Facebook 2014-May-28 - [ BEGGING INTENSIFIES ]

[Alec Benson Leary]

Maybe if he drops the price to around $100 or under it will be bought with the unstung bow.

I haven't used Ebay in a long time. Let's say the product isn't all he claims it to be - say, much more damaged than he says it is. What are the buyer's options for getting his money back?

 

[Picklechu]

I haven't used Ebay in a long time. Let's say the product isn't all he claims it to be - say, much more damaged than he says it is. What are the buyer's options for getting his money back?

 

[CaptainDong]

I haven't used Ebay in a long time. Let's say the product isn't all he claims it to be - say, much more damaged than he says it is. What are the buyer's options for getting his money back?

After selling a few race car parts, I've found that Ebay will pretty much take the buyer's word over the seller's word 100% of the time. Even if the seller is the one getting ripped off. Let's say the buyer claims that the violin was lost in transit/damaged in transit. Whether it actually did, or didn't get lost/damaged is a moot point. All the buyer has to do is open a complaint, and the seller will have to forfeit the money paid for said violin. And here's the kicker, the buyer doesn't necessarily have to return the product to the seller. We learned this one the hard way (some engine builders can be assholes).

 

[Platypus]

I haven't used Ebay in a long time. Let's say the product isn't all he claims it to be - say, much more damaged than he says it is. What are the buyer's options for getting his money back?

I've actually had some experience recently with this. Ebay has actually stepped up with the buyer protection and depending on the claim and evidence given they have been known to refund the purchase and allow the buyer to keep the item. It also depends on who the buyer files a claim through, as Paypal is often pretty refund happy also.

After looking at the listings I can honestly say that anything he sells out of the models/stradahoodus is going to get ticketed, and he could possibly lose out on both the waterlogged item and his precious lego money.

 

[Keine]

I haven't used Ebay in a long time. Let's say the product isn't all he claims it to be - say, much more damaged than he says it is. What are the buyer's options for getting his money back?

Ebay is pretty good about buyer protection. I think if you pay with PayPal, you can simply file a claim and they'll reimburse you, provided Chris doesn't handle it himself (which would be likely).

 

[soIregistered]

There are tons of these on Ebay as Stradiuarius, though, not just Stradivarius. I'm guessing it's just another type of copy? Chris's isn't the only one.

Also "Buy It Now for 300 plus Shipping, and I will have the bow restrung. It will take a while longer, but I promise to keep you up-to-date with the progress."

Yeah, I'd really trust him to get right on top of that one.

ALSO, he really needs to check completed listings to see that there's no way he'll get that much. They sell for less than a hundred, on average.

 

[TheUltimatePickle]

I haven't used Ebay in a long time. Let's say the product isn't all he claims it to be - say, much more damaged than he says it is. What are the buyer's options for getting his money back?

I buy and sell on there all the time.

eBay always sides with the buyer. You can demand a refund if the item isn't as described. If he doesn't have the money in his PayPal account, eBay will cover it and ban him.

You'd probably be out the return shipping though.

 

[Strelok]

I haven't used Ebay in a long time. Let's say the product isn't all he claims it to be - say, much more damaged than he says it is. What are the buyer's options for getting his money back?

There's usually some form of buyer protection on Ebay's side, plus Paypal is rather infamous for siding with the buyer on chargebacks, no matter how frivolous the claim is.

Not sure how Paypal's works, but Ebay requires you at least go through the motions of attempting to contact the seller, something that would prove really detrimental for CWC as a seller I'd wager. The one time I had to do it the seller pretty much self destructed in his reply to me, and I got the money back in around three (business) days or so after filing the ebay claim.

Of note is the stipulation that:

If you receive an item that is not as described, or didn’t receive an item at all, you’re always covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee—even if the seller doesn’t offer returns

Now we know the models clearly didn't fit that criteria, but I can't seem to find the source text for the violin, but similar inaccuracies would, pardon my turn of phrase, sink his boat pretty quickly.

