28 October 2011

[Marvin]

I used to think it was slightly silly to suggest that Chris is basically headed for incarceration since Chris is such a monumental coward, but after reading this latest leak it is apparent that he is only doubling down on his delusional bullshit. It's only a matter of time before "CWC v reality" enters round 2, and I fear that in that next round, reality is going to loose all patience with Chris and stop pulling punches.

Well, no, Chris is ranting on facebook because it's a stage for him to bitch about his enemies without putting himself in any real risk. He has a few imaginary angles like facebook that he uses to try to harm the trolls. The lego voodoo, for example. And I bet Rob Bell gets tons of messages from Chris trying to get all the trolls arrested with some juicy info some ween kid just sent Chris. Chris really likes to fight from a distance, where he's safe.

True, but Chris is still likely to find himself in trouble by accident. When he actively tries to do someone harm he does it from a distance or by proxy because he's a coward, but what about the times when he does something society frowns on but he doesn't know that or believes he's entitled because he's an autistic with rage? The heXBOX incident is a perfect example. Chris simply had no clue how much trouble that could have gotten him into, and the extremely light and forgiving punishment he got for it certainly didn't teach him. Given Chris' talent for making things worse for himself, another such small "accidental" incident could very easily see him spend another night in the hoosegow.

Yeah, but Chris learned he can't go back there. Chris has tons of incidents like you describe, but I still don't think he'll encounter one that'll cause them to call the cops. He'll merely get banned, will go home and bitch and that'll be the end of it.

I think he'd need to have another Oct 28 type incident to get arrested. And while that's possible, I think it's much less likely than people seem to think it is. Basically, I distinguish between Chris being an obnoxious customer who gets himself banned, which definitely happens a lot, and Chris specifically breaking the law and getting himself arrested, which does happen, just a lot less frequently than the bans.

Incarceration is possible, but I wouldn't say it's likely. Or, if we're talking about just a future consisting of an extension of his current situation, I don't think it's likely.

Maybe Barb's death might tip Chris off into his next set of arrests. But just his current lifestyle? I just see a long period of online paranoid rants with occasional bans from retail places in the area.

I would say Barb's death will almost guarantee Chris' incarceration in some form or another. Without Barb's control on him he certainly won't control himself.

People talk about Barb trying to keep Chris from getting himself arrested a lot. Like, essentially "grounding" him for his dumb shit he does out in the world. I don't know if that's what you're saying here or not, but I just want to point out that I really don't think Barb asserts parental authority over Chris that often, if ever, for practical reasons.

I was talking about this to someone else, and I'll tell you the same thing I said then:

She's side-by-side with Chris, getting into arguments with people out in the world, just trying to do their job. She'll never drop the hammer. Maybe, maybe, she'll spend 30 minutes sympathizing with Chris about mean people trolling Chris for his autism out in the world, and then spend another 3 minutes recommending they don't go back to that place. But even in that case, it'll probably be a suggestion, not her exercising parental authority.

But that's just what I'm guessing, based on their weird relationship and how she hit Snyder along with Chris. And the q-sand incident. So, take it with a grain of salt.

Most of what I'm basing this on is public info, so you're in as good a position to judge this as I am. I will say that most post-Bob instances of Barb asserting authority over Chris that I can think of were her trying to hoard him, not her trying to improve his public behavior. But there weren't many, so whichever.

Moreover, without Barbs presence when he does inevitably find himself in front of a judge, the court will pretty much have no choice but to deal with him itself. His only real defense is that he's a high functioning manbaby of diminished capacity, and so long as the courts can remand him to Barb's parental control with a diminished sentence they will very likely do so. Also judges don't like sending idiot children to jail in front of their weeping mothers. One Barb is gone, however, what will the courts be able to do with him other than forcibly put him into another controlling environment, only this time courtesy of the state instead of his parents? In other words, some form of incarceration. They certainly won't give him another slap on the wrist and send him on his way without some means of restricting his anti-social behaviors.

Oh definitely. Really, I am really pessimistic about Chris' next arrest. He definitely seems fucked next time he's in cuffs.

 

[Some JERK]

I used to think it was slightly silly to suggest that Chris is basically headed for incarceration since Chris is such a monumental coward, but after reading this latest leak it is apparent that he is only doubling down on his delusional bullshit. It's only a matter of time before "CWC v reality" enters round 2, and I fear that in that next round, reality is going to loose all patience with Chris and stop pulling punches.

Well, no, Chris is ranting on facebook because it's a stage for him to bitch about his enemies without putting himself in any real risk. He has a few imaginary angles like facebook that he uses to try to harm the trolls. The lego voodoo, for example. And I bet Rob Bell gets tons of messages from Chris trying to get all the trolls arrested with some juicy info some ween kid just sent Chris. Chris really likes to fight from a distance, where he's safe.

