A Friend's Predicament

[Marvin]

I think it's pretty unlikely to happen to Chris. The requirements, at least in Virginia, for assigning a state appointed guardianship are pretty high. Plus, someone would need to submit a petition to get the process going, and I don't think there's anyone around Chris who would do that.

Is Rocky completely 100% out of the picture now? I know Chris blew her off when he thought she'd stopped being useful but stayed with Chris for a long time and through quite a number of situations. I remember reading she was even aware of Chris going incognito amongst the trolls and getting them to suggest he rape her.

Chris also mentioned in a Tweet Rocky was helping him sort out some place to stay after his mother passed. Is it possible Rocky could submit the petition?

Oh, no, regardless of whatever obnoxious shit Chris says to her, it doesn't seem like she'll leave him. She's still there, asspatting him. Although I don't know how often he sees her IRL, because of Barb.

I don't think Rocky would think that Chris is retarded enough to justify submitting the necessary petition to get him a guardian, especially against his wishes.

Anyway, I guess we'll never know until after Barb is gone. If Chris is smart, he'll sell the house for whatever he can get for it, and use the money to rent a 1 bedroom apartment in Charlottsville. He should get enough for a few years rent at least. Also, if he lived in Charlottsville, he could get rid of the car (and the additional expense of insurance, gas, and maintenance) and take public transportation. Ideally, he should look for a job as well but..... we know how well that's likely to work out.

Yeah, an intelligent person in Chris' situation would definitely have options. But of course, Chris isn't even remotely close to intelligent.

 

[DangDirtyTrolls]

I don't think Rocky would think that Chris is retarded enough to justify submitting the necessary petition to get him a guardian, especially against his wishes.

It wouldn't be the first time she went against the Chandler family's own wishes though, such as when she told the police about Ivy despite Bob not wanting to get the police involved in the matter. It's hard to judge someone through at best second-hand accounts but given her position and actions I'd reckon she has a righteous streak to her that means she'll act without permission or even against the request of those she's helping because she believes she's 'doing the right thing' (and no doubt getting in good with GodBearJesus for doing so)

 

[Marvin]

I don't think Rocky would think that Chris is retarded enough to justify submitting the necessary petition to get him a guardian, especially against his wishes.

It wouldn't be the first time she went against the Chandler family's own wishes though, such as when she told the police about Ivy despite Bob not wanting to get the police involved in the matter. It's hard to judge someone through at best second-hand accounts but given her position and actions I'd reckon she has a righteous streak to her that means she'll act without permission or even against the request of those she's helping because she believes she's 'doing the right thing' (and no doubt getting in good with GodBearJesus for doing so)

She doesn't care about the Chandlers, but she cares about Chris. Or she likes to act like she cares about Chris. Something like that, anyway.

 

[Da Pickle Monsta]

No, they only do that sort of thing for drooling morons here. Chris is eccentric, but not even remotely close to the levels required that they'd declare him a ward of the state.

Actually, given that it's unlikely that any of Chris's surviving relatives would take him in, it's possible that he could be given a state-appointed guardian. I worked with one such individual last year, when I did a short stint as a 'Direct Care Provider'. If you met her, you'd understand why none of her relatives wanted to take her in.

This individual was very similar to Chris, self-absorbed, narcissistic, and loved playing the victim. She was in her early 30s and had physical and psychological issues which were the result of a serious auto accident. (She wasn't crippled and she wasn't retarded. ) Still, she was significantly higher-functioning than Chris . She lived alone in a state-subsidized apartment, did her own shopping, cooking, and laundry and got herself around via public transportation. Like Chris she had an enormous sense of entitlement and chose to play the disability card when it suited her. She started kicking up a fuss when her program funding got reduced and she was told that she would either have to get a job to supplement her disability income or enter into a vocational training program (which would help her to get a job). The most significant difference between her and Chris is that she was much better about her personal hygiene and kept her apartment neat and uncluttered. Despite all of this, she had a guardian appointed by the state.

Anyway, to get to my point; I don't know how such laws work in Virginia, but I wouldn't say that a state-appointed guardian is out of the question. It's quite obvious that Chris doesn't have the emotional maturity to be able to manage his own affairs and live independently, even if he has managed to acquire some rudimentary skills with paying the household bills. That alone isn't going to be enough.

I don't seen even this happening to Chris. Chris would have to be reported to adult protective services first, and then actually agree to have a caretaker. Which he needs, but his ego isn't going to let him make that call.