 

[Venusaur]

Hhrmm... I think it depends on how it goes.

Recently I was looking for smart phones on e-bay (Wanted to see if I could find a good deal on a used one). I found this really good deal and was getting ready to buy. However... It's always wise to look at the seller reviews. The guy had a lot of people claiming they had never recieved their items, a lot. Fearing a scam, I contacted E-bay and asked them. What did E-bay say? They adviced me to pay for the item that I had bought. Assured me that in the end, if it was a scam and I didn't get my item, E-bay would refund my money. (I didn't obey though. Didn't send the money and it WAS a scam).

So if Chris failed to have the bow restrung, or just failed to deliver the goods, who ever bought it will be protected. If Chris had the bowrestrung, and sent the item...But then it turned out that it wasn't a working intrument (And was meant as a decorative item or a prop), the buyer could have a case as well as Chris is advertising this "Stradiuarius" as a properly working instrument.

There's more info on E-bays actual page: http://pages.ebay.co.uk/ebay-money-back-guarantee/index.html

TLDR: If Chris tried to scam anyone and the sold item didn't fit the description, E-bay would protect the buyer.

 

[Job]

Well for the category he is listing in there is only one more condition he could label it as being "not working or for parts". So I guess you could make the instrument argument that the violin or "fiddle" is not capable of producing that sweet beautiful music if there was a limfac with the instrument itself. But since he has already claimed that the bow is currently unstrung I think he is in the right by claiming the item as "Used".

 

[DrJoshii]

So let me get this straight.
He got the name of the violin wrong.
He got the type of the violin wrong
He got the price of the violin wrong.

Golly-gee-whiskers! I wonder if Christian really went and visited a music shop owner, who told him the beaten-up violin is worth $200~$300?
B-but Chris wouldn't lie to ripoff the people who view his Facebook account. I mean those are the same FUCKING people he's currently begging to, the same people that donates to him so they can make his life a little better!

 

[CalmMyTits]

As an experienced buyer/seller on eBay, I can agree with all that is said here. The buyer is usually the one protected in the bargain. I bought several items from a seller, never got the items, and got my money back pretty quickly. On the flip side I sold a bunch of comics to one buyer and she claimed she never got it. I know I mailed the item and I always print the address clearly on the envelope so there's no possible way to misread it. She claimed she never got the item after I asked her to wait another 2 weeks in case the post had screwed up. In the end I was forced to refund the buyer (or namely, eBay did it for me)

Another buyer got her book late but in this case it was clearly a post office screw up, as I had mailed it several days after she paid, and she finally got the item. She had opened a complaint against me but fortunately was willing to wait, and closed the case after the book finally got to her. I can understand buyer protection because some sellers are unscrupulous or haphazard with mailing, but I think the seller needs some protection as well because you can see how easy it can be for a buyer to exploit a seller just so s/he can get an item for free.

So yes, Chris could get pretty screwed if he sold the violin to certain buyers.

 

[slep]

I buy and sell on there all the time.

eBay always sides with the buyer. You can demand a refund if the item isn't as described. If he doesn't have the money in his PayPal account, eBay will cover it and ban him.

You'd probably be out the return shipping though.

Wasn't there an incident a few years back where someone bought a violin that wasn't as described and he was ordered to destroy it by eBay? Yep. Here it is:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/paypal-makes-ebay-customer-destroy-2500-violin-seller-left-empty-handed/

I hope this doesn't sound like Trolling Plans, but someone with the scruples of a Bluespike could buy this thing, claim that it wasn't as described (which sounds like something that would be easy to do since this thing is obviously in worse condition than what Chris says it is), bust the thing up into a thousand pieces to satisfy eBay's demands (again, an easy thing to do since it's a p.o.s.) and before you know it, the buyer gets back his money and Chris is left with a huge unfillable hole in his eventually banned eBay/Paypal account. And he doesn't even get back the fragments of kindling to stick up his ass.