Incarceration is possible, but I wouldn't say it's likely. Or, if we're talking about just a future consisting of an extension of his current situation, I don't think it's likely.

Maybe Barb's death might tip Chris off into his next set of arrests. But just his current lifestyle? I just see a long period of online paranoid rants with occasional bans from retail places in the area.

Those are valid points, And i agree that Chris is a coward who will actively avoid conflict at all costs, and that Barb is doing everything in her power to keep him under her thumb an thus out of trouble. It's the situations that arise at random that i'm talking about. Chris has a very troublesome combination of problems; He is extremely out of touch with reality, completely paranoid, exhibits disruptive and socially unacceptable behavior in public, and does not recognize authority to the point of fleeing/resisting almost every time he has gotten into real trouble. To me, that's storing oil soaked rags next to the furnace. it might not happen today, but there's a good chance it'll happen at some point before all is said and done. He has been very lucky so far.

 

[shutupman]

I think it's inevitable that Chris will have another run-in at Wal*Mart. He seems to think he's entitled to go there because it's the most convenient place to pick up his mother's medication.
If he gets busted for trespassing, that's pretty much it for him, as far as defences go.

 

[Marvin]

I think it's inevitable that Chris will have another run-in at Wal*Mart. He seems to think he's entitled to go there because it's the most convenient place to pick up his mother's medication.
If he gets busted for trespassing, that's pretty much it for him, as far as defences go.

Eh, the convenience doesn't really matter. Really, Chris feels entitled to go everywhere. While he likes to have a reason to justify his unbanning, it's not essential. He can write a facebook rant with or without good arguments on his side. He uses the convenience argument for some other places he's banned from.

Chris is OK with just bitching from facebook, he's not going to violate a ban intentionally. What you need for him to violate a ban is something like what caused him to go to the game place on that fateful evening. Life is full of a bunch of dice rolls, sure. No one could predict that "Under New Ownership of Mike & Madeline" would convince Chris that maybe it was a different Mike and kick off Oct 28. And sure, something like that could happen again. I'm just saying it's unlikely. Chris has a bunch of bans, including some of them that are as important, or possibly more important, than walmart. Hell, actually, walmart might be one of his more minor bans recently.

 

[A-№1]

Yeah, but Chris learned he can't go back there. Chris has tons of incidents like you describe, but I still don't think he'll encounter one that'll cause them to call the cops. He'll merely get banned, will go home and bitch and that'll be the end of it.

I think he'd need to have another Oct 28 type incident to get arrested. And while that's possible, I think it's much less likely than people seem to think it is. Basically, I distinguish between Chris being an obnoxious customer who gets himself banned, which definitely happens a lot, and Chris specifically breaking the law and getting himself arrested, which does happen, just a lot less frequently than the bans.

I agree with you that it's highly unlikely on any given day that Chris will fuck up and get himself arrested. But even a million to one chance is a statistical inevitability given enough trials. The longer he goes on as he is the more likely he will ultimately come up against someone who is not so lenient or forgiving and will thrown the book at him. And given how badly Chris reacts when people are lenient with him, he will not react to an actual punishment at all well. The only thing that can prevent another bad incident eventually happening is Chris himself changing his behavior and character, and that's extremely unlikely, if not impossible at this point.

I would say Barb's death will almost guarantee Chris' incarceration in some form or another. Without Barb's control on him he certainly won't control himself.

People talk about Barb trying to keep Chris from getting himself arrested a lot. Like, essentially "grounding" him for his dumb shit he does out in the world. I don't know if that's what you're saying here or not, but I just want to point out that I really don't think Barb asserts parental authority over Chris that often, if ever, for practical reasons.

When I talk about Barb's "parental authority" over Chris, I'm certainly not talking about anything like the conventional meaning of the term. Certainly Barb doesn't threaten Chris with grounding or spankings or anything traditionally parental (or at least I don't think so - their relationship is very fucked up after all). Barb's parental authority runs more along the lines of nagging and threats; Chris goes along with what she tells him to minimize the stress from nagging and also because he's still at least a little afraid she'll change the locks or whatever.

I also don't mean Barb is any sort of voice of reason for Chris. She's almost as self centered and irresponsible as he is. However, Barb has had a longer time to learn that you can't fight city hall, as it were. She at least knows when to shut up and let her lawyer talk. Chris hasn't. So while she's a very poor parental control on the extremes of Chris' behavior, what little control she has, and what misguided ways she exercises it, is still better than no control.

Oh definitely. Really, I am really pessimistic about Chris' next arrest. He definitely seems fucked next time he's in cuffs.

Absolutely.

