Science A Doomsday COVID Variant Worse Than Delta and Lambda May Be Coming, Scientists Say - ""The next variant," says Osterholm, "could be Delta on steroids.""

Scientists keep underestimating the coronavirus. In the beginning of the pandemic, they said mutated versions of the virus wouldn't be much of a problem—until the more-infectious Alpha caused a spike in cases last fall. Then Beta made young people sicker and Gamma reinfected those who'd already recovered from COVID-19. Still, by March, as the winter surge in the U.S. receded, some epidemiologists were cautiously optimistic that the rapid vaccine rollout would soon tame the variants and cause the pandemic to wind down.

Delta has now shattered that optimism. This variant, first identified in India in December, spreads faster than any previous strain of SARS-CoV-2, as the COVID-19 virus is officially named. It is driving up infection rates in every state of the U.S., prompting the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to once again recommend universal mask-wearing.

The Delta outbreak is going to get much worse, warns Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist who leads the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. "The number of intensive-care beds needed could be higher than any time we've seen," he says. He adds that his team's analysis shows that almost every single one of the 100 million unvaccinated Americans who hasn't had COVID-19 yet will likely get it in the coming months, short of taking the sort of strong isolation and masking precautions that seem unlikely in the vaccine-hesitant population.

The variant is so contagious that it's set to smash through every previous prediction of how soon the U.S. might reach herd immunity. "We've failed to shut this down as we have other pandemics," says Jonathan Eisen, a biologist at the University of California, Davis, who studies how pathogens evolve. "It may be around forevermore, leaving us continually trying to figure out what to do next."

Delta, like most of the other variants, blindsided us, worsening and extending the pandemic. When the damage from Delta starts to subside, what other variants will be lurking just behind it to pull us back down again? The World Health Organization is already keeping an eye on several: Eta, which is now in several countries; Kappa, which arose in India; Iota, which first popped up in New York City—and especially Lambda, which has torn through Peru and shows signs of having unusual success in infecting fully vaccinated people, according to one early study. It has already spread to Argentina, Chile, Ecuador as well as Texas and South Carolina.

It's too soon to say whether Lambda will turn out to be the next big, bad thing that COVID-19 unleashes on us. But it's a good time to wonder: Just how destructive can these variants get? Will future variants expand their attack from the lungs to the brain, the heart and other organs? Will they take a page from HIV and trick people into thinking they've recovered, only to make them sick later? Is there a Doomsday variant out there that shrugs off vaccines, spreads like wildfire and leaves more of its victims much sicker than anything we've yet seen?

The odds are not high that we will see such a triple threat, but experts can't rule it out. Delta has already shown how much worse things can get. Its extreme contagiousness, with room to run freely through the tens of millions of Americans who haven't been vaccinated and millions more who have no access to vaccines in developing countries, has good odds of turning into something even more troublesome. "The next variant," says Osterholm, "could be Delta on steroids."

Caught Off-Guard​

It wasn't supposed to happen this way. Early in the pandemic, most experts closely studying COVID-19 mutations downplayed the notion that variants would cause such serious problems. "They don't seem to make much of a difference," said Richard Neher, an evolutionary biologist at Switzerland's University of Basel, in August last year. "We probably only need to worry about it on a timescale of about five years." Today he calls Delta and other COVID-19 variants "the pandemic within the pandemic."

Delta, more than any other variant, has reset scientists' understanding of how quickly a virus can evolve into devastating new forms. "All coronaviruses mutate, and we knew this one was mutating, too," says Sharone Green, a physician and infectious disease researcher at the University of Massachusetts Medical School. "But we didn't think the mutations would so strikingly affect transmissibility and possible evasion of immunity."

It may seem surprising that scientists were caught off-guard by the rapid emergence of a more dangerous variant. But unlike most other pathogens, Eisen notes SARS-CoV-2 was largely unknown when it emerged. In the absence of data, scientists assumed it would follow other viruses in being relatively slow to spin off much more contagious mutations. Even more important, he adds, scientists underestimated the sheer scale the pandemic would eventually achieve—a critical factor, because the more people a virus infects, the more opportunities it has to develop significant mutations. "Having billions of people infected presents a breeding ground for variants unlike anything we've ever seen with these sorts of viruses," he says.

