Facebook 2014-01-10 FB: House Fire

[CatParty]

Re: FB 01/10/2014 - House Fire

If Chris whines about not getting enough, I say we start a donation drive for the local fire department that saved his worthless possessions for him.

obviously funded by an art sale

 

[IgnorantBystander]

Re: FB 01/10/2014 - House Fire

I like how Barbs automatic reaction is that these things were stolen, not lost to the fire or even the horde, I wonder when she last saw this painting? days, months, years ago? I also highly doubt this replica was valuable, millions of people have replicas of famous pieces on their walls.

Also, it seems Chris is smart/two-faced enough to have kept this off his Facebook, surely even he can predict a backlash from his precious "friends" if he starts accusing Firefighters of stealing his mother's worthless shite.

I'm 100% convinced that this is Barb completely, and that Chris is just repeating what she has said. Remember, she's the voice of God to him. Given that she's most likely attempting insurance fraud (in the stupidest way possible), she could even be screeching at him "You make sure everyone knows that they stole my purse and painting!" to somehow strengthen her case later. Maybe they are hoping that all the people who sent the house video to the insurance adjuster will send this information on as well.

I still pity Chris. It's difficult for a neurotypical person to go through what he has gone through in the past week, and for an autistic person, such a huge change in routine & surroundings is even more traumatic. Throw in the fact that the only ally he has in all this is a horrible, awful, selfish person who is probably more worried about the loss of her Goodwill crap than what he is going through, and it's even worse. I know there are a lot of people on here who will start screaming "But Chris would have more friends and resources if he wasn't such a jerk!!!"

Chris never had a chance to be anything but what he is, through events well beyond his control.

 

[darkhorse816]

Re: FB 01/10/2014 - House Fire

I'm pretty sure the members of the Greene County Fire Department are all connoisseurs of Spanish surrealist artists. And they'd want to steal a replica of a painting that, if it wasn't damaged from the fire, probably reeked of used kitty litter and rotten watermelon.

I have a really horrific pun under the spoiler that you'd get if you are familiar with Dali.

Spoiler

What was the painting? Little ashes?

But seriously, I felt really bad for Chris at first, but after the allegations that he's making about men and women risking their lives to save his house (Kelli, if she heard about this, is probably pissed!) is the same old Chris. And I'm pretty sure he got the idea about firemen looting from the Simpsons. Now I feel bad for him. Just bad, not really bad. I mean, he lost his house, his art, all of his valuables. I mean, you still have to have sympathy at least. And who knows? Maybe he will be grateful for the care package.

 

[Greg Sestero]

Re: FB 01/10/2014 - House Fire

If Chris whines about not getting enough, I say we start a donation drive for the local fire department that saved his worthless possessions for him.

What are the chances that Chris isn't going to whine about wanting more?

 

[Thetan]

Re: FB 01/10/2014 - House Fire

Here's the latest from my email contact. I cropped out the forwarded messages above these emails because they were addressed to me specifically, and didn't really contain anything of interest.

The gist of it is that one of Chris's classmates appears to be trying to guilt trip the others into feeling sorry for him. Chris also reveals some new information about the fire; in particular, the location of the coffee maker prior to its start.

Spoiler

 

[Holdek]

Re: FB 01/10/2014 - House Fire

We'll see how their reaction goes. If they are ungrateful, then they're on their own.

Man, I hate to be a complete douche - I think we got off on the wrong foot, because you were in charge of the Chris fund and I spent my first few posts vocally opposing it - but I have to do this.

"Nobody here is expecting a "thank you". We expect Chris to take it for granted..." - You

That's not a hypocritical statement.

Just because we're expecting them to be ungrateful doesn't mean that the reaction won't warrant a further lack of empathy. I don't speak for everyone who donated, but my motivation was to both potentially help people that needed it, and on top of that make a move so generous and without warrant that it would set the stage for future action. I know that Chris will only encounter further tribulations, and I want to get this question answered: "Is there anything I can do to help Chris?"

The next time something burns down, or his car breaks down, or Barb dies, or his house gets robbed, people will say "this would be a good time to help out another human being" and they will look at this moment for precedent. What Chris does after the contributions arrive, be it he throws the box away, or criticizes the gesture, or (inversely) writes a letter of appreciation on Facebook -- that will be the deciding factor on if people will choose to aid Chris. If he tears up a money order, literally rejecting what a group of 40 people put together for him, no rational person will ever want to do anything for him again.

So, no. Do I expect Chris to be appreciative, or to even respond? No. Does this new information of Chris+Barb affect my view? Yes, of course it does. Is the door still open for them to not be pricks? Yep.

Well, the donation is coming from a forum where his personal correspondence is regularly leaked. I wouldn't begrudge him slapping it away, honestly.

It's a nice gesture nonetheless, though.

 

[Anchuent Christory]

Re: FB 01/10/2014 - House Fire

Here's the latest from my email contact. I cropped out the forwarded messages above these emails because they were addressed to me specifically, and didn't really contain anything of interest.

The gist of it is that one of Chris's classmates appears to be trying to guilt trip the others into feeling sorry for him. Chris also reveals some new information about the fire; in particular, the location of the coffee maker prior to its start.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/2nGXpqR.png

Well it seems none of Bob's electrical knowledge filtered into Chris unfortunately. "Currents were still going back and forth" despite it not being on? yeah, right. The fact that the Coffee maker was outside the bathroom, yet the fire started inside it surely points to a failure of the home wiring and not the machine. The addition of an extension lead just adds another point of failure as well, and probably voids Keurig of any responsibility.
I can't help but think the HEAVY DUTY thing is just a Chris style embellishment, and I'm very sceptical about them having a fire extinguisher at hand, possibly another cwc-style bald faced lie?

