The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%

  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%

  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%

  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%
  • Total voters
    992
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Techpriest said:
It can also kill you by causing a heart attack. Or through asphyxiation. Blood being cut off to the brain will kill you.

EDIT - Let me explain the asphyxiation thing because people seem to not get that choking isn't the only way to asphyxiate someone. You can with minor pressure, cut off blood supply to the brain. That's what a choke hold is, done properly - it doesn't risk damaging the windpipe, it doesn't put too much pressure on someone's neck, but it DOES cut off the artery that supplies fresh blood to the brain. Without fresh blood, the brain doesn't get oxygen, and you pass out. This is also why choke holds are really, really dangerous, and can cause brain damage. A rule of thumb is 4 minutes - the brain can survive for about 2 minutes without a supply of oxygenated blood and return to pretty much full function. 3 starts to go into brain damage, 4 gets into brain death.
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My career requires extensive knowledge of head and neck anatomy. I’d just like to say that there are multiple points, both from having watched the full video and reading the autopsy report, which absolutely do not support asphyxia or a ‘blood choke’ as the cause of death.
That’s the problem with being a self-taught amateur looking to justify a stupid opinion. Sooner or later you’re going to come up against someone with a degree and extensive practical knowledge who isn’t fooled by your bullshit.
No anatomical damage to the neck, throat or trachea. No haemorrhages in the sclera, oral mucosa, meninges etc. No bruising. Arterial compression, especially carotid compression, will absolutely cause minor blood vessels and capillaries at the site to rupture and bruise.
Basically, you’re speculating and trying to sound like you know what you’re talking about, but frankly, it’s clear that you’re trying to use what-ifs and how-abouts to get around the cold, hard facts. And the facts are that Floyd died because he was a diseased, junkie piece of shit, not because of a choke or neck compression.
 
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JohnDoe said:
The jury votes have to be unanimous one way or the other. If one juror decides to be.a contrary prick they can just refused to go along with the votes. If the judge decides the situation can't change, this is called a 'hung jury' and is grounds for a mistrial.

A mistrial is the best outcome for Chauvin next to not guilty on all counts.
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Yeah, easiest way to remember "hung jury" is a jury that is hung up on details and can't make a clear deliberation, and a mistrial for Chauvin with more not-guilty votes could mean the case is thrown out, and Minneapolis becomes scorched earth.
 
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SITHRAK! said:
...until, although only 13% of the population, they make up 60% of the jurors on a racially charged trial. That, and the fact that the jury is also majority female, tells me that the fix is in.
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Literally every single juror has admitted they not only saw the video but personally dislike Derek Chauvin. Yet, they decided he can somehow get a fair trial under these circumstances. They literally disqualified at least one juror for disagreeing with COVID lockdowns because that proved the juror must somehow love pigs and hate George Floyd.
 
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KiwiFuzz said:
Finally, for the people who live in "vibrant" neighborhoods, the waiting period to buy a gun in California is 10 days. You can get a 12 gauge for $300. If you really think you're at risk, the time to get ready is now.
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It’s a really bad time to be living in an area with lots of angry niggers, not much ammo, and no Castle Doctrine.
 
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BrokenLightbulbs said:
Yeah, easiest way to remember "hung jury" is a jury that is hung up on details and can't make a clear deliberation, and a mistrial for Chauvin with more not-guilty votes could mean the case is thrown out, and Minneapolis becomes scorched earth.
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In that case, Chauvin will have to leave town. The country.
 
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Shield Breaker said:
One or more jurors who disagree with the rest of the jury on the verdict.
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And the jury reports to the judge that they have no reasonable expectation that anyone is going to change their vote no matter how many more times they return to the jury chamber.

Juries will come back claiming they are hung only to sent back for more deliberations where a verdict is finally agreed upon.
 
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JohnDoe said:
The jury votes have to be unanimous one way or the other. If one juror decides to be.a contrary prick they can just refused to go along with the votes. If the judge decides the situation can't change, this is called a 'hung jury' and is grounds for a mistrial.

A mistrial is the best outcome for Chauvin next to not guilty on all counts.
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Pretty naive to think that neither the state nor the other jurors would threaten defectors.
 
