[20-Aug-2022] Another React stream [TIHYDP MGS2] + DarkSydeHoarder - He was only pretended to be retarded, everyone.

[Cyber Bowling]

Okay pardon me speaking like a human being. I was being hyperbolic. Obviously Im referring to the specific subset (which is not small) of detractors that somehow think that watching Phil have everything work out for him is some sort of punishment and his life is falling apart at the seams. I'm not mad at Phil, I only watch because he's a living time capsule of sorts. The "bad" ending of a super successful youtube career. Whatever.

Like I said, and elaborated on, before it's just funny how many people are convinced that DSP wasting all of his money on things that he enjoys is him losing. Whatever the actual quantity of people is is irrelevant to me. I'm not keeping track. It's just a surprisingly large amount of copers

I 1000% (mostly) agree with your sentiment. I think the issue is, it doesn't apply to DSP.

So, back in the day, this used to be something, myself included, that others got a little more riled up about. We didn't know where the money was going, so we all had our various assumptions on what Phil was buying, assuming that it was something that he must be enjoying. Yeah, he was miserable on stream, but off stream he must have...something that he spends all that money on that makes him happy. Or people thought he was building a huge retirement fund so he could fuck off in a few years and live the rest of his life on vacation.

But now we know the money is going to Champions. Phil doesn't spend thousands of dollars on Champions because he enjoys Champions. On the contrary, Phil has actually had a few "see the light" moments where he's actively complained about how predatory and shitty mobile games are. Phil spends thousands of dollars because he's addicted. It's like Phil's streaming career. Walk into a casino and hang around the slots for awhile, you'll see people who are exactly like Phil. There might be the occasional dopamine hit or brief moments of happiness, sure, but we're talking incredibly fleeting, few minutes at a time.

Shockingly, Phil is right for once, these games are incredibly predatory. By nature, it's designed not to provide much satisfaction because satisfied players aren't going to whale out. Even when you "win" there's going to be a new challenge the next day you have to whale for to get to the top, and a bunch of new characters better than the last new character you spend hundreds, if not thousands of dollars trying to get/max out. And to make matters worse, you're ultimately competing against other whales, IIRC, Phil hasn't even managed to reach top 4 levels of bragging rights in any of the daily competitions we've seen. I think the highest he's gotten is like, 12th or something.

On paper, if you heard about someone who gets 100k+ a year to sit around in their pajamas and play video games for a few hours each day, it would sound like a dream job. Except then you actually watch Phil and you realize that (unless someone tipped recently) he's miserable and hates video games. You'd also assume someone like that would at least be good about video games and understand them, but Phil sucks and can't even comprehend basic gameplay information.

To go back to your first point, I think saying everything is "working out" for DSP is where people get unreasonable expectations. Because, typically, when they say working out, what they mean is Phil is still alive. Phil is an addict with no friends, no hobbies (for the reasons above, I don't count his addiction as a hobby because it's, well, an addiction) no prospects for the future (besides continuing to exist) nothing to be proud about, and no real family. There's a reason the dude has to grasp to a 4th place win and mall trophy from 20 years ago. But because he's not homeless and in prison, some people act like there's no justice in the world and karma doesn't exist. And even when bad stuff happens, because it isn't bad enough, they insist everything is working out in his favor. Hell, I bet even if Phil died, some people would say it wasn't enough because he deserved to suffer for years with some painful form of cancer. Don't get me wrong, I'd love if something big and juicy happened to really hurt Phil, but you can't set the bar too high otherwise you'll end up constantly disappointed. Not only with Phil, but pretty much all the cows on here.

 

[Iron Father]

Fucking well said.

 

[capefear56]

But if you're gonna be a whiner because others don't want to do autistic dirty work for your enjoyment that shits not gonna fly.

Because it's so hard to press a few buttons on a video where someone literally steals your content and you have the proof on your channel to show to the admins.