SARS-CoV-2 doesn't mutate particularly quickly, compared to many pathogens. Just as with most human and other cells, a mutation occurs in a virus when it replicates but fails to make a perfect copy of its genetic material. That imperfect copy is a mutant. The COVID-19 virus doesn't have a lot of genetic material to scramble compared to most organisms—about 15 genes, versus about 3,000 genes in an E. coli bacterium, a run-of-the-mill stomach bug, and about 20,000 in a human cell. What's more, COVID-19 has genetic checking mechanisms that make it reasonably adept at avoiding replication mistakes compared to most viruses.

But while COVID-19's mutation rate is on the low side—about one mutation for every 10 replications, or around a fifth of the flu's mutation rate and a tenth of HIV's—COVID-19 takes advantage of a grim numbers game. A single person infected with COVID-19 might carry 10 billion copies of the virus, enough to produce billions of mutated viruses every day. What happens to all those mutations? Almost always the answer is: nothing. The genetic scrambling is random, with the result that virtually all mutations either have no effect whatsoever on the virus, or else do something that makes the virus less effective or even renders it entirely non-functional.

But once in a while—perhaps every million trillion times—a random mutation confers some potentially dangerous new characteristic. What's more, much of what makes the virus dangerous has to do with a relatively small portion—the so-called spike proteins that protrude from its surface and enable the virus to latch onto and penetrate human cells. Most of the mutations we've seen so far represent tweaks to these spikes, which means it only takes a minimal change within any of the few viral genes that control the spikes to create a newly threatening mutation.

But even when a virus hits the jackpot with a mutation that sharpens its ability to wreak havoc, that doesn't mean a dangerous new variant has emerged. To become a significant variant, a mutated virus has to out-replicate the far more numerous copies of the virus that already predominate in the population, and to do that it needs features that give it big advantages.

What specific features will help the mutation become a better replicator and spreader in the population is determined by the environment. For example, in the case of a respiratory virus like COVID-19, the ability to travel longer distances in the air, and to latch more firmly onto cells in the nasal passage, would likely make a new strain a better contender to become a widely spreading variant.

"A virus' job is just to keep propagating," says Green. "Any mutation that helps the virus survive and spread will make it more successful as a variant."

All told, the chances that a virus in the population will produce a much more dangerous variant in the course of a year would normally be extremely low. But when billions of people are infected with billions of copies of a virus, all bets are off. Thanks to Delta's infectiousness, and the huge number of people whose refusal or inability to get vaccinated leaves them primed to become living COVID-19 mutation labs, the conditions are ripe to produce yet more, potentially more dangerous, variants in the coming months.

"It's going to be very difficult to stop it from happening with masks and social distancing at this point," says Preeti Malani, a physician and infectious disease researcher and chief health officer at the University of Michigan. "Vaccines are the key, and vaccine hesitancy is the obstacle."

The growing number of people with natural immunity, from having recovered from COVID-19, won't save the day either, says Eric Vail, director of molecular pathology at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center. "At best it's now a third of the U.S. population with natural immunity, and that may be an overestimation," he says. "It won't be enough to guarantee that Delta will be the last big variant."

Can It Beat the Vaccine?​

The most likely way a new variant will plague us is the same way the U.K. variant did earlier this year, and Delta is now: by being more transmissible. At first glance, that seems a tall order, given that Delta is already one of the most transmissible viruses ever encountered, falling short only of the measles. Then again, notes Osterholm, scientists thought the original COVID-19 virus was a shockingly adept spreader, only to be surprised by how much more easily the U.K. variant spread, just to be caught off guard yet again with the rise of Delta, which is about five times more transmissible than the original.

There's no reason to assume Delta represents any sort of ceiling in infectiousness. "I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if something else came along that's even more transmissible," says Vail. Such a super-spreading virus might burn through the unvaccinated, non-previously infected population so fast that hospitals couldn't come close to coping.

Making that possibility more likely is the fact that sheer transmissibility, more than any other characteristic a virus might acquire through mutation, confers the greatest advantage on a variant when it comes to outcompeting other versions. "If a mutation comes up anywhere that's more transmissible, it will be selected out to propagate," says Green. That means a single ultra-transmissible mutation popping up anywhere in the world in a single infected person could be enough to unleash a fresh round of heightened global misery.

