Abortion is good. - While bad for the family, it's ultimately positive for society.

[Whatevermancer]

lol

 

[Mad_Dog]

The sole function of a uterus is to carry a baby, so, teleologically, the primary purpose of sexual relations is reproduction. The secondary purpose is the strengthening of the couple's bond.

Biologists agree that life begins at fertilization[1], therefore, a fetus is biologically classified as human at that very moment. The term "fetus" simply describes a stage of human development, much like "infant," "teen," or "adult." It doesn’t change the essence of what it is: a living human being.

Viability isn't a measure of personhood either, since a newborn is not viable nor is it self-sufficient. It is helpless and would quickly perish without its caregivers, but it is considered to be a person.

Human life has inherent value and dignity, which is tied to the very nature of human life, it doesn't depend on what one can do, one's independence, development stage, external conditions, or origins. No human life can be worth more or less than any other human life. Having committed no fault of its own and bearing no guilt, a fetus is always innocent. Therefore, taking an innocent life is the highest possible affront to the equal value and dignity shared by all members of the human species, because it unjustly deprives someone of their future, their potential, and their place in society.

There are no unplanned pregnancies, pregnancy is planned from the moment both partners engage in the practice that leads to it. The moment a couple engages in the only practice whose primary function is to facilitate pregnancy, PIV sex, the female partner implicitly forfeits her right to bodily autonomy. The mother is no longer responsible solely for herself, but also for the unique human life within her, and the father is no longer responsible solely for himself but also for the mother and the well-being of their child. Both parents now have the duty to protect the new life they have willingly created together.

Edge cases like poverty, illness, or rape do not diminish human dignity. If they did, we would have to accept the horrifying idea that killing the poor or the disabled could be justified. And in cases of rape, the unborn child should not be punished for the crimes of its father. Only extreme medical emergencies, such as the mother being in life-threatening danger, should an abortion be considered. Any other case where the mother and child could have survived makes the argument for abortion void.

Protection of innocent human life isn't just a matter of personal belief or religion, it's a matter of respecting human dignity and the inherent value of life. It follows, therefore, that engaging in PIV sex should ideally be confined to couples, in a committed relationship, who are in a position to raise a child properly. This situation is becoming increasingly rare and difficult to attain in our modern society, yet unrestricted sex is being promoted and encouraged at an all-time high.

Engaging in sexual relations when you are not able to ensure the well-being of the potential child is reckless, and killing it is down right abhorrent.

To prevent such tragedy, society itself should be centered around supporting motherhood. Period. As long as motherhood isn't the center of our entire system, we are all guilty of the shedding of innocent blood.

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TL;DR: A fetus is biologically human from fertilization, it has inherent value and a moral right to life. Parents have the duty to protect this life, and abortion betrays this sacred responsibility by unjustly ending an innocent life. Therefore, abortion is morally wrong.

 

[Mad_Dog]

Extinction is our future.

I mean, we can always mass import thirdies who spawn dozens of their own kind and destroy our entire civilization and culture for quick and easy access to cheap labor instead of promoting healthy long-term natalist policies that will ensure the development of the most viable, innovative, and productive society in the history of mankind.

 

[ChefBourgeoisie]

I mean, we can always mass import thirdies who spawn dozens of their own kind and

But you can't. The thirdies all have sub-replacement fertility, outside of a few nations in central Africa. They have the same problem, there won't be surplus third-worlders soon enough. Even those African countries are on a sharp downward trend... they'll be sub-replacement within 30 years max.

There is no substitute for (at minimum) replacement-level fertility. You can't buy it or fake it or do without it. On /pol/ I'd have jackasses coming out of the woodwork screaming that I was a jew, and that I'm trying to make excuses for immigration. But listen carefully... immigration can't fix this. My warnings are sincere, and somehow I hope we fix this. But the math is really fucking bleak.

 

[RandomTwitterGuy]

My favorit is that retarded bitch from texas that was a pro-life and died screaming in pain because there was something wrong the the fetus and they could not help her becaus of the laws. Killing her and the kid.

