The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%

  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%

  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%

  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%
  • Total voters
    992
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Joe Rogan's reaction to the trial is going to be epic. He will talk all about with his upcoming guest Viva Frie, a lawyer. And it's gonna be so fun to watch you wouldn't believe it. It's gonna be like nothing you've ever seen. All you have to do is go to spotify it's FREE, yeah that's right, it's FREE today on spotify, go check it out. All you have to do is create an account
 
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Banditotron said:
You do know what a jury is, right? Members of a jury are not exactly part of the system. At all.
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...until, although only 13% of the population, they make up 60% of the jurors on a racially charged trial. That, and the fact that the jury is also majority female, tells me that the fix is in.
 
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SITHRAK! said:
...until, although only 13% of the population, they make up 60% of the jurors on a racially charged trial. That, and the fact that the jury is also majority female, tells me that the fix is in.
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RIP for Derek

There was no way they were going to let him walk after [[[they]]] turned Fentanyl Floyd into a martyr. Best he can hope for is a minimum of assrape or protective custody. Or maybe just maybe the jewdical system in the US lets an innocent man be free.
 
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AcidityLiquidity said:
RIP for Derek

There was no way they were going to let him walk after [[[they]]] turned Fentanyl Floyd into a martyr. Best he can hope for is a minimum of assrape or protective custody. Or maybe just maybe the jewdical system in the US lets an innocent man be free.
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they're gonna throw the book at him just to prevent the city from burning even though he's innocent.
 
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BrokenLightbulbs said:
Point blank... no. If you genuinely believe this, every other opinion you have is questionable at best.
I could relate detailed case studies (accident investigations) by OSHA, but I'm not going to power level over a stupid argument so I'll say this:

If you have air in your lungs, you can speak with that air. There are more muscles available in the body to hold air in your lungs than there are to inhale. Only your diaphragm can inflate your lungs. Unless you're a true retard with zero situational awareness and complete lack of bodily autonomy, you will be able to identify yourself in a situation where you will not be able to breathe.

On the OSHA note: individuals that are crushed to death by falling into machinery or by having objects fall on them will appear to consciously cry out when in fact they are already dead or are a literal fraction of a second from being dead. The rapid expulsion of air forces the stimulation of the vocal cords.
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Alright, maybe you can scream "fuck" as a 20 foot long corn harvester forcefully relocates your lungs to your rectum, but I don't think you're gonna be able to yell "fuck" repeatedly.

It seems like the majority of people couching that argument seem to focus on the fact that he was constantly saying he couldn't breathe, which isn't really comparable to having your diaphragm treated like an empty tube of toothpaste, and Floyd was either flipping out or playing it up.

Was it the pressure on his back? Or a partial cutoff? Because I'm struggling to see how the idea that if you can talk, you aren't being choked out, isn't just wrong, but THAT wrong.
 
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Tleilaxian said:
Are you thinking about the Mexican that shot the nigger in the hoodie?

Because the Zimmerman/Trayvon case was a race baiting media circus clusterfuck as well.
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Don’t forget that the DA and prosecutor in the Zimmerman trial conspired to put a false witness (Jeantel) on the stand and coached her to lie under oath.
Neither of them was disbarred when the truth came out.
 
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Fields Of Rye said:
Alright, maybe you can scream "fuck" as a 20 foot long corn harvester forcefully relocates your lungs to your rectum, but I don't think you're gonna be able to yell "fuck" repeatedly.
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More nonsense.
It's common for professional singers to be able to draw out a note for over a minute. The world record is just seconds short of two minutes.
Again, unless you're panting like a retard, you can do quite a lot with a single lungful of air.
I was able to read aloud both your quote and my own reply on a single breath and I still had air left.
 
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albert chan said:
>when you’re the only black person that doesn’t think Chauvin was guilt
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albert chan said:
No one is saying that everyone involved is perfect or in any way an angel, but no one is going to justify the media and journalists for trying to force more rioting and chaos by people who are either guilt-tripped or gullible enough to do it,

It’s going to be a long three months and you’ll see why #DefundThePolice is a terrible mistake.
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Ah yes, sane (non-Liberal) Black people. The only oppressed minority in the US.
 
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Here are the Minnesota charges

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
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Sec. 609.195 MN Statutes

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(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.
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609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
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Sec. 609.205 MN Statutes

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A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

(2) by shooting another with a firearm or other dangerous weapon as a result of negligently believing the other to be a deer or other animal; or

(3) by setting a spring gun, pit fall, deadfall, snare, or other like dangerous weapon or device; or

(4) by negligently or intentionally permitting any animal, known by the person to have vicious propensities or to have caused great or substantial bodily harm in the past, to run uncontrolled off the owner's premises, or negligently failing to keep it properly confined; or

(5) by committing or attempting to commit a violation of section 609.378 (neglect or endangerment of a child), and murder in the first, second, or third degree is not committed thereby.

If proven by a preponderance of the evidence, it shall be an affirmative defense to criminal liability under clause (4) that the victim provoked the animal to cause the victim's death.
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609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
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Subdivision 1.Intentional murder; drive-by shootings.​


Whoever does either of the following is guilty of murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of that person or another, but without premeditation; or
(2) causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit a drive-by shooting in violation of section 609.66, subdivision 1e, under circumstances other than those described in section 609.185, paragraph (a), clause (3).

Subd. 2.Unintentional murders.​


Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or
(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.
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I have highlighted what I believe are the relevant sections of each charge. Corrections welcome.

The first two charges are dead if the defense brings forth the knee hold being a standard part of police training. You are not going to get jurors to convict a police officer for "an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind" or "person creates an unreasonable risk" when it is what they have been trained to do.

And the third charge makes even less sense since the autopsy shows no life injuries to Floyd beyond what you would expect from a simple scuffle with police. I don't see how a conviction is possible on this charge. This charge would make sense if Floyd was struck repeatedly with a baton and then died later from those injuries.

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The most important thing to take away from this text is:

  1. The text for each charge is specific to Minnesota
  2. Manslaughter is not just a lesser form of Murder - the requirements for the three charges are difference in kind - not degree
  3. Jurors take their jobs seriously and are going to be using these three sets of charging text meticulously as to whether the facts presented by the prosecution are sufficient to bring back a guilty verdict in any one of them.
 
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What's a hung jury? Like indecisive based on evidence?
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The jury votes have to be unanimous one way or the other. If one juror decides to be.a contrary prick they can just refused to go along with the votes. If the judge decides the situation can't change, this is called a 'hung jury' and is grounds for a mistrial.

A mistrial is the best outcome for Chauvin next to not guilty on all counts.
 
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