Also when I talk about the courts remanding Chris to Barb's parental authority, it's only because they don't know Chris and Barb like what we do. They accept the "child trapped in a man's body" defense and send him back to his "poor but doing her best who only gets in trouble because she loves her son so much" mother only because it's easier than doing the research to see that Chris is actually a horrible adult who behaves childishly while his mother is little better. Once Barb is gone, no lawyer in the world will be able to maintain that fiction.

Chris is definitely going to find himself in jail again. It's an inevitably. But that doesn't mean he or any of us will see it coming when it does happen. There's no way to predict when it will happen, just that it will. Thus far he's been fairly fortunate, but nobody knows ahead of time when their luck will finally run out, and that house always wins if you keep gambling long enough.

 

[Tubular Monkey]

Chris is definitely going to find himself in jail again. It's an inevitably. But that doesn't mean he or any of us will see it coming when it does happen. There's no way to predict when it will happen, just that it will. Thus far he's been fairly fortunate, but nobody knows ahead of time when their luck will finally run out, and that house always wins if you keep gambling long enough.

That's the fun of it. Christmas could come at any time. He walks into just about every store with a 50% chance of being arrested. It all hinges on when the angry tardation kicks in.

I want him to go to jail. Not because of or , but because he needs to be taught severe lessons if he hopes to have any semblance of peace for the rest of his life. The sooner he faces adult consequences, the better his chances for survival down the road are. But tough love is not in our boy's vocabulary. He needs to hurt to be helped, and at a basic level I do want him to learn from the past and improve himself. It can only be done by force, with the help of local authorities. But it's his only chance at a worthwhile life, however much the baby kicks and screams along the way.

 

[CWCissey]

 

[sparklemilhouse]

Hell, actually, walmart might be one of his more minor bans recently.

Whaat.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Hell, actually, walmart might be one of his more minor bans recently.

OK, I'm going to put in my guess... banned from all the nearby pharmacies that accept Barb's insurance.

 

[The Dude]

Hell, actually, walmart might be one of his more minor bans recently.

Whaat.

This needs elaboration.

 

[Zim]

I want him to go to jail. Not because of or , but because he needs to be taught severe lessons if he hopes to have any semblance of peace for the rest of his life. The sooner he faces adult consequences, the better his chances for survival down the road are. But tough love is not in our boy's vocabulary. He needs to hurt to be helped, and at a basic level I do want him to learn from the past and improve himself. It can only be done by force, with the help of local authorities. But it's his only chance at a worthwhile life, however much the baby kicks and screams along the way.

I honestly don't know if a jail sentence would do him any good. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe it's inevitable, but like everything else he would never understand or accept the reason for him being there. He's just flat out too deluded and most importantly a huge idiot.

Most of us for years have wanted him to gain enough insight to learn from his mistakes and improve his life but it just doesn't happen. He's gotten banned from stores more times then I can remember and he's still doing crap to make stores do this. Also just look how long it took him to realize he maybe shouldn't make videos or respond to trolls and he still hasn't stopped completely. The truth is he's incapable of looking back on his life in a constructive or meaningful way. Jail would suck for him but he'd only behave just long enough to be done with probation and then it's back to business as usual.

Anyway, this is an old argument from a really old thread so I'm just going to stop here.

 

[Some JERK]

Jail would suck for him but he'd only behave just long enough to be done with probation and then it's back to business as usual.

You just quite nicely summed up 99% of the inmates in the correctional system, and the reason for its huge problem with recidivism in general.

 

[Henry Bemis]

The other problem with the prison system is a lack of faith in it.

I mean, suppose Chris goes to jail and, against all odds, does a complete 180 on his attitude and comes out fully corrected. Would you trust him enough to give him a job?

 

[Zim]

The other problem with the prison system is a lack of faith in it.

I mean, suppose Chris goes to jail and, against all odds, does a complete 180 on his attitude and comes out fully corrected. Would you trust him enough to give him a job?

Oh no absolutely not. I'd never hire a 30+ year old man who's been employed for a total of 3 months a decade ago. It raises all sorts of red flags.

 

[Watcher]

Oh no absolutely not. I'd never hire a 30+ year old man who's been employed for a total of 3 months a decade ago. It raises all sorts of red flags.

Especially when you find out what happens when you Google his name. Those background checks are killer

 

[Holdek]

^And with that post, I am now a Loyal Fan

If you didn't realize it was coming, then okay, but if you knew you were only 1 post away, I'm very dissappointed in you for not making your 2000th post

Heh, nah, I didn't realize it until after I posted it.

I used to think it was slightly silly to suggest that Chris is basically headed for incarceration since Chris is such a monumental coward, but after reading this latest leak it is apparent that he is only doubling down on his delusional bullshit. It's only a matter of time before "CWC v reality" enters round 2, and I fear that in that next round, reality is going to loose all patience with Chris and stop pulling punches.