The kind of 'autistic dirty work' you're describing: hours upons hours of research to dox someone, bruteforcing a dude's bank info, creating dozens of accounts to mass flag multiple videos for months on end until one of the reports sticks. Driving to Washington and stalking Phil like a total creep.

The fact that he couldn't be bothered to do something this easy is not the same as judging someone for not wanting to spend hours of their free time or break the law to troll Phil. It was the easiest W in the world and he didn't take it because... reasons. I will 100% judge the fuck out of someone who's placed in his position and doesn't do anything about it.

 

[actually]

With some time to think on things, I would like to put forward this: it's not clear to me that EvilAJ could have actually struck Phil legitimately. Obivously, he or anyone else could superhound it and just false-flag, but think about this:

1) AJ's original video is Fair Use because it's a criticism of a work. Both that Sargon guy and H3H3's court rulings have made that clear. The exception here is that one cannot try and skirt copyright rules by "reacting" to a copyrighted work in full. Both AJ's editing and insertion of critical comments about Phil's videos clearly meet the standard of Fair Use.
2) Because Phil was "reacting" to AJ's video, I think one could reasonably argue that Phil's use also falls under Fair Use. Whether Phil re-uploading AJ's video to do is protected is something I'm not so clear on, but the fact that the re-upload was privated (and thus not available to a general public) would seem to mitigate that at somewhat by arguably acting as an archive.

I won't pretend to be an expert on Fair Use, but this seems like a good resource for trying to make a determination: https://libguides.colorado.edu/c.php?g=1154758&p=8428124

Based on that resource, I think AJ would have had a hard time trying to make a copyright claim.

 

[PieceofShet]

With some time to think on things, I would like to put forward this: it's not clear to me that EvilAJ could have actually struck Phil legitimately. Obivously, he or anyone else could superhound it and just false-flag, but think about this:

1) AJ's original video is Fair Use because it's a criticism of a work. Both that Sargon guy and H3H3's court rulings have made that clear. The exception here is that one cannot try and skirt copyright rules by "reacting" to a copyrighted work in full. Both AJ's editing and insertion of critical comments about Phil's videos clearly meet the standard of Fair Use.
2) Because Phil was "reacting" to AJ's video, I think one could reasonably argue that Phil's use also falls under Fair Use. Whether Phil re-uploading AJ's video to do is protected is something I'm not so clear on, but the fact that the re-upload was privated (and thus not available to a general public) would seem to mitigate that at somewhat by arguably acting as an archive.

I won't pretend to be an expert on Fair Use, but this seems like a good resource for trying to make a determination: https://libguides.colorado.edu/c.php?g=1154758&p=8428124

Based on that resource, I think AJ would have had a hard time trying to make a copyright claim.

What about dsp reuploading his video to his channel?

 

[Iron Father]

With some time to think on things, I would like to put forward this: it's not clear to me that EvilAJ could have actually struck Phil legitimately. Obivously, he or anyone else could superhound it and just false-flag, but think about this:

1) AJ's original video is Fair Use because it's a criticism of a work. Both that Sargon guy and H3H3's court rulings have made that clear. The exception here is that one cannot try and skirt copyright rules by "reacting" to a copyrighted work in full. Both AJ's editing and insertion of critical comments about Phil's videos clearly meet the standard of Fair Use.
2) Because Phil was "reacting" to AJ's video, I think one could reasonably argue that Phil's use also falls under Fair Use. Whether Phil re-uploading AJ's video to do is protected is something I'm not so clear on, but the fact that the re-upload was privated (and thus not available to a general public) would seem to mitigate that at somewhat by arguably acting as an archive.

I won't pretend to be an expert on Fair Use, but this seems like a good resource for trying to make a determination: https://libguides.colorado.edu/c.php?g=1154758&p=8428124

Based on that resource, I think AJ would have had a hard time trying to make a copyright claim.

