2018-06-14 Hate Live

[James Smith]

Hate Live became more fun toward the end.

 

[neger psykolog]

It annoys me. Because what he describes is his narcissistic actions and a conscious about it. Is that depression?

I don't think he's probably ever talked to a qualified therapist/doctor since he started his streaming "career" so he probably just equates being unhappy with being depressed.

But depression isn't just "depression". It can be part of a mood disorder, it can be manic/depressive cycles, it can be caused by diet/health, it can be caused by social isolation, it can be caused by poor sleep hygiene, it can be caused by physical issues, it can be caused by chemical imbalances, it can be caused by poor self-efficacy, it can be caused be a lot of things.

I'll be the top cheerer today in the department of absolute hypocrites and say:
DSP seems like the kind of person who actually needs some "offline time" to talk about shit and not have the internet involved in it. He should be talking to someone who is impartial and who isn't his top cheerer, his parents, his girlfriend or anyone who has any stake in his success or failure.

I've said numerous times before that this guy wakes up probably every day and the first thing he has to think about is an assload of debt and then having to sit and play children's video games for 8 hours. Whether he willingly stays in his Renton castle or has just let it become some sort of self-imposed prison is a matter of debate.

But I think its important that when you hear someone in his situation say they're depressed it could just be their unhappiness caused by what they perceive to be the inability to change things in their life rather than text book depression.

With humans being the way they are, and the way humans behave the way they do, DSP isn't the only person who is caught in a similar cycle of decision making. The difference is that he mostly lives out this stuff on the internet or at home so I don't think he's ever been that self reflective on how he might be causing stuff himself.

He may be in his mid 30s and he may seem hugely narcissistic but people can and do change their personalities even late in life.

 

[Zack the ripper]

lol i really have no sympathy for that guy
even when he supposed to get real he didn't forget to ban thos trolls
why not just blame depression on the taxes too ! why stop there !

 

[Haunter]

OK, so now that he's laid out his depression (didn't he recently say he would no longer be sharing personal information like he has in the past), what was the "pending bad news I can't talk about yet?"

 

[Zack the ripper]

I don't think he's probably ever talked to a qualified therapist/doctor since he started his streaming "career" so he probably just equates being unhappy with being depression.

But depression isn't just "depression". It can be part of a mood disorder, it can be manic/depressive cycles, it can be caused by diet/health, it can be caused by social isolation, it can be caused by poor sleep hygiene, it can be caused by physical issues, it can be caused by chemical imbalances, it can be caused by poor self-efficacy, it can be caused be a lot of things.

I'll be the top cheerer today in the department of absolute hypocrites and say:
DSP seems like the kind of person who actually needs some "offline time" to talk about shit and not have the internet involved in it. He should be talking to someone who is impartial and who isn't his top cheerer, his parents, his girlfriend or anyone who has any stake in his success or failure.

I've said numerous times before that this guy wakes up probably every day and the first thing he has to think about is an assload of debt and then having to sit and play children's video games for 8 hours. Whether he willingly stays in his Renton castle or has just let it become some sort of self-imposed prison is a matter of debate.

But I think its important that when you hear someone in his situation say they're depressed it could just be their unhappiness caused by what they perceive to be the inability to change things in their life rather than text book depression.

With humans being the way they are, and the way humans behave the way they do, DSP isn't the only person who is caught in a similar cycle of decision making. The difference is that he mostly lives out this stuff on the internet or at home so I don't think he's ever been that self reflective on how he might be causing stuff himself.

He may be in his mid 30s and he may seem hugely narcissistic but people can and do change their personalities even late in life.

man i love you <3
for not being as much of a cynic as i was

 

[Cherie Bomb]

A note about antidepressants: Worsening depression is a side effect of ALL antidepressants. The side effect is especially common in patients who are under the age of 25, as their brains haven't finished developing yet. It's also totally normal to go through a few different medications before finding the right one, as everyone's body chemistry is unique.

I've noticed certain individuals in DSP's orbit try and discourage others from taking their medication or from seeking professional help. No one can dictate to another person the best way to cope with depression, even if they're speaking from personal experience.

"Real Talk": Not all people with depression hurt others. If anything, dealing with depression makes a person more sensitive to how seemingly harmless words and actions can affect people. If the depressed person also has anxiety, they think about the cause and effect of interpersonal relationships A LOT. I believe what Phil is experiencing is actually Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), which can cause feelings of worthlessness, self-destructive behavior, and impaired social relationships.

 

[James Smith]

I believe what Phil is experiencing is actually Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), which can cause feelings of worthlessness, self-destructive behavior, and impaired social relationships.

BPD and MDD are often diagnosed and later BPAD is diagnosed instead.

 

[neger psykolog]

A note about antidepressants: Worsening depression is a side effect of ALL antidepressants. The side effect is especially common in patients who are under the age of 25, as their brains haven't finished developing yet. It's also totally normal to go through a few different medications before finding the right one, as everyone's body chemistry is unique.

I've noticed certain individuals in DSP's orbit try and discourage others from taking their medication or from seeking professional help. No one can dictate to another person the best way to cope with depression, even if they're speaking from personal experience.