Chris would have to be declared legally incompetent to care for himself if the prospect of an institution came into play, and the only way that could happen is if he demonstrated to be a harm to himself or others as well as meeting the criteria set forth by the DSM-V. If he were to walk into a McDonald's and try to hack off his own hand while screaming about the trolls living in his veins, then there'd be a reason for him to be institutionalized. However, Chris is still too egocentric and sane for any meaningful help to come his way.

 

[Thetan]

I don't seen even this happening to Chris. Chris would have to be reported to adult protective services first, and then actually agree to have a caretaker. Which he needs, but his ego isn't going to let him make that call.

Chris would have to be declared legally incompetent to care for himself if the prospect of an institution came into play, and the only way that could happen is if he demonstrated to be a harm to himself or others as well as meeting the criteria set forth by the DSM-V. If he were to walk into a McDonald's and try to hack off his own hand while screaming about the trolls living in his veins, then there'd be a reason for him to be institutionalized. However, Chris is still too egocentric and sane for any meaningful help to come his way.

Still you never know what Chris might agree to if he gets desperate enough. Once the money runs out and he's faced with the very real prospect of being booted out into the street, he may warm up to the idea of a state-appointed guardian and subsidized or free housing. It's not like Anna is going to ask him to move in with her.

Still, as Marvin pointed out, there's a question as to whether or not he'd meet the criteria set by the state of VA. Then again, if Chris were to become a public nuisance: that could alter the way the state views his eligibility. Who knows what kind of trouble he could get into, left completely to his own devices?

 

[Da Pickle Monsta]

Still you never know what Chris might agree to if he gets desperate enough. Once the money runs out and he's faced with the very real prospect of being booted out into the street, he may warm up to the idea of a state-appointed guardian and subsidized or free housing. It's not like Anna is going to ask him to move in with her.

I could see Chris getting on board with this only if his caregiver was a pretty gal-pal and not a fart-minded jerk. And that would only last as long as she gave him ass-pats. Chris would be wanting her to bug off and leave him alone the first time she tried to get him to spend the tugboat on bills, cook a meal for himself, or do his own laundry.

 

[qld]

Still you never know what Chris might agree to if he gets desperate enough. Once the money runs out and he's faced with the very real prospect of being booted out into the street, he may warm up to the idea of a state-appointed guardian and subsidized or free housing. It's not like Anna is going to ask him to move in with her.

I could see Chris getting on board with this only if his caregiver was a pretty gal-pal and not a fart-minded jerk. And that would only last as long as she gave him ass-pats. Chris would be wanting her to bug off and leave him alone the first time she tried to get him to spend the tugboat on bills, cook a meal for himself, or do his own laundry.

But didn't Borb take his money to pay his credit cards/rent/utilities? He's lost his money before. Granted, he paid those supposedly, but I'm sure Borb still paid to feed him and his utilities. I think cooking meals can still consist of eating out, going to food kitchens and whatever he can conjure up in the microwave. Plus, he'd probably be able to get some food stamps, if he's not on them already. Laundry's not essential. If he wants to sit around in , who's going to say he can't?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Brother, Chris will be in trouble when the tax guy comes after him. Especially if it is Irwin R. Schyster

 

[CatParty]

Brother, Chris will be in trouble when the tax guy comes after him. Especially if it is Irwin R. Schyster

then he's gotta watch out for

 

[Lil]

Basically as sad as it is to think, Chris is probably going to end up homeless. He won't be able to deal with her death or the legal stuff that comes with it. He's going to wander the streets of Ruckersville unless someone intervenes to help him.

 

[BurtyDrappedCreifs]

Laundry's not essential. If he wants to sit around in , who's going to say he can't?

Biology says he can't, unless he wants to end up with holey buttocks of his own.

Basically as sad as it is to think, Chris is probably going to end up homeless. He won't be able to deal with her death or the legal stuff that comes with it. He's going to wander the streets of Ruckersville unless someone intervenes to help him.

Then the big question for us all is, will it be -y of us to not feel sad about it? It's not like we could do anything to prevent it, and those who have attempted to get him off that path to ruin have been stubbornly rejected by him because he refuses to adapt. Even the Spirits of Christmas would have failed to make Chris change his ways. Chris insisted on this self-destructive lifestyle because of his own stubbornness and huge ego, and he'd only have himself to blame when the obviously inevitable happens (although I'm sure he'll blame everyone and everything BUT himself).