Based on the fair use chart from your link, Phil's use of AJ's video is less likely to be fair use:

 

[actually]

Based on the fair use chart from your link, Phil's use of AJ's video is less likely to be fair use:

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Yeah, I see what you mean. I guess the main point I wanted to make is that it's not as cut and dry as some seem to argue.

 

[JamFlowMan]

Maybe i'm wrong on this but I don't see why giving Phil a strike would matter. The video would get a strike, Phil would file a counter claim, and Phil would win the claim. Aj isn't going to file legal action against Phil so it's like a dead end road. Yeah Phil wouldn't be able to stream on Youtube so he'd just stream on Twitch for 10 days. If anything Aj doing nothing would have looked better. He knowingly took the first step of a walk just to go back inside and shut the door.

I thought the reason the detractor channel strikes were effective was because they were hit with multiple strikes and nobody wanted to counterclaim because that would hand the info to superhound or whomever is striking the channels. In this case Phil would get a single strike which would be an easily solved, minor inconvenience.

 

[Big Brown Schlub]

Can some kind kiwi explain to me how DSP was at the same time playing an idiot character as a shtick but also the realest guy on the internet who would never play a character like a muppet to make money?
Im having a real tough time wrapping my head around this one

Since I'm an armchair psychologist at best I'm just gonna say that it probably has something to do with his narcissism. Speaking of, a few months ago I watched some videos where a self-aware narcissist talks about his problems and one thing he mentioned is that some narcissists think that a version of themselves from the past that wasn't up to standard is a completely different person from their today's self. For example for normal people if you showed them a video of themselves doing some cringeworthy shit while they were in their teens they'd say something like "Damn I was so stupid back then, I'm glad I changed and machoored." During the TIHYDP reackt Phil kept talking about his past self failing at MGS2 in third person, it wasn't "I fucked up there" it was "he fucked up there" and at first I thought he was blaming the vidya game character like always but the more the reackt went on the more I realized what was really going on. It was so bizarre.

 

[Muppetmode]

I could’ve sworn YouTube has a built in system that just scans for similar content that creators can check? Least I remember lsb show it forever ago.

 

[Nigel of Ukip]

But if you're gonna be a whiner because others don't want to do autistic dirty work for your enjoyment that shits not gonna fly.

Pretty dumb statement in this case lad.
AJ set out to hurt Phil when he saw what TIHYDP videos caused and continued to make them, when he helped the SoK, when he stalked Phil in his fighting games and Tweeted about him every single day. Now even changing his Twitter handle like Phil.

I don't think AJ is a bad bloke, but Phil was right when he said he is a bit exceptional. AJ needs Phil around, because he needs him for attention. I wouldn't go to AJ for his political takes, or gaming advice, I go to AJ to laugh at Phil. AJ dished out several punches, never got hit back, but cracked and crumbled when Phil decided to watch a single TIHYDP.
To me that is a very poor character trait. If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it too.

If you set out to fuck with Phil, waste insane amount of personal time following him around, making hour long videos and Tweeting daily, don't pussy out.

I will always laugh at blokes that waste hours, days or years even to fuck with Phil and crack under pressure the moment Phil fucks back.

 

[Wurstbrot]

The most funny thing is, this thread gets used to cry about AJ's decision instead of talking about the actual MGS reaction. Not even the detractors care about his grand supreme idea for meaningful khantent, supremely showing how much his stream suck.

 

[Iron Hamster]

Pretty dumb statement in this case lad.
AJ set out to hurt Phil when he saw what TIHYDP videos caused and continued to make them, when he helped the SoK, when he stalked Phil in his fighting games and Tweeted about him every single day. Now even changing his Twitter handle like Phil.

I don't think AJ is a bad bloke, but Phil was right when he said he is a bit exceptional. AJ needs Phil around, because he needs him for attention. I wouldn't go to AJ for his political takes, or gaming advice, I go to AJ to laugh at Phil. AJ dished out several punches, never got hit back, but cracked and crumbled when Phil decided to watch a single TIHYDP.
To me that is a very poor character trait. If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it too.