Well, no, Chris is ranting on facebook because it's a stage for him to bitch about his enemies without putting himself in any real risk. He has a few imaginary angles like facebook that he uses to try to harm the trolls. The lego voodoo, for example. And I bet Rob Bell gets tons of messages from Chris trying to get all the trolls arrested with some juicy info some ween kid just sent Chris. Chris really likes to fight from a distance, where he's safe.

Incarceration is possible, but I wouldn't say it's likely. Or, if we're talking about just a future consisting of an extension of his current situation, I don't think it's likely.

Maybe Barb's death might tip Chris off into his next set of arrests. But just his current lifestyle? I just see a long period of online paranoid rants with occasional bans from retail places in the area.

Couple of thoughts:

1. I wonder if Bell intimidating Cyan and Indigo was more self serving than to to help Chris, meaning he's just tired of hearing Chris bitching about the trolls than he is actually sympathetic to Chris being trolled.

2. Has Chris learned not to run from the cops? I think this is the only way he's going to end up in jail again, since that's the only reason he's been arrested before.

 

[Some JERK]

The other problem with the prison system is a lack of faith in it.

I mean, suppose Chris goes to jail and, against all odds, does a complete 180 on his attitude and comes out fully corrected. Would you trust him enough to give him a job?

Me personally? Hell yes. But i would give Chris a job right now if i could. I would assign him to handle some fictional project, only so i could come into work every day excited to see how monumentally he's screwed it up that day.

So yeah, i'm a JERK and i would hire him strictly for entertainment purposes.

 

[A-№1]

That's the fun of it. Christmas could come at any time. He walks into just about every store with a 50% chance of being arrested. It all hinges on when the angry tardation kicks in.

Autistic Russian Roulette.

The other problem with the prison system is a lack of faith in it.

I mean, suppose Chris goes to jail and, against all odds, does a complete 180 on his attitude and comes out fully corrected. Would you trust him enough to give him a job?

That depends on the job itself. If it's a time unlimited, zero skill, piecework job where he doesn't interact with customers or other employees in any way, I'd hire him today.

I've said it before: Chris could do well for himself in any of the Hobo Trades. The only thing stopping him is himself. And the that enables him to sit on his ass and avoid any form of self betterment.

 

[Marvin]

Hell, actually, walmart might be one of his more minor bans recently.

Whaat.

Oh, whoops, when I said that, I was talking about more from Chris' perspective than a normal person's perspective.

Hell, actually, walmart might be one of his more minor bans recently.

OK, I'm going to put in my guess... banned from all the nearby pharmacies that accept Barb's insurance.

Well, when I said "more minor bans" I was talking about Chris' perspective. Chris cares a lot more about being banned from a mcdonalds than from walmart. He can't hang out there and play on his iphone and wait for the girls to come blow him. Walmart? Well, getting his mother's medicine will be harder...

Couple of thoughts:

1. I wonder if Bell intimidating Cyan and Indigo was more self serving than to to help Chris, meaning he's just tired of hearing Chris bitching about the trolls than he is actually sympathetic to Chris being trolled.

Right now, Chris is almost certainly just pestering Rob Bell with bullshit and Rob Bell is doing his best to ignore him. Back at the trial, Bell might've took Chris' troll accusations to mean "organized stalking," so he might've taken it more seriously back then. Honestly, I don't remember at what point Rob Bell realized that Chris' troll crap was full of shit.

2. Has Chris learned not to run from the cops? If anything I think this is the only way he's going to end up in jail again.

If he can't see the cops yet, like if someone said they called the cops, he'd bolt, of course.

As far as running from cops in front of him, I think Chris can feel that he's fat and he's not really in good enough shape to run from the cops. Either he'd fold and try to tell (shriek and grunt) his story to the cops or he'd try to run and get caught after 5 or 6 yards of jogging (jiggling).

 

[Ronichu]

If he can't see the cops yet, like if someone said they called the cops, he'd bolt, of course.

As far as running from cops in front of him, I think Chris can feel that he's fat and he's not really in good enough shape to run from the cops. Either he'd fold and try to tell (shriek and grunt) his story to the cops or he'd try to run and get caught after 5 or 6 yards of jogging (jiggling).

This made me laugh too loudly in an inappropriate context. The mental image of slow-motion Tomgirl Chris, his whole body heaving, as he slams foot after foot into the pavement at SONIC SPEED... then collapsing after ten steps, wheezing and gasping, as cops dogpile and cuff him.

I agree though. When Chris next meets cops -- which is unlikely in the short term, but basically inevitable in the long term -- he is fucked. Right now he's just got a reputation as a local pest, best banned and forgotten, but that's still significant. I grew up in a small(ish) city, people knew all the crazies if not by name, but by reputation ("the crazy bird lady") etc. People may not know Chris Chandler but they might recognise "the guy with the sign".

I still think he's on pretty thin ice. Doesn't take much to get the cops called on you when you have a reputation like that.