn't intend to kill him - but he certainly acted negligently enough to ensure that Floyd died.
I'm sorry. Nothing personal against you or what you said, I am overall numb of the whole case.
 
I get negrated because A&H is full of /pol/fags who hate everyone but themselves. Defending Chauvin's actions by saying 'Floyd would have died from the overdose' doesn't excuse his actions being wrong - just that they may not have killed Floyd. For the record, I think Chauvin didn't intend to kill him - but he certainly acted negligently enough to ensure that Floyd died.
I can think of a few reasons that sit on top of my head why you got negrated.
 
There was no bruising of any of the skin layers or the neck muscles, you can't apply pressure that can kill for 10 minutes and leave no bruising.
He deserves his negrates.
You... can though. Essentially if you apply enough pressure to restrict the arteries bringing blood into the brain, you can cause someone with a heart condition to enter cardiac arrest. The brain thinks it's not getting enough blood, which causes the heart to pump faster, which then fails from the sheer demands the brain is placing on it, even if it isn't needed. This is why you can kill someone by firing a gun next to them, or through jumping around a corner and shouting 'ooga booga booga' at them. For that matter, from the way Floyd was on the ground, he'd be having some trouble breathing - he's not a small man, and behind the back restraints do constrict the airway a bit. If he's already experiencing panic, the effect of drugs, etc. etc. the action of the officer restraining him like that could easily kill him.
 
1617058830475.png


A blood choke huh? Was the BJJ potential jury candidate also a witness? Well, if so, good thing its almost impossible to kill with a blood choke, unless say, you were on heavy drugs that you didn't tell mister police officer.
 
View attachment 2040588

A blood choke huh? Was the BJJ potential jury candidate also a witness? Well, if so, good thing its almost impossible to kill with a blood choke, unless say, you were on heavy drugs that you didn't tell mister police officer.
It can also kill you by causing a heart attack. Or through asphyxiation. Blood being cut off to the brain will kill you.

EDIT - Let me explain the asphyxiation thing because people seem to not get that choking isn't the only way to asphyxiate someone. You can with minor pressure, cut off blood supply to the brain. That's what a choke hold is, done properly - it doesn't risk damaging the windpipe, it doesn't put too much pressure on someone's neck, but it DOES cut off the artery that supplies fresh blood to the brain. Without fresh blood, the brain doesn't get oxygen, and you pass out. This is also why choke holds are really, really dangerous, and can cause brain damage. A rule of thumb is 4 minutes - the brain can survive for about 2 minutes without a supply of oxygenated blood and return to pretty much full function. 3 starts to go into brain damage, 4 gets into brain death.
 
Last edited:
I keep thinking of that Newswipe episode where Charlie Booker pointed out the same day there was massive peace protests in Ireland the same day a shooting in Germany happened. Guess what got covered for 24/7?

I say this because I hope you all realize this is going to be milked by the same shitbag talking heads who only want you angry and watching. This trial means nothing to 95% of all Americans. But they will make it seem like life and death.

This is going to be the only news for the next month. Buckle in, or be smart, turn off everything, and deal with your own life and everything you can control. I'm going to put my money where my mouth is, and not even follow this thread from here. I'll miss out on funny memes and moments, but the mental anguish i'[m saving myself from is more worth it.
 
So any medical big brains in here? They are gonna try the "level of fent in george wasn't lethal because he's a seasoned user of it." approach. Bold gambit, but isn't the whole thing with fent is that like 2 specks of it can kill like a busload of people. Or did DARE lie to me again?
It depends on how often he used, the purity, and on his body size - and random chance to a degree. Your body does build up a resistance to drugs, which is part of the reason opioid overdoses happen frequently - users need more and more drugs to get the same high, and eventually they press their body too far as it's building up a resistance.
 