I won't celebrate the event, but I just don't see myself bawling about it either. You cannot save those who refuse help.

 

[Kosher Dill]

I doubt he'd be homeless. If he got kicked out of 14BC, the bank or whoever would just put a lock on the front door and leave that Superfund site well alone. Chris could easily break back in by tossing one of the larger lawn hoard items at a window, and no one would notice.

 

[Mr. 0]

He could, but then he'll remember that that shit's illegal, realize doing so will likely result in another encounter with the jerkops and shit his pants on the splot.

 

[OliveOil_Med]

I'm hoping before Chris faces the possibility of living on the streets, either social services will step in or one of his relatives will apply for guardianship. And applying for guardianship doesn't mean that they have to allow Chris into their home, but they will have the right to place him in a group home and force him to get medical treatment and counseling. In my group home, there were quite a few clients who would refuse their medication and lock themselves in their rooms all day, but the program director would work out a program with the guardian to determine just how much authority the group home had with enforcing the guardians wishes and what consequences could be put in place if the client refuses to comply.

Such as, if Chris doesn't want to get a job, even in a sheltered workshop for the disabled, the PS3 and the Nintendo gets locked in the office until he does, as long as his guardian says it's okay.

In fact, a long distance guardian might be the best option. The home could reach them easily through phone or email, and the guardian would not have to cave under Chris's constant whining.

 

[Donald Duck]

Well considering that Chris really wouldn't know what to do and seems to completely hate/distrust the police, say when the inevitable does happen and Barb croaks, do any of you think it's at all likely that Chris may just end up NOT reporting her death to anyone? I've read of stories where some people don't report the deaths of their spouses or parents in order to continue collecting their pension, social security, or whatever, especially if the deceased was the primary provider. Would Chris be capable of doing something like that?

 

[Marvin]

Well considering that Chris really wouldn't know what to do and seems to completely hate/distrust the police, say when the inevitable does happen and Barb croaks, do any of you think it's at all likely that Chris may just end up NOT reporting her death to anyone? I've read of stories where some people don't report the deaths of their spouses or parents in order to continue collecting their pension, social security, or whatever, especially if the deceased was the primary provider. Would Chris be capable of doing something like that?

He'd probably tell Rocky.

 

[DangDirtyTrolls]

Such as, if Chris doesn't want to get a job, even in a sheltered workshop for the disabled, the PS3 and the Nintendo gets locked in the office until he does, as long as his guardian says it's okay.

Given Chris' past actions I'd be willing to bet this would be met with a repeat of his time in jail, ie kicking and screaming like a toddler until he gets what he wants. Chris is a stubborn prick and has issues with authority figures. If the almighty Chris doesn't recognise your authority then he takes it as cart blanche to completely ignore you and act up all he wants.

The fact that he thought shouting and kicking the door would get him his way in jail really says all you need to know.

 

[Springblossom]

Well considering that Chris really wouldn't know what to do and seems to completely hate/distrust the police, say when the inevitable does happen and Barb croaks, do any of you think it's at all likely that Chris may just end up NOT reporting her death to anyone? I've read of stories where some people don't report the deaths of their spouses or parents in order to continue collecting their pension, social security, or whatever, especially if the deceased was the primary provider. Would Chris be capable of doing something like that?

I don't think Chris is smart enough to do that. He probably doesn't even think about it as a possibility, and I doubt he's cold enough to go through with it.

If something serious happens to Barb, Chris is going to revert back to a child, calling 911 and crying and screaming.

 

[OliveOil_Med]

Given Chris' past actions I'd be willing to bet this would be met with a repeat of his time in jail, ie kicking and screaming like a toddler until he gets what he wants. Chris is a stubborn prick and has issues with authority figures. If the almighty Chris doesn't recognise your authority then he takes it as cart blanche to completely ignore you and act up all he wants.

I can recall a few instances very much like that at the home. It doesn't matter if Chris doesn't recognize staffs authority. It's not going to get the vidya out of the confiscation closet.

 

[DangDirtyTrolls]

I can recall a few instances very much like that at the home. It doesn't matter if Chris doesn't recognize staffs authority. It's not going to get the vidya out of the confiscation closet.

Oh I didn't mean that the staff would eventually relent, rather I'm not so sure Chris would relent. He's not the sort to think "OK well I'm clearly not going to get my way, maybe I should just calm down and do what they're asking of me to get my stuff back"

If he was, he wouldn't be Our Pet Lolcow