If you set out to fuck with Phil, waste insane amount of personal time following him around, making hour long videos and Tweeting daily, don't pussy out.

I will always laugh at blokes that waste hours, days or years even to fuck with Phil and crack under pressure the moment Phil fucks back.

I would say AJ got bored with him more than anything really. There are times in life where I get bored with something, something happens that I should be interested in, and I just say 'fuck it'........don't really care

 

[Sup3r]

I thought the reason the detractor channel strikes were effective was because they were hit with multiple strikes and nobody wanted to counterclaim because that would hand the info to superhound or whomever is striking the channels. In this case Phil would get a single strike which would be an easily solved, minor inconvenience.

Just to add on, Phil has nothing to lose when filing a counter claim compared to detractors because all of the information he'd have to give to AJ is already out there.

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

Can some kind kiwi explain to me how DSP was at the same time playing an idiot character as a shtick but also the realest guy on the internet who would never play a character like a muppet to make money?
Im having a real tough time wrapping my head around this one

Easy: he was shitfaced whenever he made these. It wasn't a gimmick unless "getting drunk" is a channel gimmick (and for some it is.) This is how he can be so fucking angry and still call it a character, because you kind of become a different person when drunk. Of course he memory holes the multitude of times he said he was drinking a lot for these.

Phil becomes way more obnoxious after drinking but I do feel these days he isn't drunk on stream. It's just years of alcoholism has addled his brain.

With some time to think on things, I would like to put forward this: it's not clear to me that EvilAJ could have actually struck Phil legitimately. Obivously, he or anyone else could superhound it and just false-flag, but think about this:

1) AJ's original video is Fair Use because it's a criticism of a work. Both that Sargon guy and H3H3's court rulings have made that clear. The exception here is that one cannot try and skirt copyright rules by "reacting" to a copyrighted work in full. Both AJ's editing and insertion of critical comments about Phil's videos clearly meet the standard of Fair Use.
2) Because Phil was "reacting" to AJ's video, I think one could reasonably argue that Phil's use also falls under Fair Use. Whether Phil re-uploading AJ's video to do is protected is something I'm not so clear on, but the fact that the re-upload was privated (and thus not available to a general public) would seem to mitigate that at somewhat by arguably acting as an archive.

I won't pretend to be an expert on Fair Use, but this seems like a good resource for trying to make a determination: https://libguides.colorado.edu/c.php?g=1154758&p=8428124

Based on that resource, I think AJ would have had a hard time trying to make a copyright claim.

The fact that AJ privated the video for the express purpose of not wanting it shared means that Phil went against his personal permissions on what to do with content (rescinding consent is a thing) gives him more of a legal leg to stand on. However, AJ wouldn't take Phil to court over this shit, it literally isn't worth it and to drag out a suit like this would probably violate SLAPP regulations. However, what Phil did was a clear breach of Youtube ToS, which is the important bit. Phil gets a Community Guideline strike or a Copyright Strike, he can no longer stream on Youtube at all and I'm pretty sure the channel is demonetized...for a month, at the very least. Inconveniencing Phil for a month because he can no longer monetize anything would have been worth it because it's very obvious the dents' wallets are not bottomless so a good streaming day would not make up for a month of missed Youtube revenue and the complete dissolution of his Memberships. The begging alone would be something to behold, which is why I wish AJ struck him.

Maybe i'm wrong on this but I don't see why giving Phil a strike would matter. The video would get a strike, Phil would file a counter claim, and Phil would win the claim. Aj isn't going to file legal action against Phil so it's like a dead end road. Yeah Phil wouldn't be able to stream on Youtube so he'd just stream on Twitch for 10 days. If anything Aj doing nothing would have looked better. He knowingly took the first step of a walk just to go back inside and shut the door.