"Real Talk": Not all people with depression hurt others. If anything, dealing with depression makes a person more sensitive to how seemingly harmless words and actions can affect people. If the depressed person also has anxiety, they think about the cause and effect of interpersonal relationships A LOT. I believe what Phil is experiencing is actually Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), which can cause feelings of worthlessness, self-destructive behavior, and impaired social relationships.

Even if you leave aside antidepressants completely because of how complicated they are, alcohol is a depressant.

Also here's a tip in line with what you were saying:
Go and get a prescription for an anti depressant and ask them how it works. The answer will revolve around a very clear answer "we don't know exactly how they work, but we have some idea of how they may work"

That doesn't mean you shouldn't take them if you're prescribed them or that they won't have any effect, it just means that depression itself is also something that although widely discussed isn't extremely well researched. There's no objective definition of exactly what a depressed person is.

 

[Zaryiu]

Do not believe DSP without 100% real proof, lying is second nature to him like breathing

 

[Heckler1]

The antidepressant Phil needs is exercise and sunlight/fresh air. Its no wonder he feels depressed and worthless, when he spends all his time in a little box with nothing but a screen he hates. I feel like he won't change, but I don't hate the guy, and I hope he actually makes some good choices for once.

 

[neger psykolog]

The antidepressant Phil needs is exercise and sunlight/fresh air. Its no wonder he feels depressed and worthless, when he spends all his time in a little box with nothing but a screen he hates. I feel like he won't change, but I don't hate the guy, and I hope he actually makes some good choices for once.

That's exactly what a $200 an hour doctor would immediately suggest. But they'd also suggest taking antidepressants because it can help in the short/medium term.

I wouldn't have a percentage off the top of my head, but I don't think its very common to prescribe anti depressants as a long term solution. The point is to prescribe it to start helping straight away and then work on improving things.

 

[slacktauren]

That's exactly what a $200 an hour doctor would immediately suggest. But they'd also suggest taking antidepressants because it can help in the short/medium term.

I wouldn't have a percentage off the top of my head, but I don't think its very common to prescribe anti depressants as a long term solution. The point is to prescribe it to start helping straight away and then work on improving things.

You're right neger. It's for people who wants a change in life and the first thing he'd get would be an SSRI, but that is more of a numbing antidepressant which leaves you in a state of melancholy where youre not really happy but also not really sad/depressed. I would have to say that if your depression is not severe, do not go for it. You feel like a walking zombie. Which, arguably, helps people who is in a very bad place in life.

Exercise is his first option. The release of endorphins and a stable daily routine is the first step.

 

[neger psykolog]

You're right neger. It's for people who wants a change in life and the first thing he'd get would be an SSRI, but that is more of a numbing antidepressant which leaves you in a state of melancholy where youre not really happy but also not really sad/depressed. I would have to say that if your depression is not severe, do not go for it. You feel like a walking zombie. Which, arguably, helps people who is in a very bad place in life.

Exercise is his first option. The release of endorphins and a stable daily routine is the first step.

That's very subjective. Saying "You feel like a walking zombie" isn't what its like for every patient and isn't what its like for every medication.

It really depends on how a patient presents themselves and what the doctor (using their knowledge) decides to prescribe as well as lifestyle factors etc.

Not all SSRIs operate the same. Some start working within 1-2 weeks and some only start working within 4-6 weeks or even longer. Some medication is regarding as being "better" for other depression-related disorders like anxiety/social anxiety/weight changes/appetite/OCD.

On top of that people don't have the same experience with the same SSRI. What works for one person might not work for another. One SSRI might work extremely poorly and another might work great but only after 2 months and only if the dosage is split between morning/evening or only if its taken at night/morning/afternoon.

There are other complications with dosage amounts, diet, time of day its taken and also withdrawal symptoms if you change an SSRI (even if its tapered it can still have withdrawal issues for some time). That's not even including complications that involve a patient having some sort of mood disorder of an SSRI triggering extremely bad side effects like mania.

So for a doctor to even prescribe 2 separate SSRIs you're probably looking at 2-3 months and several appointments before you can even say that they worked or didn't and even after that, you still have another 4-5 SSRIs which you haven't tried.

 

[Christopher Alyre Fleming]

Exercise is his first option. The release of endorphins and a stable daily routine is the first step.

This reminds me of a classic Phil moment although I can't be bothered to find it. A couple years ago, a fan informed Phil that Seattle has some of the best hiking trails outside a major city in the country. He's a 10 minute drive away from fresh air, beautiful scenery & some wonderful low impact exercise. Phil's response? Because of his bad back, his doctor advised him against strenuous activities like hiking. He said his doctor SPECIFICALLY warned him NOT to go hiking. What doctor would ever advise such a thing?

I love how Phil always has to lie. He could've just said "I'm sure there's some really pretty trails around here, but I'm kinda a couch potato these days". That would've been a fair enough response. But no, he totally would go hiking guiz if his doctor hadn't of told him he couldn't. So he just can't do it.

 

[James Smith]

If anyone has more they want to say about the Hate Live I can reopen the thread.