You... can though. Essentially if you apply enough pressure to restrict the arteries bringing blood into the brain, you can cause someone with a heart condition to enter cardiac arrest. The brain thinks it's not getting enough blood, which causes the heart to pump faster, which then fails from the sheer demands the brain is placing on it, even if it isn't needed. [a bunch of shit that doesn't apply in this case].
If you apply pressure directly to the arteries for 12 seconds you can kill someone (you will still likely leave bruises), you can't restrict blood flow with a knee on the back half of the neck using so little pressure the subject can freely move his head around, and you don't leave bruises.
Also as that is trained as a restraint technique, you will have to argue that the state trained him do do something that could kill, then prove that he knew it could kill to get a conviction.
 
Standard procedure is to shift from the neck hold to another restraint ASAP as suffocation can and will result, especially with a suspect on their front. You only use the neckhold until you can apply other means. Even if someone is dying, if you take efforts to speed that death along, or doing things that can cause death isn't smart.

You're also not supposed to restrain suspects on the ground face down for a long period for the same reason. It can kill people, and it has killed people - you're supposed to prop them up against something - I doubt Floyd could have gotten his feet under him to try to stand if they'd sat him up , and it's relatively easy to press someone trying to get up like that back to the ground. He picked the worst possible way of restraining him, as a 'shoulder press' can quickly turn into a neck press and cut off circulation or the windpipe, if you're positioning yourself high up on the body.
Other folks addressed why the situation played out the way it did, watch the bodycams in full instead of the media cuts. And this wasn't a neck hold, the fact you leverage your whole paragraph on that incorrect assumption is why people are disagreeing with you.
 
It can also kill you by causing a heart attack. Or through asphyxiation. Blood being cut off to the brain will kill you.
Yes, after about 30 mins to an hour. In BJJ, blood chokes are purposely smiled upon to be applied full force at all age ranges because even resisting the urge to tap out, it isn't going to kill you for a while after you would pass out. A throat/airway choke on the other hand, is not given such leisure, and can be deadly very quickly. Also, blood chokes squeeze your two main arties you mention, on the SIDES of your neck, and in order to effectively choke, you need to cut both off. This is of course baring the fact he mostly kneeled on his back, which would have no bearing on the blood flow.

That said, Floyd under heavy drugs can add a lot of variables, but if the cop has no evidence he's on drugs, he isn't going to treat a 30 yr old 6 foot, fit black man like a 60 yr old white man with a pacemaker, sorry. These are the kind of objections that show you have never been in a physical conflict, and no number of physical conflicts make you perfect for ANYTHING.
 
It depends on how often he used, the purity, and on his body size - and random chance to a degree. Your body does build up a resistance to drugs, which is part of the reason opioid overdoses happen frequently - users need more and more drugs to get the same high, and eventually they press their body too far as it's building up a resistance.
Oh I know tolerance, the old devil's lettuce doesn't hit me like it used to since I blaze it all day every day. Just that everything I heard about fent is they make it into the most lethal drug ever, that just gazing upon it too long can send you into a shock.

In other news, when the hell did Salvation Army need a security guard. You got a whole army there! Before anyone response, I'm well aware what salvation army is.
 
So any medical big brains in here? They are gonna try the "level of fent in george wasn't lethal because he's a seasoned user of it." approach. Bold gambit, but isn't the whole thing with fent is that like 2 specks of it can kill like a busload of people. Or did DARE lie to me again?
the dude had like 4 different drugs in his system all at once (fentanyl, meth, caffeine, cannabis)
mixing potent stimulants (meth and caffeine) with potent depressants (fentanyl and weed) is generally a very bad idea, can have wild and unpredictable effects sometimes
 
the dude had like 4 different drugs in his system all at once (fentanyl, meth, caffeine, cannabis)
mixing potent stimulants (meth and caffeine) with potent depressants (fentanyl and weed) is generally a very bad idea, can have wild and unpredictable effects sometimes
And was positive for the WuFlu.
Edit: Weed is a hallucinogen not a depressant.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back