Might a new variant get around the vaccine? Delta appears to be able to infect the vaccinated more readily than previous variants, reducing the major vaccines' effectiveness at preventing infection from about 95 percent to around 90 percent. (A recent Israeli study claimed the Pfizer vaccine's effectiveness plunges to 39 percent, but experts caution that the finding is an outlier that may not hold up.)

Most of the COVID-19 vaccines work by getting human antibodies to target the spike proteins on the virus. But because mutations can slightly change the shape of the spike protein, they can potentially disguise it from some of those antibodies, thus weakening the vaccine's effectiveness. The different variants have different combinations of mutations in the spike protein, and while so far none of those combinations seem to do a great job of disguising the spike protein enough to get around the vaccine, some seem able to chip away at its effectiveness. Delta has three mutations that together seem especially good at keeping the spikes under the antibodies' radar, leading to the breakthrough infections.

Still, the vaccines remain highly effective in preventing Delta from causing severe illness leading to hospitalization or death, to judge by the fact that 99 percent of the patients struggling with COVID-19 in U.S. intensive-care units are unvaccinated.

COVID-19 may well continue to evolve into new, widely spreading variants, but there's reason to think that none of them are likely to routinely blow past the immune defenses conferred by vaccine, and even the lesser natural-immunity defenses. One reason, notes Vail, is that the vast majority of COVID-19 virus in circulation is in unvaccinated people who weren't previously infected, and mutations that can avoid immunity have no real advantage in that environment. An immune-evading variant would be more likely to thrive in a population of vaccinated or recovered people, where such a mutation would allow it to outcompete non-mutated viruses—but there just isn't enough virus circulating in that population to allow for rapid mutation.

That's how Delta emerged, notes Vail. "There were four variants that arose in India, and three of them had some ability to evade immunity," he says. "The fourth one was Delta, which didn't have as strong an evading mutation, and that's the one that spread."

Green points out a second reason being immune-evasive will be a huge challenge to COVID-19: The human immune system, once it's activated by vaccination or infection, is more resilient and effective than even most studies indicate. That's because studies tend to focus on how the virus fares against antibodies specifically developed by the body to fight the virus, as observed in test tubes. In real life, the body rolls out other weapons, including innate antibodies that target a broader array of pathogens, and T-cells that only kick in when an infection starts to take hold—both of which most lab studies can't easily measure. More thorough studies are underway, says Green, and the results should aid in the development of booster shots that will help block Delta and possible future variants.

The mechanics of mutation also work in our favor when it comes to dodging future variants that cause more severe illness. It's not that such mutations can't or won't spring up in the coming months. Rather, it's that causing the infected to be extremely ill takes them out of circulation, so they can't spread the more-sickening variant. That means the variant would be at a disadvantage to competing forms of the virus that leave most of the infected feeling well enough to walk around and transmit the infection.

A particularly dangerous scenario would be a variant that left people feeling well for a long time, and then lowered the boom later with severe illness. But few viruses—HIV being one exception—master that trick, and so far that doesn't seem to be a threat from COVID-19, either.

Eisen warns that such delayed-illness scenarios can't be ruled out, either. There are ways new variants could inflict worse damage without compromising their ability to spread. For example, a new variant might attack the brain, heart or other organs in more subtle, slower ways that leave victims walking around but that eventually take a large toll.

"We've already seen that different variants have differing abilities to enter some types of cells, and that might have an effect on the nervous system or lung function," says Eisen. "It's very concerning."

Malani notes that there's anecdotal evidence that more young people are getting severely ill with Delta than has been the case with previous variants. That uptick may just be due to higher numbers of young people getting infected, or it may indicate a troubling shift toward greater vulnerability among the younger. That wouldn't be a first: The 1918 flu pandemic preferentially killed younger adults.



It's not yet clear whether or not Delta is hitting the younger harder. "It's a mystery right now," Malani says. "Infected young people might walk around for days or even weeks even though they're feeling very poorly, so it's hard to judge." But even if Delta isn't targeting the younger, a spin-off variant might.

While increased infectiousness is the most likely path for a fierce post-Delta variant versus getting past vaccines or causing more severe illness, there's a catch: Such traits aren't mutually exclusive. Simply as a matter of chance, a mutation that confers increased transmissibility might also cause more damage to health or give the virus a better chance at slipping past the defenses conferred by a vaccine. Although these latter traits aren't likely to be selected on their own, they could ride the coattails of a transmissibility-boosting mutation. "There's nothing to stop them from happening at the same time," says Eisen.