That shits funny.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

The people who say this shit have always lived the most sheltered, ridiculously easy lives. The vast majority of human beings for all of history have been 'destitute'. Hardship makes you stronger and makes it easier for you to bear your burdens. I've known kids who grew up in foster care, in abject poverty, in really shitty situations. It's driven them to survive, none of them mope around about the 'injustice of being born'. The only people I ever hear talk like this are bougie brats, brats who are so fixated on their own suffering that the mildest inconvenience grows to colossal proportions in their own mind.

counterpoint: childhood trauma and abuse is a nightmare that ingrains itself into your very being

 

[Mad_Dog]

The thirdies all have sub-replacement fertility, outside of a few nations in central Africa.

That's why my country mainly imports central and western Africans, you see the big mamas walking around with two or three kids walking alongside them, a baby on the back and one in the oven. And those are only the ones you see, her other grown kids might be at school or enriching our country. North African Arabs are the same, except they use a stroller or double stroller, instead of wrapping a kid around their back with a piece of fabric. I can assure you, replacement levels are met. If you've ever been to African, you know you young the population is over there.

 

[Space_Dandy]

Interesting discussion so far, I see a lot of valid points. I'll give you a genuine answer as a parent.

That child doesn't know what anything is, but it knows it's in this void where nothing makes sense. A rush of stimuli with no context. But one universal thing is the sound of its mother's voice in the womb, her heartbeat, her breathing feels safe, feels like home.

Separated away, the child cries out not knowing what is happening. Birth trauma, the biting cold of the open air against soft tender skin. This child will either find comfort in his mother, and slowly learn to accept this cold harsh outside world. Or will face cruelty at his most vulnerable point, his plea for comfort rebuffed. Refused. Rejected.

The first lesson a baby learns is trust. Failure to learn trust is so impactful that the entire trajectory of the person's life is affected. The loved and the neglected.

The thought of this innocent, vulnerable new life begging and desperately needing love, and being met with brutal violence is abhorrent. I can't even joke about it anymore.

Have some empathy. It's what separates us from the animals.

 

[Rekieta’s Broken Penis]

I grew up next to an orphanage and those kids sucked. They were all consistently sad and bitter. Most became homeless drug addicts almost immediately out of high-school. But all of them have a chip on their shoulder that negatively affects them still.

Sounds like the common denominator is having to live next to you.

 

[Taser Confetti]

Every single pro-life argument revolves around muh feels and ignores the positive impact it has on racial demographics and crime statistics. States can't properly staff prisons as it is - imagine what happens when sheboons don't have access to abortions. If you're not adopting crack baby niglets and volunteering at your local prison you're being a virtue signalling hypocrite.

>Muh partial birth abortion

If you believe twenty-something white sluts are 7 months into a pregnancy and decided to get an abortion because they can't adult tonight and miss girls night out you're either deluded by incel or evangelical propaganda (or both). They've picked a name for the kid and painted a bedroom. That's happening because the doctors have discovered the child is coming out a deformed monster that won't survive anyways or will kill the mother in the process.

 

[CornBogFitz]

so refreshing a person who believes in abortion and isn’t lying to themselves about it being murder to cope or saying it’s murder to piss people of. Finally an honest discussion can be had! Allow me to retort.

I agree abortion is murder

Murder can be justified but not if no crime has been committed

Not every life has equal value but facing life is what gives it the value. To make a judgment before one is given a chance is unjust

Number 4 really is a retarded argument. I’ve heard it so much. Essentially saying “I would rather kill myself than be poor” newsflash! For 99% of human history 99% of humanity has grown up with what you would call “being poor” now only that we live in a land of flashing lights and fast food drive throughs are people redefining what “luxury” is. Inconvenience isn’t an excuse for murder.

Culling isn’t a new practice. Neither is rape.

If abortion is good for society Jews wouldn’t support it.