A Final Solution to the Proving Grounds Problem

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

The only thing I like about proving grounds is that it makes archiving things on a newly made thread easier because threads made there are only accessible to members so we can get working before the subject can DFE.

Otherwise I agree that it doesn't need to exist especially if the OP does their job properly.

 

[Mr. Skeltal]

Never made a thread, but there seems to be a balance regarding OPs that dissuades many people from posting.
Too little info and you're left to your own devices in the thread to figure out why some goober has a thread, too much and it becomes the autistic version of War and Peace about said goober.

All the necessary info about who this person is, what their quirk is (why they have a thread), and major incidents should be catalogued in an OP, with the post being edited from time to time to maintain accurate info.

To me it's perfectly reasonable for a thread on a potential lead to have sparse information; once info shows up, the OP should reflect that in a succinct manner. Canning PG may be good for finding new cows if only because it forces the thread's original poster to sink or swim and do more research if they want a good initial OP.

 

[Elric of Melnibone]

What about splitting the proving grounds into each of the sub catagories of cows. Animal control, beuty parlor, weeb wars, etc keeping the same general restrictions currently on it such as only vetren members being able to see it. Then only the mods of that catagory of cow would be looking at it in order to decide if it has legs. Im mostly going off the idea that if someone is already active enough to be amod of one catagory or another then they probably have more than a passing intrest in those types of cows. Put a different way, if someone is an active user in only the animal control catagory (gods help them) they probably dont know much or care much about a beuty parlor cow. Im just spit balling and this may have already been suggested or tried before.

 

[DragoonSierra]

@Null How about a voting system on whether the Op is good enough and actively promote new proving ground threads that are ready to vote on on the front page

 

[gh0stzero]

Stop all new threads, no new threads can ever be created starting Jan 1st 2020 and we just keep milking the same lolcows even after they are literally dead.

 

[Next Task]

I voted option 2 but I do like the 48 hours of containment before coming out of PG idea. I've read a number of PG threads on promising cows where the OP puts their effort in, and there's some constructive criticism, OP updates the post to include more information and/or make the OP more readable ... and then it just stays in PG, never going anywhere.

People like Adrian Harrop, Saira Rao, smug_legend, all with strong thread potential, the OPs went through the improvement process, but it didn't result in getting the thread moved out of PG. And they might not have been mega-threads, but there's lots of room in the site for smaller, niche lolcows.

So to me, Proving Grounds is a good idea in theory, giving a thread the chance to get more relevant information in before a potential DFE and make sure it's not automatically terrible. But I'd lower the requirements for a thread to graduate onto the main boards drastically - and if it turns out the cow doesn't sustain the attention, then the thread just fades away unless they do something that gets attention, like shooting two cops.

 

[Spergetti]

I voted option 2, but whatever you do make sure that you do it quickly. Making this announcement is going to have a chilling effect on people who want to make new threads, since they're more likely to hold off until the new process is announced and put in place.

 

[Postal_Rat]

Personally I think we should keep the proving grounds and keep the seniority requirements to view them, but have threads move out of there after a week or so, my thinking here being that if nothing else it will make sure that things can be archived before the cow DFE

 

[PlasticOwls]

I don't see the harm in making a big checklist listing out the criteria in what makes for a good lolcow.

After all, a good OP won't do anyone any good if the subject matter has no miIk

 

[The Un-Clit]

You guys are so new at like

Hey pussnuts, there's a big difference between 'trolling' and 'posting stupid 1 sentence word salad and looking like the sped you are'.

Fucking shoelace yourself.

Also,

I voted option 2, but whatever you do make sure that you do it quickly. Making this announcement is going to have a chilling effect on people who want to make new threads, since they're more likely to hold off until the new process is announced and put in place.

As per "Update 1" Null has already lifted all thread restrictions, so new thread cows can be made in Lolcow general any time you like.

 

[Hal]

Option 2. OPs can be awful but the thread content makes up for it. If the thread goes nowhere or is full of autism just nuke it.

I like this one

 

[Imago]

Like any joke if you have to explain the lolcow, they aren't funny. If the cow is good then the OP isn't needed. Most of the threads I follow have terrible out of date OP's but the content makes up for it since they are consistently producing milk.

My ideal OP would cover everything so if a new reader is confused about something, they can find the info in the OP, rather then asking in the thread.

I'd choose option 1 if I thought it would get done, but we could end up with the same problem we have now, with too many tards and not enough wranglers. I think option 2 is more realistic. But, limit thread creation to senior users. If someone has a good lead they can just TTS or PM someone. That should reduce the personal army posts.

 

[Token Weeaboo]

Just so I understand what's going on here; when proving grounds gets removed we can make a thread on any of the places where we believe the lolcow is appropriate (lolcow genera, internetfamous, animal watch) to be at?

 

[Null]

Just so I understand what's going on here; when proving grounds gets removed we can make a thread on any of the places where we believe the lolcow is appropriate (lolcow genera, internetfamous, animal watch) to be at?

I've already made it so you can post new threads immediately to the board.

The big concern is a lack of archiving but I don't really know what to do about that beyond the education I've already put out there.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

but I've noticed many great threads only become great once the cow in question takes notice of it and starts engaging

Yes and no, a lot of the lolcows are up to defend themselves until they die. Whenever be wildly reacting to it by arguing everyone here or on other sites, trying to prove a point when there's no need, or causing random dmca/lolsuits which usually won't ever hold up properly.

But a small portion are more self-aware of what is happening and keep themselves massively on the downlow to avoid calling unwanted eyes and ears or attention on them. This is them either wanting to be alone or keeping on their same predatory behavior (hell, could be both). Depends on what they're currently doing.

Not every great thread will be a goldmine if your lolcow is basically hiding and giving nothing of value.

Also, option 2.

 

[Cryonic Haunted Bullets]

I think that we ought to keep PG in a limited form for doing initial research on cows without them being aware.

 

[Pop-Tart]

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/sarah-louise-helen-rolls.63920/

Maybe limit thread creation to threads atleast 1 month old or something.

 

[queerape]

I agree it's unfair to the users of the site that if a threat makes it past PG is dependent on one or two people's opinions. Not that Ride and Zed were doing a bad job of it, but they have preferences on what makes a good thread; as something highly subjective I would expect plenty of other users have other equally tenable ideas. A lot of good posts never made it past PG for this reason, and PG keeps a lot of cows that make a lot of content fast get left behind because by the time the thread is approved it's already out of date.

I think we should let users post on the threads, and if the commentators don't think a cow is lulzy enough to warrant a thread or OP needs to provide more info, they can make that known, and if a thread is really shittier then they can make that known and the mods can delete it. A good meet-in-the middle could be to have people submit threads to the forums directly, but have the moderators of that particular board approve the thread based on if it's obvious shitpost or not. That way it weeds out shitposts and spam but there isn't the backlog of one PG for all the forums.

 

[jenffer a jay]

is everthing ok with with my page

 

[j666]

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