It's like Sharty Fartfast has set himself up for a major trollin'. If he were smart (hahahaohwow.jpg) he would withdraw this auction ASAP.

 

[4Macie]

The fact that he can't even research the proper name of the item that he's trying to sell is really irritating.

Now, he makes it clear it's a copy of one of these instruments, as the actual ones are rare and expensive as hell but....at $300-200 it's still overpriced. You can get them much cheaper than that as they're considered instruments for learners. Also the bow isn't strung. Chris keeps promising to have it restrung, but this is laughable. We know how he is with his promises.

Maybe if he drops the price to around $100 or under it will be bought with the unstung bow.

As people have said, it's Stradivarius. But Chris has also claimed that he took it to a music store to get it appraised. He didn't do any research on this item, no worries. All you do is bring in your instrument, they'll tell you everything about it and that's it. That's how he knows. I've worked around, been around, and played around on violins (and other instruments as well) and I can tell you that, unlike what some commenter on Chris's Facebook said; a COPY of a Stradivarius is not so special. This is just means that someone took the Stradivarius model and copied it. If it was a real Stradivarius it'd be worth thousands, as a copy... meh. Depends on condition. With the bow, rosin, and violin in such a bad way... I'd say it'd be worth $200, maybe $150 if I could get a better look at the violin's bridge, strings, and insides. But you're right, no one wants to pay that much for a broken thing like this. It hurts my heart to see this violin this way and I want to rescue it... but no way in hell am I paying twice what its worth just to have to pay four times it's worth to get it fixed up.

Edit note: This was bothering me so I thought I'd explain.

There are tons of these on Ebay as Stradiuarius, though, not just Stradivarius. I'm guessing it's just another type of copy? Chris's isn't the only one.

From 1700 to 1730 a cursive 'u' was used in place of a 'v'. After 1730 the Roman 'v' was used. Hence, the terms Stradiuarius and Stradivarius are used sorta interchangeably. But the thing that gets so many music people riled up is this. Stradivarius is what you call the copies. Chris says it's a "Stradiuarius copy" which means it's suppose to be a Stradivarius. No trolling plans here, BUT Chris could really get fucked over if someone bought this and then claimed he screwed them over because Stradiuarius insinuates (for violinists) that it's THE Stradiuarius, not its copy the Stradivarius. There are some legit Stradiuarius that use the v, but trust me, all the collectors already own them. The originals are no longer just floating around.

 

[DrChristianTroy]

And with all these stories a ween is inspired to buy the violin and make false claims of it never being shipped.

 

[Count Olaf]

Like I said in the last thread, he's gone from begging people to buy his stuff to COMMANDING people to buy his stuff with a hint of tard rage. Yes, he did say please...but we all know he just threw a please in to make him sound more polite. Which it doesn't. When the three days are up on his Ebay bid, I wont be surprised if he starts yelling at everyone for being cruel and heartless for not buying his stuff so he can buy more legos.

In any case the answer's still the same.

Spoiler

Will anyone in their right mind buy his junk for that price?

 

[Pikonic]

26 hours remain.
0 bids

 

[Samash]

So I have a question do you think this thing is water damaged? I mean the other things he had listed (model airplanes) all had waterlogged boxes. So he's selling a possibly water damaged knock off with a bad bow. Good luck on that.

 

[Marvin]

So I have a question do you think this thing is water damaged? I mean the other things he had listed (model airplanes) all had waterlogged boxes. So he's selling a possibly water damaged knock off with a bad bow. Good luck on that.

Uhh... do you think it's not water damaged?

 

[SPARKLETWAT]

This is why I hate today's idea of "reward your kids even if they don't win" way of teaching. These brats grow up to be entitled pieces of shit who think they deserve gold for mouth breathing. Chris is a fine example of why that's a shitty way of raising kids. Sometimes you don't get a gold star for showing up.

Anyone who tries to buy that is gonna get played more than the violin.