I thought the reason the detractor channel strikes were effective was because they were hit with multiple strikes and nobody wanted to counterclaim because that would hand the info to superhound or whomever is striking the channels. In this case Phil would get a single strike which would be an easily solved, minor inconvenience.

That is the case. By issuing a counterclaim you have to provide your full legal information to the striker (which is bullshit but hey) but the point here is to make Phil's life inconvenient. We know he would try to counterclaim but all AJ would have to do is wait it out until the strike is rescinded and in that time Phil would become more unhinged as he rants on Twitch about needing to meet a 400 dollar tip goal.

I would say AJ got bored with him more than anything really. There are times in life where I get bored with something, something happens that I should be interested in, and I just say 'fuck it'........don't really care

Yeah but even if I were bored with the guy I wouldn't miss an opportunity to be a petty fuck and make him deal with some sort of consequence, if only temporary.

 

[Balr0g]

Easy: he was shitfaced whenever he made these. It wasn't a gimmick unless "getting drunk" is a channel gimmick (and for some it is.) This is how he can be so fucking angry and still call it a character, because you kind of become a different person when drunk. Of course he memory holes the multitude of times he said he was drinking a lot for these.

Also if it was his shtick why did he care about TIHYDP so much? Saying yeah I am bad at games and be done with it. But nooo Phil's little ego was so badly bruised that someone distilled his bad gameplay into a montage that was well liked (despite being struck down once) . Plus we have him saying "I am probably one of the best gamers in the US" or "I can be good at games if i want to". He brought it all upon himself.

 

[Nigel of Ukip]

I would say AJ got bored with him more than anything really. There are times in life where I get bored with something, something happens that I should be interested in, and I just say 'fuck it'........don't really care

That's a fair point mate, Phil is a boring cunt. Cannot blame a bloke for fucking off for a while, or just walk away from the vortex even.

I'm not trying to be that guy at all, but if AJ wouldn't care about Phil, he surely would not Tweet about him daily or chase after him in Street Fighter.
No idea why Phil is given this special lolcow status, but it just comes off very exceptional to devote time to him daily just to crack under the first sign of pressure.

It is what it is I guess yeah, I'm not chuffed about it obviously.
AJ is a really good bloke that plays a big part in DSP history, so I'm just left gobsmacked with this outcome.

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

Also if it was his shtick why did he care about TIHYDP so much? Saying yeah I am bad at games and be done with it. But nooo Phil's little ego was so badly bruised that someone distilled his bad gameplay into a montage that was well liked (despite being struck down once) . Plus we have him saying "I am probably one of the best gamers in the US" or "I can be good at games if i want to". He brought it all upon himself.

I buy more into the narrative that they were hurting his bottom line more than anything. Phil's narcissism prevents him from being able to reflect on any criticism so someone calling him shit at games won't bug him as much as people supposedly preventing him from making money.

Nobody who watches TIHYDP was gonna watch pure Phil. Editing his shit down makes him tolerable. Yet he thinks of his videos in much the same way as major publishers view game piracy.

 

[Iron Hamster]

but if AJ wouldn't care about Phil, he surely would not Tweet about him daily or chase after him in Street Fighter.

But how long ago was this? I'm under the impression it's been a few years.

 

[TheGoutburglar]

I buy more into the narrative that they were hurting his bottom line more than anything. Phil's narcissism prevents him from being able to reflect on any criticism so someone calling him shit at games won't bug him as much as people supposedly preventing him from making money.

Phil cares about his rep just as much as he does his money. But they are intertwined, and so I have no doubt that he would find it easier to ignore the snide remarks about his lack of skills if they had somehow never cost him an audience. He would still bitch, just a lot less, since then, life wouldn't be making him feel it.

But THIDYP isn't even responsible for that, because Phil was rolling in dough back when EVERYONE was. After that came crashing down, it took him with it because he exposed himself as being exactly what he looked like: a stupid asshole. TIHYDP just gave him an audience to be fed to by the people who stopped liking him, and his only alternative was to quit the internet and get a job.