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Regardless of the outcome, I expect REEEEEing and lots of it, so that's how I voted on the poll. Also, if this isn't your soundtrack for this circus and frankly all of last year and all of the current year also, then you are doing it wrong. Youtube video very much related. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB-qWovaCLo
 
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SITHRAK! said:
...until, although only 13% of the population, they make up 60% of the jurors on a racially charged trial. That, and the fact that the jury is also majority female, tells me that the fix is in.
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Muh BBC, and no, not the news agency.
Given an all-white-female jury, I bet you could acquit 90% of violent black criminals.
At least black females are less likely to deliberate under the shadow of "black ppl scary, don't upset them".
 
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AnOminous said:
So you're also a toxicologist on top of all that other shit you said.
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Chronic heart disease, and the presence of just about every recreational drug known to man in his tox screen, point to chronic substance abuse and very likely an extremely shitty diet and lifestyle.
The level of fentanyl in his screen was sufficient to be the direct cause of death, and no physical findings support neck compression, asphyxia, choking or anything else as the primary cause of death. People have died of overdoses on half the blood concentration of fentanyl the Floyd had at the time of his death.
I may not be a toxicologist but I don’t have to be to put two and two together.
 
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BrokenLightbulbs said:
If you have air in your lungs, you can speak with that air. There are more muscles available in the body to hold air in your lungs than there are to inhale. Only your diaphragm can inflate your lungs. Unless you're a true retard with zero situational awareness and complete lack of bodily autonomy, you will be able to identify yourself in a situation where you will not be able to breathe.
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I’m going to powerlevel a smidge, but as someone who was on the receiving end of an assault, even with air in your lungs, if your windpipe is pressed down on you can’t breathe, scream, talk, or do much of anything except suffocate and drown on your own spit. Even if you manage to push air out to scream, at most you’re getting a ragged cough that tears your throat up.

So...not to say you’re wrong, but it’s hard for me to buy the can’t breathe narrative because 1) I’ve seen the video and knowhe was saying it before the knee came down, and 2) that phrase makes sense to me based on personal experience.
 
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BrokenLightbulbs said:
Muh BBC, and no, not the news agency.
Given an all-white-female jury, I bet you could acquit 90% of violent black criminals.
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Women. Can't be comedians. Can't do push ups. Can't drive. Can't draw with pee. Can't be non-biased in a jury. Can't intimidate. Can't do anything.

Therefore, I purpose all cops should be women. That way when a dumb ass angry Latina is kneeling on my neck, I can actully have an erection without having to pay money for it for once and she will fuck up the hold so I'll only be lightly inconvenienced instead of getting KO'ed.
 
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SITHRAK! said:
Chronic heart disease, and the presence of just about every recreational drug known to man in his tox screen, point to chronic substance abuse and very likely an extremely shitty diet and lifestyle.
The level of fentanyl in his screen was sufficient to be the direct cause of death, and no physical findings support neck compression, asphyxia, choking or anything else as the primary cause of death. People have died of overdoses on half the blood concentration of fentanyl the Floyd had at the time of his death.
I may not be a toxicologist but I don’t have to be to put two and two together.
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I'm not sure why people are pulling the 'oh look at the experts' line other than they are upset that the quality of the evidence for the charges is not so solid as they have read in the MSM.

The defense does not have to prove the drugs Floyd ingested or his multitude of other health problems killed him. They just need to be enough for the jury to not be able to reasonable rule them out as the cause of death of Floyd.
 
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SITHRAK! said:
Chronic heart disease, and the presence of just about every recreational drug known to man in his tox screen, point to chronic substance abuse and very likely an extremely shitty diet and lifestyle.
The level of fentanyl in his screen was sufficient to be the direct cause of death, and no physical findings support neck compression, asphyxia, choking or anything else as the primary cause of death. People have died of overdoses on half the blood concentration of fentanyl the Floyd had at the time of his death.
I may not be a toxicologist but I don’t have to be to put two and two together.
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I only know of one actual medical doctor who did an actual autopsy, and that guy concluded: "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." Since I'm not a medical doctor, I have no basis to challenge that. I think a good legal team could create some reasonable doubt about that but we also have a jury that has more or less openly stated that they already hate Derek Chauvin.
 
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