But the thing that really stands out for me in this is the "we've managed to avoid him all these years".... very interesting.

Really looking forward to some more knowledgeable opinions on this info. Once again, Thanks to Thetan!

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Re: FB 01/10/2014 - House Fire

So Chris can judge people on the internet/store managers/innocent women by their deeds, but no one is allowed to judge him by his deeds.

Gotcha.

 

[Observers]

Re: FB 01/10/2014 - House Fire

. Barb doesn't strike me as much of a Dali fan; she seems more of a Thomas Kinkade aficionado.

Having worked at a funeral home for a few years of my life, and having to deal with Kinkade paintings and things with kinkade paintings stamped on them I totally know the kinkade aficionado type. And You are correct sir Barb fits that type.


BTW though i tend to agree with the crowed that thinks Chris will be ungrateful, I still feel donateing is the right thing to do. I was always taught that You dont donate to get a thank you you donate to help people in time of need no matter how much they may be ungrateful.

I think you all are very good people to even discuss this issue and are all bigger men then most people in this world. It makes me proud to be a Christorian

 

[Holdek]

Re: FB 01/10/2014 - House Fire

Here's the latest from my email contact. I cropped out the forwarded messages above these emails because they were addressed to me specifically, and didn't really contain anything of interest.

The gist of it is that one of Chris's classmates appears to be trying to guilt trip the others into feeling sorry for him. Chris also reveals some new information about the fire; in particular, the location of the coffee maker prior to its start.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/2nGXpqR.png

Well it seems none of Bob's electrical knowledge filtered into Chris unfortunately. "Currents were still going back and forth" despite it not being on? yeah, right. The fact that the Coffee maker was outside the bathroom, yet the fire started inside it surely points to a failure of the home wiring and not the machine. The addition of an extension lead just adds another point of failure as well, and probably voids Keurig of any responsibility.
I can't help but think the HEAVY DUTY thing is just a Chris style embellishment

It only reinforces that they were plugging in an appliance that requires more current than intended for a bathroom socket.

So Chris can judge people on the internet/store managers/innocent women by their deeds, but no one is allowed to judge him by his deeds.

Gotcha.

Leave it to Chris to mangle Martin Luther King, Jr.'s most famous quote three days before his holiday.

 

[LongtimeLurker]

Re: FB 01/10/2014 - House Fire

I'm 100% convinced that this is Barb completely, and that Chris is just repeating what she has said.

Honestly, I'd have to agree with this. Maybe it's just the way I read the email in my head, but the way Chris wrote it is extremely passive. It's all about Barb. He never says something like "my mother and I think there was a greedy fireman". He barely mentions himself at all. The only use of "we" is when he brings up a cabinet they owned. Chris (for once) isn't the focus of the email at all. I'd bet it's something that Barb is mad about, probably constantly ranting about, and so Chris saw fit to explain her situation to the email recipient.

Not to say Chris isn't capable of that kind of shit. I'm sure if it was something of his that had gone missing he'd be all over Facebook screaming about how one of the firefighters was a dang dirty troll or something. Just saying I don't think he's the one pointing the fingers in this specific case. It really looks like he's just being Barb's mouthpiece.

 

[Phil Ken Sebben]

Re: FB 01/10/2014 - House Fire

Here's the latest from my email contact. I cropped out the forwarded messages above these emails because they were addressed to me specifically, and didn't really contain anything of interest.

The gist of it is that one of Chris's classmates appears to be trying to guilt trip the others into feeling sorry for him. Chris also reveals some new information about the fire; in particular, the location of the coffee maker prior to its start.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/2nGXpqR.png

Well it seems none of Bob's electrical knowledge filtered into Chris unfortunately. "Currents were still going back and forth" despite it not being on? yeah, right. The fact that the Coffee maker was outside the bathroom, yet the fire started inside it surely points to a failure of the home wiring and not the machine. The addition of an extension lead just adds another point of failure as well, and probably voids Keurig of any responsibility.
I can't help but think the HEAVY DUTY thing is just a Chris style embellishment

It only reinforces that they were plugging in an appliance that requires more current than intended for a bathroom socket.

For sure. The amount of current those things pull when first turned on is high on the order of 11-12 amps. You can't have anything else on that circuit when you turn it on like a microwave or toaster oven. And if the coffee maker was plugged in and he was getting a cup of coffee or tea at that time how much do you want to guess that he was toasting up some pop tarts at the same time?

I've worked with electricity before and I've seen what can happen when an electrical socket sparks. It's a little scary but it usually means that either the wiring is substandard, loose or it's just being pushed beyond the capacity of the wires to handle that kind of current. I'd be surprised if the wires for the bathroom were rated any anything more than 20 amps, 15 is really standard because you're not using more than a hair dryer in there for a short period of time. Just about everywhere else in your house it's 30 or at least mine is.

But does anybody know if there was a fire report made for this and if it's possible for people to get a look at it? I'd be interested to see what the fire marshall or house inspector's conclusions were.

 

[Holdek]

Re: FB 01/10/2014 - House Fire

I like how Barbs automatic reaction is that these things were stolen, not lost to the fire or even the horde, I wonder when she last saw this painting? days, months, years ago? I also highly doubt this replica was valuable, millions of people have replicas of famous pieces on their walls.

Most of the stuff in the house have depreciated in value; no burglar would ever want anything in this house....

(http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Mailbag_44#No_burglar_would_steal_Chris.27s_stuff)