Fortunately, there's a built-in impediment to what might otherwise be a potentially endless march toward ever-more-dangerous variants: The virus will at some point run out of ways to become nastier, thanks to the relatively simple structure of the spike protein, which can only be mutated in a few hundred different ways, most of which won't make the virus more harmful. "There are only so many changes that can be made to the spike protein without making it non-functional," says Vail. "I'd be cautious about saying that it can keep mutating indefinitely."

Another big break: Unlike the flu virus, SARS-CoV-2 doesn't have a structure that lends itself to mixing and matching genetic material between different variants. That "recombination" capability is what helps make the flu a moving target each year for vaccines.

Like the flu, COVID-19 is probably going to be with us for the foreseeable future. But a big pickup in vaccination rates would at least put the age of the most dangerous variants behind us. At that point, says Green, we can focus on occasional new vaccines or booster shots that make the virus a relatively tame threat.

"I don't think eradication is on the table," she says. "But I think we could come up with something that's better than what we have now for the flu."

On the other hand, notes Green, the flu kills as many as 60,000 people a year. If COVID-19 keeps mutating away from vaccine effectiveness and natural immunity, and a large portion of the population continues to neglect vaccinations, then we'll indeed end up permanently haunted by the virus.

In that case, we'd be lucky if COVID-19 "only" kills tens of thousands every year. Thanks to the ongoing threats of variants, we might be in for a lot worse.

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Yeah, but that's mostly because some of the Africans did dumb things like touching the body after death. In the US it could be handled fine because PPE and vaccine are available. That's what was though about SARS as well, because it could only be transmitted well by the severely sick. That changed though, and that's where the trouble comes from.
Ebola is also a great example of a disease that spreads so aggressively that it burns itself out, the disease can easily wipe out a whole village before anyone can get to another village to call for help.
listening to Americans refuse to mask up
Yeah, the masks worked so well that when 90+% of the population was wearing them everywhere cases continued to spike up and down.

There's a growing mountain of evidence that masks do jack, fucking, and shit to stop coronavirus from spreading, but terrified forever maskers will continue to beat the "muh mask" drum as if that one extra person had worn it right then everything would be A-OK now.
 
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Every times I see people ranting over the masks:

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smallpox, malaria and plague are more deadly. this is airborne and those paper masks won't protect you. they'll keep your funk off other people, but you do need an n95 if you are concerned about yourself primarily.

it was a colossal fuckup for them to discourage their use at the start

for the record I was doomposting about paper surgical masks back at the start of the big covid thread, but n95s were hard to find then.
 
Ebola is also a great example of a disease that spreads so aggressively that it burns itself out, the disease can easily wipe out a whole village before anyone can get to another village to call for help.

Yeah, the masks worked so well that when 90+% of the population was wearing them everywhere cases continued to spike up and down.

There's a growing mountain of evidence that masks do jack, fucking, and shit to stop coronavirus from spreading, but terrified forever maskers will continue to beat the "muh mask" drum as if that one extra person had worn it right then everything would be A-OK now.
The big problem is businesses demand mask mandates in order to do business with them. Unless they're based Republicans of course.
 
smallpox, malaria and plague are more deadly. this is airborne and those paper masks won't protect you.
You're SO close to figuring it out......
The big problem is businesses demand mask mandates in order to do business with them. Unless they're based Republicans of course.
Some businesses around me did that, many would refuse to say anything to you if you walked in without one, as minimum wage workers do not get paid enough to deal with your shit.

My favorite part is finding out how many based business owners there are around me.
 
Why would a mask that isnt skintight protect much of anything. Coof has always been so infectious that the breath that does escape, and there's some, is enough

The reusable masks are so funny, take it off put it on swing it through the air spreading coof particles if you have any lol
 
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There were a few scientists that thought it wouldn't get worse - but the majority who studied the virus knew what was coming and said as much. You can always find outliers, and that is what they are - outliers who said it wouldn't evolve this way.

But no one really cares. It will do what it does and we will deal with it better or worse. The only thing that can be accurately predicted is that 9 out of 10 Covid deaths at least will be from unvaccinated people, and that I really don't care if someone wants the vaccine or not, they can go ahead and die, it is not a choice that effects me.

It is time the government of the United States accepts the fact that there are a large group of people who only speak up and praise the vaccine after they lose loved ones, or become infected themselves and recover.

Perhaps if we had no treatments (which are far superior than from where we started), people would get the hint about how bad it actually is. If we didn't give these dickheads advanced treatment and oxygen, the dead would be dramatically higher and it might make for a more convincing graphic.

I live in a red state and the number of stupid fucking stories about some fat cunt, or some super fit guy getting it and nearly dying or dying lines the news feed every day about "how they wished they had taken the vaccine" or "I lost my stupid retarded husband and I urge all other stupid red necks to get their fat, wage earning husbands vaccinated" is ridiculous.

Let em die. It isn't anyone's business to enforce a personal choice from a government point of view. As an employer it is a different story.
 
It's pretty bad as it stands but this is pure speculation. Mutations can cause more rapid spread, that's true. Speculating that one might be more lethal is ridiculous though.

The faster a disease kills, the less it can spread through the population. Think of a fire, using up all the oxygen in a room, then going out before the window is opened. This is what happens with more lethal diseases- SARS and MERS, if you want covid relatives to compare with.

The real troublesome mutation would be a longer period of wellness while contagious. This is what's happening with Delta- people are contagious sooner after infection and for longer, and it's able to reproduce more quickly causing a higher viral load within the person. That is a good mutation from the virus's side. A mutation that slows it down would not be favored, it would burn out.

It's possible, of course, but not any more probable than a less lethal strain. The only thing likely is that future mutations that become widespread will do so because they are easier to spread. You can already see this happening with Delta arriving, and the dropping of masks by so many people, at the same time.
You're pretending that Covid is a real thing that's developed naturally.
There is no fucking way in the world this will mutate into a doomsday variant via the natural route.

Fucking with vaccines that are potentially leaky at worst and create a "period of wellness" but remain contagious at best, always was fucking retarded and if anything will cause the problem it will be due to vaccines and autistic lockdowns. Masks don't do shit, so let's not gaslight to make a point.

Allowing treatment via the correct protocols would end this "pandemic" overnight. But it's a pandemic of purpose, so it will purposefully be made worse.

You're forgetting the virus is political. Political viruses work differently.
 
Why would a mask that isnt skintight protect much of anything. Coof has always been so infectious that the breath that does escape, and there's some, is enough

The reusable masks are so funny, take it off put it on swing it through the air spreading coof particles if you have any lol

This has always been the reason I never masked. It's absolutely retarded to think that anything less than a CBRN is going to protect you from a virus. The perforations in an N95 mask are roughly a half (0.5) micron in size. The Coronavirus is 0.02-0.5 micron in diameter. On its absolute best day, it's not going to filter out most of the virus, and if it catches any, it might just be pulled through the mask on your next inhale. Even with three layers, you're still getting infected, especially if there's an opening around the entire perimeter of the mask.

When a grand majority of people are just wearing the same unwashed piece of stink-cloth on their faces, every single day, is that supposed to make me feel safer? Nobody wore N95s, even before the mandate lifted. Why would I even bother?

Even N95 is just a crywank of a prop in this fear-theatre. If you gave a shit, you'd be buying the soviets out of their gas masks and purchasing a specific type of can for them.
 
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The perforations in an N95 mask are roughly a half (0.5) micron in size. The Coronavirus is 0.02-0.5 micron in diameter. On its absolute best day, it's not going to filter out most of the virus, and if it catches any, it might just be pulled through the mask on your next inhale.
The N95 (and presumably every other special respirator) is generally also designed to prevent this from happening through the use of electrostatic and van der Waals' forces. That aside, when you breathe in the virus, you're not likely to be breathing in individual virions as much as you're going to be breathing in droplets that glob a collection of microbes, including the virions in question, together.

I think a gas mask would be even more effective, but the problem is that you can't turn those off-- they keep absorbing air until their filters become ineffective, and I don't think anything outside of vacuum-sealing them delays this.

Now, I know Null posted mask advice back in January of last year but for the life of me I don't recall what he recommended.
 
The important thing is that we don't blame China at all for this. The most deadliest strain of Chink Flu is racism.
Of course - maintaining the status quo of depending on a China-centric global supply chain that earns transnational corporations billions is more important than preventing another mass pandemic and supply-chain disruption.
 
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